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4/10-4/13 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 12, 2023 18:51:46 GMT -5
These middle middle sliders man, I just hope they can find his release point otherwise this is going to be a long season
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2023 18:52:30 GMT -5
i was totally fine with the Sale extension. Obviously, it has been a bad deal for our club, but that doesn't diminish my respect for him. He is the kind of player that you want to go to battle with and he has always gave his all. I'm curious what were your thoughts of the contract backlash at the time, as I'd say most folks (pundits included) ranged anywhere from either luke-warm to dislike when it was signed? Speaking for myself, I liked it okay at the time. But when I found out after the fact that Sale's velocity had dipped ominously toward the end of the season (which was, remember, a year *before* the extension even started), it became clear that the extension was total malfeasance.
And then things played out even more disastrously than that, as the Sale extension was probably the single biggest contributing factor to how the team backed itself into a corner where they had to trade Mookie Betts. It was just clearly not part of any sensible long-term plan for the organization - just Dombrowski hitching his cart to another one of His Guys.
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2023 18:53:27 GMT -5
You can’t have one of your pillars be to build depth and then start Bobby Dalbec at short stop. It’s the type of thing that if the Yankees did we would be hysterically laughing and calling them a joke. You people are being ridiculous. They're down three injured guys; they do have Chang, if they want to play him, but they obviously just prefer to keep some power potential in the lineup; and just today the Yankees started Franchy in LF, Hicks in CF, and Stanton in RF, an outfield alignment that is in fact pretty risible. Maybe. But they beat a decent team today, and the Sox are looking up at them.
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Post by jmei on Apr 12, 2023 18:54:26 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 12, 2023 18:55:00 GMT -5
Sometimes I think Red Sox fans are descendents of 13th century Self-Flaggelation practicioners.
This is one of these times.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 12, 2023 18:55:35 GMT -5
Honestly, it’s like 2022 never ended. It’s the same frustration and the same headaches. This looks like a team that can’t hang with the Yankees, Rays or Blue Jays(again) and MIGHT be able to edge the Orioles out for 4th place if things break right. This looks like a team that will draft in the 10-12 range next year and then we can do it all again. Just brutal.
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2023 18:56:25 GMT -5
Barring comeback (and I do), the Sox will be 2-7 against non-Tiger opponents, and but for a little league error, they’d be 1-8.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 12, 2023 18:57:06 GMT -5
We aren’t playing well but the Rays are flat out executing in all phases right now. Making the pitches, Making the plays and doing what they need to at bat
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Post by jmei on Apr 12, 2023 18:58:37 GMT -5
Game’s not over yet.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 12, 2023 18:58:38 GMT -5
Honestly, it’s like 2022 never ended. It’s the same frustration and the same headaches. This looks like a team that can’t hang with the Yankees, Rays or Blue Jays(again) and MIGHT be able to edge the Orioles out for 4th place if things break right. This looks like a team that will draft in the 10-12 range next year and then we can do it all again. Just brutal. Look at the bright side of it. The Jays Rays and Yankees can only beat the tar out of the Red Sox about 36 times this year rather than 54 times
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2023 18:58:56 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. Have you checked on what Andrus or Iglesias have been up to lately? Andrus is at -0.4 WAR on the season and Iglesias didn't even make the Marlins major league roster. If the Red Sox felt that Yu Chang was a straight up better alternative than those guys... well, they haven't been proven wrong yet.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 12, 2023 18:59:57 GMT -5
I think thatâs the first time Kiké didnât try and hit a homer and look what happened
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 12, 2023 18:59:58 GMT -5
this post isn't to anyone in particular and to everyone, at the same time. Let people vent. Everybody deals with this kind of disappointment in a different way.
We all come here as a community. And the site rules are almost never broken. Passive / Aggressive calling out the community at-large just isn't necessary.
And that is as close to moderating people's behavior as you will ever hear from me.
Boys trying to get back into it. That is important.
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Post by cheers on Apr 12, 2023 19:00:16 GMT -5
I'm liking 2023 vintage Dugie so far. There. Somebody said something nice. Back to the grousing!!
