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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jan 24, 2023 12:58:58 GMT -5
Mondesi tore his ACL early last year. Anyone know what his recovery timeline is looking like? Assuming it was just the ACL, pretty good. I've worked with athletes and patients who generally have been cleared for noncontact sports by their surgeons at this point in their protocols.
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Post by terriblehondo on Jan 24, 2023 13:00:06 GMT -5
I like the deal. Josh Taylor with a bad back for an almost always injured Mondesi and a PTBNL. Gives the Sox another middle infielder which they needed badly and who knows maybe Mondesi stays healthy. I wasn't expecting much out of Taylor anyways.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jan 24, 2023 13:01:05 GMT -5
OK, we have our backup middle infielder now. This is a good fit for the need. Mondesi may enable some late inning defensive moves in close games with a lead. I like it. There goes my Valdez playing the most games at 2B vote down the tube though
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 24, 2023 13:02:39 GMT -5
I don’t love this deal but it could be a lot worse. I’m mainly worried about bad trades or failing to stay under the cap again at this point.
I liked Taylor, and Bloom is selling low on him with several years control left, like he did with Benintendi. That being said Taylor is 30 and he is also buying low on Mondesi.
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Post by notstarboard on Jan 24, 2023 13:07:34 GMT -5
OK, we have our backup middle infielder now. This is a good fit for the need. Mondesi may enable some late inning defensive moves in close games with a lead. I like it. There goes my Valdez playing the most games at 2B vote down the tube though I'm honestly not sure if we should expect him to be a backup. If we get the 2018-2021 version of Mondesi, the best alignment is probably for him to start at SS when healthy. I could see Hernandez moving a lot; he could get time at 2B/SS/CF and play most days. Arroyo would start at 2B a lot of the time and Duvall would start in CF a lot of the time. I'm sure before long injury or underperformance will give Kiké more of a stable home, but until then I think this is the best option.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 24, 2023 13:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jan 24, 2023 13:09:47 GMT -5
Kinda surprised we’re the ones getting the cash/PTBNL, I’ll take it!
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2023 13:10:53 GMT -5
I'm not going to say Mondesi is the epitome of health but looking at his fangraphs page, he played 102 games at age 23 in 2019 and 59 at age 24 in 2020 during the shortened year. 2021 just 35 games and last year just 15. His injury last year as has been pointed out was a torn ACL, which from experience can happen to anyone and is more of a freak injury than something I would really fault him for being "injury prone". Not saying he's going to play 140+ games this year but I don't know, perhaps I'm crazy but I don't really know that I would consider him some crazy injury risk?
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Post by incandenza on Jan 24, 2023 13:13:52 GMT -5
OK, we have our backup middle infielder now. This is a good fit for the need. Mondesi may enable some late inning defensive moves in close games with a lead. I like it. There goes my Valdez playing the most games at 2B vote down the tube though I'm honestly not sure if we should expect him to be a backup. If we get the 2018-2021 version of Mondesi, the best alignment is probably for him to start at SS when healthy. I could see Hernandez moving a lot; he could get time at 2B/SS/CF and play most days. Arroyo would start at 2B a lot of the time and Duvall would start in CF a lot of the time. I'm sure before long injury or underperformance will give Kiké more of a stable home, but until then I think this is the best option. I very much like retaining the possibility of playing Kiké in CF and Duvall in RF on days when they want to go with a strong outfield defensive alignment and/or Verdugo or Yoshida are injured or need a day off against a lefty.
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Post by levi on Jan 24, 2023 13:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jan 24, 2023 13:17:15 GMT -5
Nice seasons 2018-2020. Last two years fall off, injury effects. Still young at 27. Agree, it is KMart blue lighting again. We really are taking on Rays-like attributes. Oh man, I guess you haven't heard - we extended Devers on an 11/330 deal! Excited to share the good news with you!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 24, 2023 13:18:39 GMT -5
it makes sense because they need infield help and have good relief depth. I am not going to get too excited about projecting what kind of player he will be, there is too much unknown. Just hope he can make an impact and pray for the proverbial last year before FA luck.
Does this effect Duran playing spot ? seems a bit redundant with the tools and position needs of both (although obviously he plays more positions). it isn't ideal to have 2 position players with questionable hit tools, either. On the other hand, if they both get on.....double steal time fellas !! Old skool baseball is back !!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 24, 2023 13:19:16 GMT -5
More dumpster diving…..can’t say I’m shocked. Are you saying this as a lost Royals fan? If so, then ya, I see your frustrations. At least you've got Chapman!
