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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 24, 2023 18:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 24, 2023 18:10:29 GMT -5
Thought this one deserved its own thread.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2023 18:13:00 GMT -5
Uhh what?... Barnes definitely hasn't been great the last year and a half but feel like I'd rather have him in a middle reliever role than brasier. This is a head scratcher.
Best case scenario someone claims him and they get back 6-8M in luxury tax cost to allocate elsewhere? Not sure that's likely or not.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jan 24, 2023 18:13:41 GMT -5
That's pretty shocking. He was owed a decent amount of money and there were other reliever options that seemed worse.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 18:15:11 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a money saving effort. Crazy move.
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Post by radiohix on Jan 24, 2023 18:18:50 GMT -5
Uhh what?... Barnes definitely hasn't been great the last year and a half but feel like I'd rather have him in a middle reliever role than brasier. This is a head scratcher. Brasier throws harder and has an idea where the strike zone is.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 18:23:35 GMT -5
Wow, not sure I get that vs. Brasier. Even if they think Brasier is better how much better could they think he's going to be that it's worth giving up on the 7M AAV difference to try and find out? Barnes wasn't awful in the second half.
I assume they tried to dump his salary already and found no takers, but hopefully someone claims/trades for him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2023 18:24:12 GMT -5
Uhh what?... Barnes definitely hasn't been great the last year and a half but feel like I'd rather have him in a middle reliever role than brasier. This is a head scratcher. Brasier throws harder and has an idea where the strike zone is. I guess but brasier had a 5.78 ERA last year. Sure his Sabr stats like FIP look better than that but I don't know still scratching my head. Not saying getting rid of Barnes is going to hurt them as I don't think it will but still would have gone with Barnes over Brasier myself.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 24, 2023 18:24:28 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a money saving effort. Crazy move. Outside of the ~700k (when another team presumably gives him a MLB contract) the only way I can see the Red Sox saving money is if his 2.25mil buyout (for 2024) is cancelled if he isn't on the 2023 roster...hopefully that's the case. Definitely one of the worst extensions in Red Sox history. He was bad before it even kicked-in. Seemed like a discount at the time.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 18:25:18 GMT -5
Whoa, that wasn't on anybody's radar. He was pretty solid the last two months of the season, although that was after a long stretch of god awful.
I bet Dombrowski trades a bag of baseballs for him and pays a couple million of his salary
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 24, 2023 18:26:53 GMT -5
I wonder if the Red Sox are trying to set a record for most PTBNLs owed at once in MLB history.
Also… is Dalbec not gonna get traded? Seems like there should be more about that coming down the pipe than there has been (I know that’s off topic)
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2023 18:27:34 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a money saving effort. Crazy move. Outside of the ~700k (when another team presumably gives him a MLB contract) the only way I can see the Red Sox saving money is if his 2.25mil buyout (for 2024) is cancelled if he isn't on the 2023 roster...hopefully that's the case. Definitely one of the worst extensions in Red Sox history. He was bad before it even kicked-in. Seemed like a discount at the time. Doesn't seem likely they'll get much savings if any from this outside of the minimum salary, you're probably correct. Guess I'm a little surprised he's got so little value that they couldn't find any takers even if they paid down most of his contract.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 18:29:24 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a money saving effort. Crazy move. Outside of the ~700k (when another team presumably gives him a MLB contract) the only way I can see the Red Sox saving money is if his 2.25mil buyout (for 2024) is cancelled if he isn't on the 2023 roster...hopefully that's the case. Definitely one of the worst extensions in Red Sox history. He was bad before it even kicked-in. Seemed like a discount at the time. But if someone claims off waivers, aren't they responsible for the entire contract and the the league minimal only kicks in if they're released? I'm assuming there's some interest in Barnes.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 24, 2023 18:30:06 GMT -5
Brasier 2022: 9.24 K/9, 1.88 BB/9
Barnes 2022: 7.71 K/9, 4.76 BB/9
Barnes had a career low home run rate (4.3%) and his babip was 2nd lowest of his career (.293) despite a career high (44.9%) HardHit%.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 18:30:23 GMT -5
I guess it's a sunk cost thing: they think he's worse than Brasier and at the very least not a good bet to be better than Ort/Kelly/Mills/German who they have long term control over and can option so eat your losses.
