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Post by dirtdog on Apr 11, 2023 18:32:12 GMT -5
So far this series has been a pre view of what this lineup looks like (minus Duvall) against good pitching. Not looking good.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 11, 2023 18:32:13 GMT -5
Wong looks good defensively tbh, his bat just happens to be worse than Sandy at his worst lol 2 CS love it after running free
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 18:32:43 GMT -5
Wong is checking the game thread and said FU ! LOL. i should of said Wong is not an MLB hitter!!!! He swings at everything.
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Post by greenmonster on Apr 11, 2023 18:33:31 GMT -5
Nice pick by Bobby though looks much better defensively Why is Bobby the only first baseman that ends up flat on his stomach every time he stretches for a throw?
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 18:35:03 GMT -5
Nice pick by Bobby though looks much better defensively Why is Bobby the only first baseman that ends up flat on his stomach every time he stretches for a throw? because he's a 3rd baseman trying to play 1st
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 18:36:28 GMT -5
Right, but that's exactly why it was a good idea not to sign him. The Padres are going down with their boom and bust ship in a couple years and have proven willing to pay guys like 50% more than they're worth in the meantime because they don't care about albatross contracts when they already intend to be rebuilding. If we offered that exact contract we would certainly be better for the next few years, but at the expense of the 2028-2033 squads. In a town like Boston, you can't plan around an Baltimore-length rebuild. And so, you don't sign Bogaerts to that deal. By all means, offer him a 10 year extension at age 25 - the market has shown ample precedent for that as well - but don't let him hit free agency at age 30 and then sign him to an 11 year deal.
Neither Story nor Duvall has been injury prone in their career. Only one of their injuries - Story's elbow - was even a non-contact injury. It's hard to knock Duvall for hurting his wrist diving for a ball or Story for getting hit in the hand with a pitch, since that could happen to anyone no matter how well their body is put together. The "positional battle" doesn't matter much in a vacuum; there are 26 guys on the roster, and you just need to have a better team overall. So, the issue is less that we don't have a more elite SS and more that half of the starting lineup (Hernandez, Turner, Casas, Arroyo) is not hitting anywhere near their potential, which has magnified the importance of losing Duvall. 60% of our rotation (well, now 40%; welcome back Whitlock!) being injured to start the year has hurt a lot too.
The bold is more of my original point. Yes, Bogaert's contract is likely at the expense of some of those seasons but at the same time the team this year is $14M under the cap while giving a 38-year old Justin Turner $11M and a 37-year old Kluber $10M. This team has no apparent objection to throwing money at older, oft-injured players so if they're going to earmark $20M+ every year for those type of players what's the harm in making Bogaerts the player that gets that money in 2031-2033? I get that there's a risk, but if the Red Sox only have 1 of these contracts at any given point in time it's really not the catastrophe that it's being made out to be. It's not like this team is one bad contract away from being the Padres or Mets. This doesn't even take into account that if they had ponied up last offseason when they originally made Bogaerts their "top priority" his contract would likely be a lot closer to the projected 7/$189M and those latter years would barely be a concern. I agree with everything you said here, but my main point is, what's the difference if you're bad now? If Xander hamstrings the team in 6 years and they're bad 3 out of his last 4 or 4 out of their last 5.... that just sounds like where the Red Sox are at now. Inflation will make those contracts more tolerable. Outside of Ohtani next year there's nothing on the horizon to buy their way back into contention so they really need Mayer, York, Casas, Bello, Houck, Whitlock to be above average players or they're not going to be going anywhere any time soon.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 18:36:28 GMT -5
none of these pitches are even close. This is beyond embarrassing.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 11, 2023 18:37:15 GMT -5
Yoshida needs some extra work in the cage: He's hitting all them balls in the upper zone into the ground. You just can't keep doing that.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 11, 2023 18:38:00 GMT -5
i am just thinking 1 game, honestly. I don't Cora is prepared to take him out of SS for an extended period. ls Hamilton up ? Don't even know. He's not I just think we need a spark. Bobby is Bobby. We know what he offers. Hamilton at SS and Kiké in CF imo is the way to go. Kiké is like Franchy. Pressing defensively and struggling offensively. It goes hand and hand in baseball a lot. yes. tough sport when things are going bad. If you did that and he lit it up, then you have a Mondesi / Story issue if they come back. I am not sure they want to go there.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 11, 2023 18:41:02 GMT -5
This is tough to watch. But McLanahan has done this to many teams not just us
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 18:42:12 GMT -5
He's not I just think we need a spark. Bobby is Bobby. We know what he offers. Hamilton at SS and Kiké in CF imo is the way to go. Kiké is like Franchy. Pressing defensively and struggling offensively. It goes hand and hand in baseball a lot. yes. tough sport when things are going bad. If you did that and he lit it up, then you have a Mondesi / Story issue if they come back. I am not sure they want to go there. we need that problem. Hes got 5 stolen bases in 6 games and hitting pretty well. I would at least be able to get excited about something here.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 11, 2023 18:44:23 GMT -5
Time to knock someone down. #ChinMusic
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 18:44:42 GMT -5
I hate the Rays because they're just so pesky and I never understand why they're so good. But, I do hope they break through and win a ring (if Boston isn't going to win one).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 11, 2023 18:44:47 GMT -5
Our pitchers are missing spots. Our batters are missing everything
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 11, 2023 18:45:06 GMT -5
This is some BS. We gotta knock these punks down a notch.