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Post by wingman478 on Jan 24, 2023 13:20:20 GMT -5
If Taylor is healthy he's pretty good. Now they need a lefty. They better sign Will Smith or Chafin I like Sherriff but am not comfortable with just Sherriff and Rodriguez as lefty options. Mondesi, I'm not too high on. He has no plate discipline. So is Kiké the regular SS or does he bounce back and forth? Chris Martin probably getting the high leverage LHB late in games since he's a reverse split guy. As weird as that might look. Rodriguez getting the lower leverage LHB innings. Paxton might end up in the bullpen and/or Brandon Walter might be in the bullpen later in the year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 24, 2023 13:22:48 GMT -5
Looking at the current 2023 Projected Active roster, I can't recall going into the season with as many question marks, on the mound or with the bat. More than other recent seasons, anything is possible.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 24, 2023 13:24:21 GMT -5
This is a good point re; acquisition cost. Are we even certain that Taylor wouldn't have been next on the DFA list anyways? And Mondesi is cheaper $ wise than Andrus or Iglesias likely will be. We can be fairly certain that Taylor was not going to be the next DFA player. He just had his contract guaranteed by the Red Sox (who know who the next DFA player will be). Agree; it's a cheaper way to get a utility middle infielder.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 13:24:48 GMT -5
Frustrated after having Xander. Accepting the new reality, this isn't awful. Outside chance he hits enough to be a regular allowing Kiké to play CF. Posters Offers fair insurance of injury to Kiké and Arroyo. If they go over the LT at this point I will lose my mind after missing out on all the big names this off-season.
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Post by manfred on Jan 24, 2023 13:26:51 GMT -5
I like it!
I’ve never been a Taylor fan, and Mondesi is a former huge prospect. If he gets it together, he could be really good. If not… oh well. Worth a chance.
Try as I might, I cannot see anything wrong with this.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 13:29:45 GMT -5
This is a good point re; acquisition cost. Are we even certain that Taylor wouldn't have been next on the DFA list anyways? And Mondesi is cheaper $ wise than Andrus or Iglesias likely will be. We can be fairly certain that Taylor was not going to be the next DFA player. He just had his contract guaranteed by the Red Sox (who know who the next DFA player will be). Agree; it's a cheaper way to get a utility middle infielder. I might be misunderstanding something in the process here, but once they didn't non-tender him wasn't he guaranteed a contract? And whether or not they agreed on a number before a hearing it was going to be somewhere around $1M. Honestly I have no idea how it works if they DFA a guy before an arbitration number so maybe you're right.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 24, 2023 13:39:06 GMT -5
Really nice they were able to get Mondesi for a fringe player on the 40 man roster
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Post by wingman478 on Jan 24, 2023 13:42:51 GMT -5
We can be fairly certain that Taylor was not going to be the next DFA player. He just had his contract guaranteed by the Red Sox (who know who the next DFA player will be). Agree; it's a cheaper way to get a utility middle infielder. I might be misunderstanding something in the process here, but once they didn't non-tender him wasn't he guaranteed a contract? And whether or not they agreed on a number before a hearing it was going to be somewhere around $1M. Honestly I have no idea how it works if they DFA a guy before an arbitration number so maybe you're right. From what I've read, the luxury tax hit becomes fully guaranteed once you tender a contract with the new CBA. Versus the last CBA where only a portion was only taken into account with the luxury tax hit if a player gets cut in spring training.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jan 24, 2023 13:43:20 GMT -5
Ehh it keeps Hernandez in CF
But Mondesi is coming off an acl terror and is awful at the plate. I’m In the rather have Andrus crowd.
Basically have all bench players starting up the middle
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 13:46:50 GMT -5
Ehh it keeps Hernandez in CF But Mondesi is coming off an acl terror and is awful at the plate. Iâm In the rather have Andrus crowd. Basically have all bench players starting up the middle I actually think they have four starting caliber players for three spots - Duvall, Arroyo, Kiké and Mondesi (five if you add Story returning). They aren't perfect players, but the issue with literally every one of these guys IMO is an injury concern, not a talent one - they're all 2 WAR or better players when healthy (and playing the right positions).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 24, 2023 13:48:21 GMT -5
Ehh it keeps Hernandez in CF But Mondesi is coming off an acl terror and is awful at the plate. I’m In the rather have Andrus crowd. Basically have all bench players starting up the middle I think it’s more likely Mondesi is a 2B platoon with Arroyo, then occasionally slides over to SS to give Kiké or Duvall a day off.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 24, 2023 13:48:49 GMT -5
This is a good point re; acquisition cost. Are we even certain that Taylor wouldn't have been next on the DFA list anyways? And Mondesi is cheaper $ wise than Andrus or Iglesias likely will be. We can be fairly certain that Taylor was not going to be the next DFA player. He just had his contract guaranteed by the Red Sox (who know who the next DFA player will be). Agree; it's a cheaper way to get a utility middle infielder. While thats true, Taylor was under control for 3 years. We traded him away for one year of control over a guy when we will likely not be competitive for a World Series this year.
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