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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:17:56 GMT -5
I think Chang SS, Tapia CF, Kiké 2B, Dalbec LF would be better. At least in LF Bobby isnât at the heart of defensive plays. Where are the hits?
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 12, 2023 18:17:57 GMT -5
I might find something less depressing to do for the next couple hours. Maybe listen to some uplifting songs from Adele. samesies, might listen to every Taylor Swift song about a past lover, should last around the same amount of time..
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 12, 2023 18:18:13 GMT -5
Disagree on that too, it's game 12 and they haven't even lost yet. The roster could still be totally fine. Cora might be a little embarrassed about the poor fundamentals but if anything the players should be. Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here. Oh I dunno perhaps at least a month worth of baseball? I'm not projecting them to be WS contenders but I'm still not willing to outright dismiss it before 10 percent of the season is even played. Not gonna claim its been a pretty start to the season though.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 12, 2023 18:18:22 GMT -5
It looks like Sale isn’t finishing his delivery (leg kick is super rushed), which really limits his slider. He’s flying open and can’t locate his fastball glove side to save his life. Feels like we’re always behind the 8 ball correcting mechanical issues.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:18:39 GMT -5
I think Chang SS, Tapia CF, Kiké 2B, Dalbec LF would be better. At least in LF Bobby isnât at the heart of defensive plays. Where are the hits? Sorry, I just threw up a little in my mouth.
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Post by briam on Apr 12, 2023 18:18:48 GMT -5
Do the Red Sox really have better depth if an injury to your center fielder means Bobby Dalbec is playing shortstop? An injury to Duvall and Story, along with a longer than expected delay for Mondesi. We're down three players up the middle, and there are still Chang and Hernandez who should be in front of Dalbec on the depth chart. It’s not as if Story got hurt a week before the season began, or even in spring training. Mondesi was injured when they acquired him, which is why the price was a broken lefty reliever. They went into the season with a roster that apparently was one injury away from a career below average defensive corner infielder playing short stop.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:20:06 GMT -5
Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here. Based on your win prediction, you are statistically not one of the more optimistic leaning guys here, at least as far as the 2023 roster goes. Not just on this board, but Fangraphs as one unbiased outsider predicted 83 (that is on the optimistic side from the projections I saw though). I'm not sure what a big enough sample size is but it's not 11 games. The Phillies were 4-7 in their first 11 last year and went to the World Series, as were the 2021 Atlanta Braves who won it. Neither of those teams was forecast as particularly dominant before the year either. It also depends on what you think a fair goal is, but I think around 85 wins or so and the front office should be pleased enough with the job it did in the off season. I am very much an optimist, but even more, a realist with decades of rooting for this team, and also pretty much a photographic memory. This roster is deeply flawed and very thin.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 12, 2023 18:20:51 GMT -5
Wow, it is sure great that Dombroski re-signed Sale for 5 years $145,000,000. The Red Sox have really gotten their money’s worth….. (the take for three year 2017, 2018, and 2019 worked out great, but there is a time to let them go…. like Pedro to the Mets, like Garciaparra, like…..).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 18:24:32 GMT -5
We are being no hit by a 22 year old in his first ML start.
Off to watch the new Boston Marathon Bomber documentary on Netflix.
I hope we come back and win.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2023 18:28:13 GMT -5
Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here. Based on your win prediction, you are statistically not one of the more optimistic leaning guys here, at least as far as the 2023 roster goes. Not just on this board, but Fangraphs as one unbiased outsider predicted 83 (that is on the optimistic side from the projections I saw though). I'm not sure what a big enough sample size is but it's not 11 games. The Phillies were 4-7 in their first 11 last year and went to the World Series, as were the 2021 Atlanta Braves who won it. Neither of those teams was forecast as particularly dominant before the year either. It also depends on what you think a fair goal is, but I think around 85 wins or so and the front office should be pleased enough with the job it did in the off season. Yeah, I’m not optimistic about this season, but overall I’m generally a Pollyanna about the Sox. I get it that 11 games is a small sample. I think that small sample has some significance, unfortunately. I hope to be extremely wrong.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:28:56 GMT -5
An injury to Duvall and Story, along with a longer than expected delay for Mondesi. We're down three players up the middle, and there are still Chang and Hernandez who should be in front of Dalbec on the depth chart. It’s not as if Story got hurt a week before the season began, or even in spring training. Mondesi was injured when they acquired him, which is why the price was a broken lefty reliever. They went into the season with a roster that apparently was one injury away from a career below average defensive corner infielder playing short stop. You're ignoring the fact that Dalbec is still at best option #3 at SS. And, as with many of the criticisms on this board, it's myopically focusing on one position.
