|
Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 18:02:02 GMT -5
Just for what it's worth, the pitch hit out was down and out of the strike zone. Sale missed his target and clearly has no command/control but it's not like it was a meatball.
|
|
|
Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Apr 12, 2023 18:02:13 GMT -5
How long until they can get phantom IL stints for Sale and Kluber? Really don’t need to see these below replacement level has-beens anymore. The team in 2023 is going nowhere, might as well see what the kids can do
|
|
|
Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2023 18:02:53 GMT -5
We seem to have fallen so far since 2018 (sorry to bring that up). I know 5 years is a long time in baseball, but other franchises have kept it together much better.
|
|
|
Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 18:03:33 GMT -5
This has to be an extremely humbling experience for both Bloom and Cora. Honestly think a Chris Sale start is pretty low on the list of embarrassments for either of them. He's pretty much the one guy they've been stuck with. You have to try and get him right.
|
|
|
Post by wildsox on Apr 12, 2023 18:04:04 GMT -5
I guess the question is now what do we do with Sale? Can we afford to keep running him out there hoping he finds it?
|
|
|
Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:04:43 GMT -5
How long until they can get phantom IL stints for Sale and Kluber? Really don’t need to see these below replacement level has-beens anymore. The team in 2023 is going nowhere, might as well see what the kids can do Kluber put up 3 fWAR last year in 31 starts. No reason to bail after 2 starts this year.
|
|
|
Post by cheers on Apr 12, 2023 18:05:03 GMT -5
This has to be an extremely humbling experience for both Bloom and Cora. Cora hasn't ever seemed all that long on humility.
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:05:08 GMT -5
This has to be an extremely humbling experience for both Bloom and Cora. Honestly think a Chris Sale start is pretty low on the list of embarrassments for either of them. He's pretty much the one guy they've been stuck with. You have to try and get him right. Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise.
|
|
|
Post by wOBA Fett on Apr 12, 2023 18:06:14 GMT -5
Remember when everyone said our depth up the middle was a massive problem going into the season?
Boy were we wrong.
|
|
|
Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:06:15 GMT -5
Honestly think a Chris Sale start is pretty low on the list of embarrassments for either of them. He's pretty much the one guy they've been stuck with. You have to try and get him right. Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise. I don't think construction is the word you're looking for.
|
|
|
Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 18:06:34 GMT -5
Honestly think a Chris Sale start is pretty low on the list of embarrassments for either of them. He's pretty much the one guy they've been stuck with. You have to try and get him right. Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise. Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be.
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 12, 2023 18:08:13 GMT -5
This is what a top 10 payroll gets you I guess..
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:08:29 GMT -5
Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise. Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be. You're kidding, right? I predicted 79 wins (oddly, that's what 538 has). I'm thinking I'm too optimistic.
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:08:59 GMT -5
Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise. I don't think construction is the word you're looking for. Destruction? Conflagration?
|
|
|
Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:09:02 GMT -5
Bradley's just toying with them. MLB team versus a bunch of AAAA guys.
|
|
briam
Veteran
Posts: 1,180
|
Post by briam on Apr 12, 2023 18:09:34 GMT -5
Do the Red Sox really have better depth if an injury to your center fielder means Bobby Dalbec is playing shortstop?
|
|
|
Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Apr 12, 2023 18:09:51 GMT -5
This is what a top 10 payroll gets you I guess.. Never thought I’d see the Sox turn into the mid-2000’s Knicks, but here we are
|
|
|
Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:10:08 GMT -5
I don't think construction is the word you're looking for. Destruction? Conflagration? Thinking more along the lines of complete sh*tshow.
|
|
|
Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 18:10:33 GMT -5
Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be. You're kidding, right? I predicted 79 wins (oddly, that's what 538 has). I'm thinking I'm too optimistic. My bad I forgot that your predictions determine reality.
|
|
|
Post by patford on Apr 12, 2023 18:10:37 GMT -5
I was going to say something about Sale but it would just be cruel at this point. He projects the swagger of a gunfighter and it's hard to imagine how humiliating this must be for him. He almost hasn't pitched in as long a time as Noah Song was away so maybe he can come back but he must be in a dark place mentally at this time.
|
|
|
Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:11:55 GMT -5
I was going to say something about Sale but it would just be cruel at this point. He projects the swagger of a gunfighter and it's hard to imagine how humiliating this must be for him. He almost hasn't pitched in as long a time as Noah Song was away so maybe he can come back but he must be in a dark place mentally at this time. Yeah, I'm sure he's crying himself to sleep on his bags of money.
|
|
|
Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:12:57 GMT -5
Do the Red Sox really have better depth if an injury to your center fielder means Bobby Dalbec is playing shortstop? An injury to Duvall and Story, along with a longer than expected delay for Mondesi. We're down three players up the middle, and there are still Chang and Hernandez who should be in front of Dalbec on the depth chart.
|
|
|
Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2023 18:13:24 GMT -5
Not just Sale or tonight. The roster that's been constructed, the way they've played in general. Substandard for this franchise. Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be. Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here.
|
|
|
Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 18:17:48 GMT -5
Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be. Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here. Based on your win prediction, you are statistically not one of the more optimistic leaning guys here, at least as far as the 2023 roster goes. Not just on this board, but Fangraphs as one unbiased outsider predicted 83 (that is on the optimistic side from the projections I saw though). I'm not sure what a big enough sample size is but it's not 11 games. The Phillies were 4-7 in their first 11 last year and went to the World Series, as were the 2021 Atlanta Braves who won it. Neither of those teams was forecast as particularly dominant before the year either. It also depends on what you think a fair goal is, but I think around 85 wins or so and the front office should be pleased enough with the job it did in the off season.
|
|
|
Post by dirtdog on Apr 12, 2023 18:17:54 GMT -5
At what point do we consider Sale washed and try and turn him into a one inning reliever? His days as a top of the rotation starter look to be well in the rear view mirror now.
|
|