If they're just convinced he's bad it is what it is, but this now guarantees a $9M dead money spot on the payroll unless someone eats some of it in a trade or he's claimed somehow and that hurts. Have to think the Red Sox felt like he was a dead spot on the payroll no matter whether he played or was cut.
If someone does take his salary or even half of it honestly that's a great outcome for the team.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 24, 2023 18:32:13 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a money saving effort. Crazy move. Outside of the ~700k (when another team presumably gives him a MLB contract) the only way I can see the Red Sox saving money is if his 2.25mil buyout (for 2024) is cancelled if he isn't on the 2023 roster...hopefully that's the case. Definitely one of the worst extensions in Red Sox history. He was bad before it even kicked-in. Seemed like a discount at the time. Bloom made the mistake of extending at his peak and thinking it was a bargain. It was risky given Barnes up and down career. Remember when Barnes got off to a great minor league start. Had high hopes. It appeared at times, but I am fine with this move. His time had come.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 24, 2023 18:32:40 GMT -5
Red Sox make the Duvall signing official. Barnes DFA was the corresponding move.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 24, 2023 18:32:53 GMT -5
Outside of the ~700k (when another team presumably gives him a MLB contract) the only way I can see the Red Sox saving money is if his 2.25mil buyout (for 2024) is cancelled if he isn't on the 2023 roster...hopefully that's the case. Definitely one of the worst extensions in Red Sox history. He was bad before it even kicked-in. Seemed like a discount at the time. But if someone claims off waivers, aren't they responsible for the entire contract and the the league minimal only kicks in if they're released? I'm assuming there's some interest in Barnes. Yeah - it's possible. In all likelihood Red Sox already offered to move him while paying down his contract, as mentioned by ematz. Maybe they get lucky and a couple of teams are interested and one pays 1-2mil in order to get first dibs. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 18:33:41 GMT -5
According to my extremely official personal spreadsheet, Matt Barnes finishes as the 7th best reliever in team history, behind Papelbon, Radatz, Stanley, Koji, Kimbrel and Burgmeier.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 24, 2023 18:35:37 GMT -5
Red Sox make the Duvall signing official. Barnes DFA was the corresponding move. that is an awful expensive corresponding move, it isn't ideal for salary purposes.
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Post by wingman478 on Jan 24, 2023 18:36:05 GMT -5
Thinking there's a trade in the works, but maybe not since he's owed a bunch of money.
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Post by cdj on Jan 24, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
Hell of a ride, Barnes. Thanks for the years!
Weird move, def didn’t see it coming. Maybe they can get a decent non-40 man prospect if they eat his entire salary
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 24, 2023 18:45:25 GMT -5
Senior citizen Barnes. Who had Brasier at #3 and Dalbec at #4 1 Matt Barnes - Draft 9/18/14 7.50 8.00 --- --- --- 7.110 2 2 Chris Sale - Trade 12/6/16 27.50 27.50 20.00 --- --- 12.061 3 3 Rafael Devers - IFA 7/24/17 17.50 27.50 27.50 27.50 31.00 6.070 3 4 Ryan Brasier - MLFA 7/8/18 2.00 --- --- --- --- 5.109 0 5 Josh Taylor - Trade 11/20/18 1.03 arb arb --- --- 3.121 2 6 Bobby Dalbec - Draft 11/20/19 min arb arb arb --- 2.073 2
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 18:46:01 GMT -5
1 run in 11 1/3rd postseason innings
He was elite the first half of 2021. Don't make the playoffs without him that year.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 24, 2023 18:49:49 GMT -5
Barnes sucks and all but what does Ort have on Chaim Bloom?
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