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Red Sox Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 5, 2023 15:52:25 GMT -5
Believe it or don't, the Red Sox actually won one.
I was in and out so here's some general thoughts...
Kluber looked good but missed the plate more often than he usually does. Shugart with a 4 pitch strikeout when called in with the bases loaded and two outs. Didn't see Bleir Mills looked snakebit but escaped a bases loaded, 1 run in, inning wih a strikeout. Crawford was perfect. Ort was shaky but no runs scored.
I was mostly out when the Sox were at bat but I stuck around to see Rafeala after he made a fantastic catch look routine the inning before. A flyball just in front of the bullpen corner. My opinion is that he's JBJ with routes and jumps but with more speed. In his AB, he took a 3-2 fastball up the middle. The pitcher deflected it but it went for a single. Good plate discipline except, he chased the 4th pitch to even the count at 2-2.
SS Hamilton's double was a sharp liner to right center. Most batters would have settled for a single but he made it to second easily.
Papa Koss' error was an easy ground ball. He did follow it up with a nice AB that ended in a sharp liner that the first baseman made a nice play on.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 5, 2023 16:22:37 GMT -5
Winckowski probably has a decent chance at starting the year in the rotation, if all of Whitlock/Paxton/Bello aren't ready. My guess is Crawford has the edge, but Winck could compete with him for it. I could see them both getting in if they aren't going to use Houck as a pure starter. I think it'll be those two before Mata/Walter. Is the talk that Whitlock, Paxton & Bello aren’t going to be ready to start the season? I figure Paxton is a given, but the other 2? We know Sale is probably not going to contribute much, so this is very troubling if so. The pitching was supposed to be quite a bit deeper this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 5, 2023 16:26:05 GMT -5
Winckowski probably has a decent chance at starting the year in the rotation, if all of Whitlock/Paxton/Bello aren't ready. My guess is Crawford has the edge, but Winck could compete with him for it. I could see them both getting in if they aren't going to use Houck as a pure starter. I think it'll be those two before Mata/Walter. Is the talk that Whitlock, Paxton & Bello aren’t going to be ready to start the season? I figure Paxton is a given, but the other 2? We know Sale is probably not going to contribute much, so this is very troubling if so. The pitching was supposed to be quite a bit deeper this year. All three are expected back soon after the season starts. There's no need for a 5th starter until April 10th. That's what depth is for so I don't see any reason to be troubled.
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Post by costpet on Mar 5, 2023 17:31:48 GMT -5
For some reason, for the first time in my life, I'm paying attention to the time. Today's game officially was played in 2:32 hours. Sometimes I count the seconds in my head between pitches. I've never done that before. A weird way to watch a ball game. Can you imagine a 2:32 game with the MFY's? The pitch clock has certainly changed the game even more than the lowering of the mound back in 1969 or the DH in 1973. Back in the day, most games were under 3 hours. Then things changed. 3/12 to 4 hours became normal. 4 1/2 with the MFYs was a given. I am so glad they changed all that. Get ready to pitch, get ready to hit, let's go. I know the home plate umpire has a lot on his plate, so that extra stuff could be tough. But, all in all, it's working better than anyone imagined. The NFL changes its rules every year to make its game better. MLB takes forever to do anything different. But, it finally happened and so much for the better. I hope NESN puts a clock on the screen so I don't have to do it in my head anymore. lol
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Post by patford on Mar 5, 2023 18:53:06 GMT -5
For some reason, for the first time in my life, I'm paying attention to the time. Today's game officially was played in 2:32 hours. Sometimes I count the seconds in my head between pitches. I've never done that before. A weird way to watch a ball game. Can you imagine a 2:32 game with the MFY's? The pitch clock has certainly changed the game even more than the lowering of the mound back in 1969 or the DH in 1973. Back in the day, most games were under 3 hours. Then things changed. 3/12 to 4 hours became normal. 4 1/2 with the MFYs was a given. I am so glad they changed all that. Get ready to pitch, get ready to hit, let's go. I know the home plate umpire has a lot on his plate, so that extra stuff could be tough. But, all in all, it's working better than anyone imagined. The NFL changes its rules every year to make its game better. MLB takes forever to do anything different. But, it finally happened and so much for the better. I hope NESN puts a clock on the screen so I don't have to do it in my head anymore. lol If MLB could get umpires to call strikes when Yankee after Yankee is standing at the plate with the bat on their shoulder games with them could probably get cut down to two hours.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 5, 2023 20:06:38 GMT -5
Believe it or don't, the Red Sox actually won one. I was in and out so here's some general thoughts... Kluber looked good but missed the plate more often than he usually does. Shugart with a 4 pitch strikeout when called in with the bases loaded and two outs. Didn't see Bleir Mills looked snakebit but escaped a bases loaded, 1 run in, inning wih a strikeout. Crawford was perfect. Ort was shaky but no runs scored. I was mostly out when the Sox were at bat but I stuck around to see Rafeala after he made a fantastic catch look routine the inning before. A flyball just in front of the bullpen corner. My opinion is that he's JBJ with routes and jumps but with more speed. In his AB, he took a 3-2 fastball up the middle. The pitcher deflected it but it went for a single. Good plate discipline except, he chased the 4th pitch to even the count at 2-2. SS Hamilton's double was a sharp liner to right center. Most batters would have settled for a single but he made it to second easily. Papa Koss' error was an easy ground ball. He did follow it up with a nice AB that ended in a sharp liner that the first baseman made a nice play on. I appreciate all these details, but didn’t Hamilton hit a ball over the right fielder’s head that bounced into the bullpen for a ground rule double?