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 19:00:44 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. They seemingly chose Chang over Iglesias, considering the latter signed a minor league deal. So disagree with your evaluations of the players but it seems clear the team considered Chang a more viable MLBer. I’m also not sure you can say “just sign Andrus and Duvall” because both those guys wanted starting jobs and the Red Sox only had one to give.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 12, 2023 19:01:05 GMT -5
I'm liking 2023 vintage Dugie so far. There. Somebody said something nice. Back to the grousing!! beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Post by jmei on Apr 12, 2023 19:01:32 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. Have you checked on what Andrus or Iglesias have been up to lately? Andrus is at -0.4 WAR on the season and Iglesias didn't even make the Marlins major league roster. If the Red Sox felt that Yu Chang was a straight up better alternative than those guys... well, they haven't been proven wrong yet. I don’t think any reasonable projection system should have Yu Chang as a better player than Andrus or Iglesias. I will bet an avatar that from this point forward Andrus will be better than Chang.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 12, 2023 19:02:45 GMT -5
We aren’t playing well but the Rays are flat out executing in all phases right now. Making the pitches, Making the plays and doing what they need to at bat This is what the Rays always do, though. They outperform and compete with the Big Boys at 25% of the payroll. If I’m John Henry, I am absolutely livid at what I’m seeing from the team(assuming he’s even paying attention).
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Post by blevin33 on Apr 12, 2023 19:02:53 GMT -5
NESN quick panning to the Rays mascot with its feet up on the table, looking listless, is an apt microcosm. I am giving the Rays credit for being a well rounded team, but I am not enthused about how the Red Sox are playing. Casas seems a little lost, which, based on how he performed in the Florida, surprises me. As I write this, Kiké finally takes what the pitcher gives him and doubles. Hallelujah.
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Post by cheers on Apr 12, 2023 19:03:00 GMT -5
I'm liking 2023 vintage Dugie so far. There. Somebody said something nice. Back to the grousing!! beatings will continue until morale improves. I may take you up on that at some point. If I do, please start with my eyes.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 12, 2023 19:03:47 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. On the one hand, sure, but on the other hand, we gave ~1500 PAs last year to guys who were considerably worse than replacement level, many of whom hadn't even played meaningful innings at the MLB level. Guys like Chang and Tapia have at least had several years of major league experience and have been a bit above replacement level over their careers. Refsnyder is obviously a regression candidate, but he was straight up good last year.
Disagree about Mondesi, though. I remember on the SP podcast Chris and Ian hadn't even thought moving Mondesi to the 60-day was on the table and spent some time debating other possible roster moves if we wanted to add a guy like Tapia. I also remember an interview with Cora early in Spring Training in which he said Mondesi still had an outside chance of making the Opening Day roster. So, I really don't think they were planning on him not being an option until June.
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Post by rico6 on Apr 12, 2023 19:03:54 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. You have to trust Sam Kennedy. He said before the season started that they have a plan and are making the right decisions.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 12, 2023 19:05:40 GMT -5
Glass half full, prior to the Sox, the rays have run through everyone else, these games, albeit frustrating from our perspective have been more competitive than their previous matchups.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 12, 2023 19:06:00 GMT -5
Here’s the thing about depth. Guys like Yu Chang or Raimel Tapia are not meaningful depth. They are replacement-level spaghetti against the wall. Depth means having legitimate major league players on your bench. If guys like Duvall or Arroyo were backups rather starters entering spring training, that would be depth. I don’t buy the Story and Mondesi injuries as excuses. They knew both those guys would be out for big chunks of the season midway through the offseason. They really needed to add another middle infielder (and there were options in Andrus, Iglesias and others) but chose not to and are now dealing with the consequences. You have to trust Sam Kennedy. He said before the season started that they have a plan and are making the right decisions. They've been nailing it so far.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 12, 2023 19:06:31 GMT -5
You people are being ridiculous. They're down three injured guys; they do have Chang, if they want to play him, but they obviously just prefer to keep some power potential in the lineup; and just today the Yankees started Franchy in LF, Hicks in CF, and Stanton in RF, an outfield alignment that is in fact pretty risible. No sense in continuing the back and forth but yes; the Yankees are starting outfielders in the outfield, compared to a below average first baseman at shortstop. I can’t think of many, if any, examples of that elsewhere in baseball. I get it, some fans like yourself are optimistic and it’s your nature to pushback on criticism, but it should be infuriating that this is the lineup with a payroll this high 4 years into a front office’s tenure. It's also curious to me why the mgr. decided to start the bad 1B at SS when that bad 1B has a career 85 wRC+ against RHP, including 64 last year. Why not go with Chang at SS and Arroyo at 2B? At least they can both catch the ball.
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