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Post by briam on Apr 11, 2023 18:46:45 GMT -5
Just insane that the rays lineup is better than the Sox at every single spot except for Devers.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 18:46:56 GMT -5
we need one of Turner/Yoshida to get hot ASAP
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 11, 2023 18:49:22 GMT -5
Arroyo is awful to watch play every day
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:00 GMT -5
What will be higher, Rays wins or Tigers losses?
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Post by briam on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:26 GMT -5
We now live in a world where Bob is their best RHH.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:29 GMT -5
Bobby means bizness !!
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Post by wildsox on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:45 GMT -5
Is this a contest on who can look worse? That was absolutely awful by Arroyo
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 11, 2023 18:50:47 GMT -5
Right, but that's exactly why it was a good idea not to sign him. The Padres are going down with their boom and bust ship in a couple years and have proven willing to pay guys like 50% more than they're worth in the meantime because they don't care about albatross contracts when they already intend to be rebuilding. If we offered that exact contract we would certainly be better for the next few years, but at the expense of the 2028-2033 squads. In a town like Boston, you can't plan around an Baltimore-length rebuild. And so, you don't sign Bogaerts to that deal. By all means, offer him a 10 year extension at age 25 - the market has shown ample precedent for that as well - but don't let him hit free agency at age 30 and then sign him to an 11 year deal.
Neither Story nor Duvall has been injury prone in their career. Only one of their injuries - Story's elbow - was even a non-contact injury. It's hard to knock Duvall for hurting his wrist diving for a ball or Story for getting hit in the hand with a pitch, since that could happen to anyone no matter how well their body is put together.
The "positional battle" doesn't matter much in a vacuum; there are 26 guys on the roster, and you just need to have a better team overall. So, the issue is less that we don't have a more elite SS and more that half of the starting lineup (Hernandez, Turner, Casas, Arroyo) is not hitting anywhere near their potential, which has magnified the importance of losing Duvall. 60% of our rotation (well, now 40%; welcome back Whitlock!) being injured to start the year has hurt a lot too.
The bold is more of my original point. Yes, Bogaert's contract is likely at the expense of some of those seasons but at the same time the team this year is $14M under the cap while giving a 38-year old Justin Turner $11M and a 37-year old Kluber $10M. This team has no apparent objection to throwing money at older, oft-injured players so if they're going to earmark $20M+ every year for those type of players what's the harm in making Bogaerts the player that gets that money in 2031-2033? I get that there's a risk, but if the Red Sox only have 1 of these contracts at any given point in time it's really not the catastrophe that it's being made out to be. It's not like this team is one bad contract away from being the Padres or Mets. This doesn't even take into account that if they had ponied up last offseason when they originally made Bogaerts their "top priority" his contract would likely be a lot closer to the projected 7/$189M and those latter years would barely be a concern. The big difference is that Kluber and Turner combined for 5.4 fWAR last year, so they're likely worth their money. Good luck getting that from Bogaerts in his late 30s. Turner hasn't been "oft injured" and while Kluber missed some time a couple years ago he also made 31 starts last year. There's nothing other than being old to indicate he might miss time this year.
It is pure speculation Bogaerts would have signed for $100 million less last offseason if the Red Sox made that offer immediately, and I honestly wouldn't be thrilled with that contract either (although it is within the realm of reason, unlike what he got from SDP). Teams that intend to compete every year should basically never be earmarking salary for players they don't expect to be productive. The harm is that wasting money on players who don't produce means less money left over for players who do produce, and therefore a worse team. One bad contract is not a catastrophe, but knowingly taking one on is still malpractice.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 11, 2023 18:51:47 GMT -5
Dalbec has a higher wRC+ than Duvall so far.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 11, 2023 18:52:22 GMT -5
i am sorry, but i would bunt if i was one of these guys on the first offering to get some pressure on the defense. Waiting for this guy to throw lame cheese is a bad plan.
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