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Post by patford on Mar 5, 2023 20:25:19 GMT -5
I stuck around to see Rafeala after he made a fantastic catch look routine the inning before. A flyball just in front of the bullpen corner. My opinion is that he's JBJ with routes and jumps but with more speed. The thing about JBJ is he made a lot of catches look easy that other CF would have been diving at and his highlight reel catches no one else even got to. If Rafeala is equal or even better it's going to be fun to watch.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Mar 5, 2023 20:28:10 GMT -5
For some reason, for the first time in my life, I'm paying attention to the time. Today's game officially was played in 2:32 hours. Sometimes I count the seconds in my head between pitches. I've never done that before. A weird way to watch a ball game. Can you imagine a 2:32 game with the MFY's? The pitch clock has certainly changed the game even more than the lowering of the mound back in 1969 or the DH in 1973. Back in the day, most games were under 3 hours. Then things changed. 3/12 to 4 hours became normal. 4 1/2 with the MFYs was a given. I am so glad they changed all that. Get ready to pitch, get ready to hit, let's go. I know the home plate umpire has a lot on his plate, so that extra stuff could be tough. But, all in all, it's working better than anyone imagined. The NFL changes its rules every year to make its game better. MLB takes forever to do anything different. But, it finally happened and so much for the better. I hope NESN puts a clock on the screen so I don't have to do it in my head anymore. lolESPN had the pitch clock time displayed during the Sox game v. the Phils on Thursday. That was so helpful ! I wonder, purely that as I have no scientific reasoning behind it, if the pitchers being back in full control may end up having a strain reducing affect on arms. Throwing at a consistent pace/rhythm without hitters forcing delays to throw the pitcher off could help. Hard to measure with there being so many damaged arms already, but Bears watching.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 5, 2023 20:51:17 GMT -5
Seattle and 1 other team can't recall, have the countdown timer clock behind the catcher, or to the left (looking in) which makes it easy for pitchers to see time remaining.
Why all teams did not install something akin to this over the winter is beyond me.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 5, 2023 22:54:13 GMT -5
Seattle and 1 other team can't recall, have the countdown timer clock behind the catcher, or to the left (looking in) which makes it easy for pitchers to see time remaining. Why all teams did not install something akin to this over the winter is beyond me. Got to believe that it will be universal once the season starts. I have tickets at jetBlue for tomorrow's game. Sale is scheduled to pitch...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 5, 2023 23:28:50 GMT -5
Believe it or don't, the Red Sox actually won one. I was in and out so here's some general thoughts... Kluber looked good but missed the plate more often than he usually does. Shugart with a 4 pitch strikeout when called in with the bases loaded and two outs. Didn't see Bleir Mills looked snakebit but escaped a bases loaded, 1 run in, inning wih a strikeout. Crawford was perfect. Ort was shaky but no runs scored. I was mostly out when the Sox were at bat but I stuck around to see Rafeala after he made a fantastic catch look routine the inning before. A flyball just in front of the bullpen corner. My opinion is that he's JBJ with routes and jumps but with more speed. In his AB, he took a 3-2 fastball up the middle. The pitcher deflected it but it went for a single. Good plate discipline except, he chased the 4th pitch to even the count at 2-2. SS Hamilton's double was a sharp liner to right center. Most batters would have settled for a single but he made it to second easily. Papa Koss' error was an easy ground ball. He did follow it up with a nice AB that ended in a sharp liner that the first baseman made a nice play on. I appreciate all these details, but didn’t Hamilton hit a ball over the right fielder’s head that bounced into the bullpen for a ground rule double? You're probably right. Typed all of that off the top of my head after the game. If I recall he was running hard and my thought was single off the bat.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 5, 2023 23:32:40 GMT -5
Seattle and 1 other team can't recall, have the countdown timer clock behind the catcher, or to the left (looking in) which makes it easy for pitchers to see time remaining. Why all teams did not install something akin to this over the winter is beyond me. Also, pitch count shows up in some boxes but not recently for at least the Sox games. It does show up in the graphic but not ball/strike totals.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2023 0:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Mar 6, 2023 0:58:56 GMT -5
Corey Kluber hit 95??? Our Kluber?? The old guy who hasn't thrown that hard since??? Ever
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2023 3:09:51 GMT -5
