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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 24, 2023 18:52:21 GMT -5
1 run in 11 1/3rd postseason innings He was elite the first half of 2021. Don't make the playoffs without him that year. dude drove me nuts, though, for many years. LOL.
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Post by orion09 on Jan 24, 2023 18:53:43 GMT -5
If he’s not claimed, can he be outrighted, or does he have enough service time to reject that?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 18:55:23 GMT -5
If he’s not claimed, can he be outrighted, or does he have enough service time to reject that? Only need three years to reject being outrighted
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Post by incandenza on Jan 24, 2023 18:57:20 GMT -5
It's been theorized on this site from time to time that Bloom wouldn't give up on "his guys" in order to save face...
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Post by Guidas on Jan 24, 2023 18:57:22 GMT -5
Wow - did not see this coming. Unless he's injured I personally would've held on to him til the deadline. If he looks solid there could've been a deal to be had in July. Unless of course he's solid and the Sox are the "contender" that Bloom/Kennedy/Henry claim they are. Either way, it's a sunk cost so why not DFA Ort or Braiser? It's a stunning move. Someone will grab him. He seems like a perfect Houston "fixed him with just one little tweak and now he's awesome" player.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 24, 2023 19:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by bosoxnation on Jan 24, 2023 19:01:08 GMT -5
I think all of RSN is shocked it isn't Braiser. They must know something we don't.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 19:02:48 GMT -5
Wow - did not see this coming. Unless he's injured I personally would've held on to him til the deadline. If he looks solid there could've been a deal to be had in July. Unless of course he's solid and the Sox are the "contender" that Bloom/Kennedy/Henry claim they are. Either way, it's a sunk cost so why not DFA Ort or Braiser? It's a stunning move. Someone will grab him. He seems like a perfect Houston "fixed him with just one little tweak and now he's awesome" player. Why not Ort is probably because they think he's about as good and he comes with years of team control. Why not Brasier is they must just think Brasier is better (though I agree, from what we know I would have DFA'd Brasier first - or not agreed to an arb salary with him).
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jan 24, 2023 19:06:25 GMT -5
Sad to see Barnes go. My thought is that he will be claimed leading to a trade that enables the Sox to move maybe up to 1/2 of his contract.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 24, 2023 19:07:58 GMT -5
I think all of RSN is shocked it isn't Braiser. They must know something we don't. More like Brasier must know something that we don’t.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 24, 2023 19:08:56 GMT -5
I thought Barnes looked a lot better later in the year, so NOW they get rid of him? Over Ort? Over Brasier? Yeah, Brasier throws more strikes - they get hit hard and far.
Don't understand why that's the corresponding move.
So now they've lost Barnes and Taylor, two key guys from the 2021 bullpen. I thought I heard Cora at Winterfest say his plan was Barnesey in the 7th, Martin in the 8th, and Jansen in the 9th. Guess they need a new 7th inning plan. Guess this is great news for Zach Kelly, who I guess now has a real shot at making the pen. So at this point, I'm guessing Houck is in the bullpen with Schreiber, Martin and Jansen as the only guys I start the season trusting? Ah well, it's not like I trusted Barnes at this point anyways. Guess I realy wasn't expecting this. Thought there was a small chance to salvage him based on him pitching better toward the end of last season. Really hope they sign Chafin/Smith, but they can't because they'd have to DFA Ort or Brasier and we can't have that happen.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 24, 2023 19:10:12 GMT -5
As others have stated, this is indeed a head scratcher. Braiser’s peripherals were better last season, but Barnes looked pretty good down the stretch.
The only way I can justify this is that they have some sort of trade lined up or looking for salary space to add a new signing…
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 24, 2023 19:13:01 GMT -5
Sad to see Barnes go. My thought is that he will be claimed leading to a trade that enables the Sox to move maybe up to 1/2 of his contract. That's not how claiming Barnes would work. If someone claims him they take his full salary. If they think there's a strong likelihood he gets claimed for his full salary it wouldn't make sense to trade him and eat money unless they somehow got back an interesting prospect or two which doesn't seem likely.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 19:13:21 GMT -5
The second graphic is interesting. He was getting the highest leverage spots in the 2018 postseason. Didn't remember that.
From a certain perspective, it's a nice story that he managed to secure the bag at the last possible second.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 24, 2023 19:13:57 GMT -5
So now from 2018, the Red Sox have only Rafael Devers (thankfully!!) and......Ryan Brasier? Huh? He's the lone survivor other than Devers? How does that make sense?
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Post by terriblehondo on Jan 24, 2023 19:16:55 GMT -5
So now from 2018, the Red Sox have only Rafael Devers (thankfully!!) and......Ryan Brasier? Huh? He's the lone survivor other than Devers? How does that make sense? Easy to forget but Chris Sale
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 24, 2023 19:17:52 GMT -5
So now from 2018, the Red Sox have only Rafael Devers (thankfully!!) and......Ryan Brasier? Huh? He's the lone survivor other than Devers? How does that make sense? 5 years later not that crazy, the 2022 Astros had almost no repeat contributors from the 2017 champion team outside of Bregman and Altuve, and they had a much stronger farm pipeline in the interim. Add: For a Red Sox example, not much overlap between the 2013 and 2018 WS teams.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 19:18:57 GMT -5
If we get rid of Brasier, we'll have more Dodgers than Red Sox from the 2018 WS.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 24, 2023 19:20:54 GMT -5
So now from 2018, the Red Sox have only Rafael Devers (thankfully!!) and......Ryan Brasier? Huh? He's the lone survivor other than Devers? How does that make sense? Easy to forget but Chris Sale Haha!!! I forgot Chris Sale. Does he still pitch for the Red Sox? lol. Reminds me of the scene in Major League where Jake Taylor crashes his ex-fiance's stuffy party and in a small talk conversation he mentions that he plays for the Indians and the lady says to him, "I didn't even know they still have a team here".
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Post by terriblehondo on Jan 24, 2023 19:25:05 GMT -5
I swear the stats guys were saying late last year how wonderful Barnes had been after he came back from the IL. I guess that must not have been the case or the Sox didn't think it was sustainable.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 24, 2023 19:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 24, 2023 19:35:14 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Jan 24, 2023 19:44:23 GMT -5
Obviously the extension was terrible, but that is done. I actually respect this. Barnes looks like toast, and though I have no love for Brasier, I think he has more in the tank.
Credit to Bloom: the easy path is to DFA someone no one complains about because this concedes the initial error. But he bit the bullet and dropped a guy who is likely done.
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 24, 2023 19:45:00 GMT -5
It's been theorized on this site from time to time that Bloom wouldn't give up on "his guys" in order to save face... If anyone has said that, that's a strange complaint and almost the diametric opposite of the truth, as I can see it. Franchy, Downs, Seabold, the guys from the Moreland trade, Renfroe/JBJ, Diekman...I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 24, 2023 19:54:09 GMT -5
Bloom got himself into trouble with the jeering crowd at Winter Weekend when he kept talking about making "bets" on players. Next year's event should be fun if Barnes spends October shoving for some team.
Bloom (struggling to be heard over the heckling and derisive laughter): "We are going to the mat to win this year. We will not be a doormat. We look forward to rolling out the welcome mat for our fans..."
Strange move, though. I would have thought Brasier represented job security for the other RPs.
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