Mondesi wasn't even ruled out for Opening Day when he came over from KC. No one thought a 60-day IL stint was on the table until it was announced.
Story's surgery was a few months before the season, but also after a lot of the traffic in the FA market. It's not shocking there weren't two plan As in place, especially with Story still likely to come back sometime this year and under contract long term.
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Post by backwardsk on Apr 12, 2023 18:29:10 GMT -5
Serious question, what is a big enough sample size to declare the roster is lacking? Do you think Paxton and Bello are the solutions? I predicted 79 wins and don’t think they’ll get there. I say this as one of the more optimistic leaning guys here. Based on your win prediction, you are statistically not one of the more optimistic leaning guys here, at least as far as the 2023 roster goes. Not just on this board, but Fangraphs as one unbiased outsider predicted 83 (that is on the optimistic side from the projections I saw though). I'm not sure what a big enough sample size is but it's not 11 games. The Phillies were 4-7 in their first 11 last year and went to the World Series, as were the 2021 Atlanta Braves who won it. Neither of those teams was forecast as particularly dominant before the year either. It also depends on what you think a fair goal is, but I think around 85 wins or so and the front office should be pleased enough with the job it did in the off season. To be fair there isn't much difference between 79 and 83 wins. I don't think 83 wins gets you a playoff spot either way. It's possible, but not probable.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:29:12 GMT -5
Woah, just realized the Sox are the team other fans refer to when they say wait until the Rays play a real team.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 12, 2023 18:29:16 GMT -5
Well at least Bobby Dalbec’s bat plays at short.
This team is a disgrace.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 12, 2023 18:30:40 GMT -5
Lower velo now but delivery looks cleaner now. Reminds me of the mechanical issue Eovaldi had in 2018 right before the playoffs where he was landing on the heel of his landing foot instead of the toes.
Lineup is brutal but I’m not too pissed off about Sale even if he ends up giving 6 ER. We need to start hitting above .200 as a team…
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:31:24 GMT -5
Sale settled down nicely after the first.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 12, 2023 18:31:33 GMT -5
Well at least Bobby Dalbec’s bat plays at short. This team is a disgrace. To be more specific, the people who put this team together are a disgrace and should resign in shame with people behind them throwing cabbage and yelling, "SHAME!"
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2023 18:31:47 GMT -5
An injury to Duvall and Story, along with a longer than expected delay for Mondesi. We're down three players up the middle, and there are still Chang and Hernandez who should be in front of Dalbec on the depth chart. It’s not as if Story got hurt a week before the season began, or even in spring training. Mondesi was injured when they acquired him, which is why the price was a broken lefty reliever. They went into the season with a roster that apparently was one injury away from a career below average defensive corner infielder playing short stop. Seems pretty typical, really. Heck, the Yankees are so desperate in the second week of the season that they're playing Franchy Cordero of all people...
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2023 18:32:33 GMT -5
i was totally fine with the Sale extension. Obviously, it has been a bad deal for our club, but that doesn't diminish my respect for him. He is the kind of player that you want to go to battle with and he has always gave his all.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 12, 2023 18:32:49 GMT -5
DOB with the clutch jinx lol
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:32:59 GMT -5
Warm welcome to the half dozen or so folks who just logged on to vent their displeasure with the team. Hope y'all hang around and contribute to the discussion going forward!
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Post by wOBA Fett on Apr 12, 2023 18:34:24 GMT -5
Sale settled down nicely after the first. Other than that Mr. Lincoln, how was the play?
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Post by briam on Apr 12, 2023 18:34:29 GMT -5
It’s not as if Story got hurt a week before the season began, or even in spring training. Mondesi was injured when they acquired him, which is why the price was a broken lefty reliever. They went into the season with a roster that apparently was one injury away from a career below average defensive corner infielder playing short stop. You're ignoring the fact that Dalbec is still at best option #3 at SS. And, as with many of the criticisms on this board, it's myopically focusing on one position.
Mondesi wasn't even ruled out for Opening Day when he came over from KC. No one thought a 60-day IL stint was on the table until it was announced.
Story's surgery was a few months before the season, but also after a lot of the traffic in the FA market. It's not shocking there weren't two plan As in place, especially with Story still likely to come back sometime this year and under contract long term.
You can’t have one of your pillars be to build depth and then start Bobby Dalbec at short stop. It’s the type of thing that if the Yankees did we would be hysterically laughing and calling them a joke.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 12, 2023 18:34:34 GMT -5
Also I hope JT isn’t late career Mike Lowell, league average hitter GIDP machine 😭
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 18:35:05 GMT -5
Oof, Raffy. He's back to missing fastballs down the middle. 0-9 with 6 Ks this series.
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