Corey Kluber hit 95??? Our Kluber?? The old guy who hasn't thrown that hard since??? Ever I've seen multiple tweets that said that but this one tells the whole picture. I can't say how accurate it is though, no radars to go by.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Mar 6, 2023 6:50:38 GMT -5
Seattle and 1 other team can't recall, have the countdown timer clock behind the catcher, or to the left (looking in) which makes it easy for pitchers to see time remaining. Why all teams did not install something akin to this over the winter is beyond me. Got to believe that it will be universal once the season starts. I have tickets at jetBlue for tomorrow's game. Sale is scheduled to pitch... My hope is batters and pitchers get used to the clock enough that violations essentially disappear, so there will no need to put the timer on TV. It’s a desperately needed tool, but it shouldn’t be something fans are paying much attention to, and I don’t think it will be once we all adjust.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 6, 2023 7:35:54 GMT -5
Is the talk that Whitlock, Paxton & Bello aren’t going to be ready to start the season? I figure Paxton is a given, but the other 2? We know Sale is probably not going to contribute much, so this is very troubling if so. The pitching was supposed to be quite a bit deeper this year. All three are expected back soon after the season starts. There's no need for a 5th starter until April 10th. That's what depth is for so I don't see any reason to be troubled. I don't think that is quite right - they play six in a row April 1-6. Although maybe the following is what you mean anyway. I think the idea is that they could get a spot start during that stretch and not need a regular number 5 starter until then. 30 - 1 31 - off 1 - 2 2 - 3 3 - 4 4 - 1 5 - spot 6 - 2 7 - off 8 - 3 9 - 4 10 - 1 11 - 2 12 - last point at which they'd need the fifth starter Alternatively they could throw the spot starter on 4/4 if they want to give whoever gets the opener an extra day. Either way, adding the 5th starter on the 10th to give guys an extra day before their 3rd start feels like what they'd shoot for.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 6, 2023 9:13:07 GMT -5
Got to believe that it will be universal once the season starts. I have tickets at jetBlue for tomorrow's game. Sale is scheduled to pitch... My hope is batters and pitchers get used to the clock enough that violations essentially disappear, so there will no need to put the timer on TV. It’s a desperately needed tool, but it shouldn’t be something fans are paying much attention to, and I don’t think it will be once we all adjust. NESN said the electronic relay from the clock to the booth isn't operational in spring for most stadiums but will be so during the regular season for all stadiums, so it'll pop up and tick down like a Basketball shot clock (likely from 8 seconds).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2023 12:16:01 GMT -5
All three are expected back soon after the season starts. There's no need for a 5th starter until April 10th. That's what depth is for so I don't see any reason to be troubled. I don't think that is quite right - they play six in a row April 1-6. Although maybe the following is what you mean anyway. I think the idea is that they could get a spot start during that stretch and not need a regular number 5 starter until then. 30 - 1 31 - off 1 - 2 2 - 3 3 - 4 4 - 1 5 - spot 6 - 2 7 - off 8 - 3 9 - 4 10 - 1 11 - 2 12 - last point at which they'd need the fifth starter Alternatively they could throw the spot starter on 4/4 if they want to give whoever gets the opener an extra day. Either way, adding the 5th starter on the 10th to give guys an extra day before their 3rd start feels like what they'd shoot for. "IF" they are all healthy, it's going to be interesting to see what they do around the 8th.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Mar 6, 2023 13:16:27 GMT -5
I'm not able to watch today, but would love to hear some first impressions of how Mr. Sale looks
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Post by jphelan on Mar 6, 2023 13:22:40 GMT -5
Justin Turner hit in the face by a pitch- was bleeding alot but walked off the field- hope all is ok.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 6, 2023 13:25:00 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe Justin Turner got hit in the head by a pitch from Matt Manning an is down. He's coming out of the game with a trainer holding a towel on his face.
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2023 13:36:56 GMT -5
Damn Turner was pouring blood. Not pretty. Hopefully he’s ok.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 6, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5
Now Turner.
This team feels cursed. I know they haven't lost yet in spring training, but holy crap.
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Post by manfred on Mar 6, 2023 13:41:31 GMT -5
I hate spring injuries. Ugh.
But… Sale looks like Sale. Might not be anything bigger than that all spring.
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