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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 14:14:18 GMT -5
No doubt Pivetta would love to deliver a "Shut those fans and reporters up" performance tonight. Hope has it in him, we sure need it !!
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2023 14:19:16 GMT -5
sheesh we may have caught the cards at the exact wrong time, a little 18-1 beat down of the brewers last night Very sporting of the Sox to help them get started The least we could do after they laid down in two World Series Sherriff and Garza up is interesting
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Post by redsoxpride34 on May 16, 2023 14:34:50 GMT -5
Great, two more scrap heap relievers from the pile. Not even good minor league numbers from either of them. Sheriff is 32, Garza nearly 30. Why not call up Mosqueda and Broadway or Politi? All 3 are in AAA and offer more upside. How many more of these guys is Chaim going to scoop up off the wire before he realizes they all suck? Stock, Norwood, Bernardino, Ort, Sherriff, Garza (probably more I'm forgetting). At least give the younger players a shot before resorting to older guys who are being let go by other teams.
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2023 14:41:14 GMT -5
But they knew those guys were issues at the start. So that was something that was built in. NOBODY KNEW Klubers command would this bad. Privetta coulda took a step forward as easy as backward Bello has been fine but not spectacular Sale and Paxton are what they are. High upside, probably get injuried at some point. That said coulda easy been better production Houck and Whitlock. Both appear to be fringe starters. One or both coulda took off. All in all the Starting Pitching has went pretty bad so far and yet that’s said could easy be very good going forward. Agreed, though he was suspect when the Rays were willing to cut ties given he was a relatively low-cost starter who had significant success for them. That should've been a red - or at least, bright yellow - flag.
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2023 14:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 16, 2023 14:52:33 GMT -5
Great, two more scrap heap relievers from the pile. Not even good minor league numbers from either of them. Sheriff is 32, Garza nearly 30. Why not call up Mosqueda and Broadway or Politi? All 3 are in AAA and offer more upside. How many more of these guys is Chaim going to scoop up off the wire before he realizes they all suck? Stock, Norwood, Bernardino, Ort, Sherriff, Garza (probably more I'm forgetting). At least give the younger players a shot before resorting to older guys who are being let go by other teams. Broadway, Mosqueda and Politi's command has not been good. Broadway also needs more development and Politi has long been seen as having stuff that won't translate nicely to the big league level. Literally no other options right now.
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Post by incandenza on May 16, 2023 14:54:01 GMT -5
Gonna try my best ericmvan impersonation...*
Justin Garza had a 6.11 FIP and 6.34 xFIP with LAA in AAA this season in 8.1 IP. But in Worcester he had 3.47/2.08 in 5.1 IP. Strikeouts more than doubled and he only had one walk. The only logical conclusion is that the team saw something they could fix and now he has the upside of a lockdown relief ace.
*meant in the fondest sense, of course
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Post by julyanmorley on May 16, 2023 14:55:15 GMT -5
Great, two more scrap heap relievers from the pile. Not even good minor league numbers from either of them. Sheriff is 32, Garza nearly 30. Why not call up Mosqueda and Broadway or Politi? All 3 are in AAA and offer more upside. All three of those guys are pitching bad and would need to get added to the 40. You forgot John Schreiber. Bernandino pitched fine for them. Ort was not a waiver wire pick up.` Yours is a weird complaint. You're mad that he's hustling to try and upgrade the fourth minor league bullpen depth slot at the tail end of the 40 man roster. Sadly, teams aren't giving away minimum salary all stars.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 16, 2023 14:58:03 GMT -5
Gonna try my best ericmvan impersonation...*
Justin Garza had a 6.11 FIP and 6.34 xFIP with LAA in AAA this season in 8.1 IP. But in Worcester he had 3.47/2.08 in 5.1 IP. Strikeouts more than doubled and he only had one walk. The only logical conclusion is that the team saw something they could fix and now he has the upside of a lockdown relief ace.
*meant in the fondest sense, of course
Garza had 13 swinging strikes in two relief innings the other day. I am at least a little bit intrigued about him. Ryan Sherriff....not so much.
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Post by briam on May 16, 2023 15:03:40 GMT -5
I think the rotation would’ve been fine if just one of Paxton or Whitlock were healthy from the jump. I’m fine with Kluber as the 5 with his mediocre stuff and command, it’s the Pivetta starts that are slowly destroying my soul. But they knew those guys were issues at the start. So that was something that was built in. Correct, but then it leads to the logjam issues when/if they get healthy. Of course this would be much less of an issue if Pivetta wasn’t delusional about being a no questions asked starter.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 15:42:59 GMT -5
But they knew those guys were issues at the start. So that was something that was built in. Correct, but then it leads to the logjam issues when/if they get healthy. Of course this would be much less of an issue if Pivetta wasn’t delusional about being a no questions asked starter. It is not up to Pivetta which role he has until he can leave as a FA after 2024. Cora has the chance to move a starter to the bullpen right now, so we'll find out pretty quickly if he thinks Pivetta is that guy. I don't think he is delusional either. He's taken the ball every 5th ( or 6th, 7th) day for over 2 seasons. Is he one of their 5 best starters if all are healthy , I hope not, but in 2 plus seasons he's yet to be knocked out of the rotation. As far as his reaction to the press last week, well that was a frustrated professional venting his disappointment. Linuss Ullmark of the Bruins was absolutely flip with the press about his poor playoff performance after game 6 and no one is running him out of town.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on May 16, 2023 15:59:03 GMT -5
Great, two more scrap heap relievers from the pile. Not even good minor league numbers from either of them. Sheriff is 32, Garza nearly 30. Why not call up Mosqueda and Broadway or Politi? All 3 are in AAA and offer more upside. All three of those guys are pitching bad and would need to get added to the 40. You forgot John Schreiber. Bernandino pitched fine for them. Ort was not a waiver wire pick up.` Yours is a weird complaint. You're mad that he's hustling to try and upgrade the fourth minor league bullpen depth slot at the tail end of the 40 man roster. Sadly, teams aren't giving away minimum salary all stars. My issue is that these types of guys rarely amount to anything and the fact that Chaim keeps collecting crap while calling it depth is frustrating to say the least. We don't need more 30+ yr old AAAA players. At least give the younger guys in the system a shot first. Or better yet, maybe trade for or sign some actual good players, not washed up vets in their mid to late 30's.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 16:13:29 GMT -5
All three of those guys are pitching bad and would need to get added to the 40. You forgot John Schreiber. Bernandino pitched fine for them. Ort was not a waiver wire pick up.` Yours is a weird complaint. You're mad that he's hustling to try and upgrade the fourth minor league bullpen depth slot at the tail end of the 40 man roster. Sadly, teams aren't giving away minimum salary all stars. My issue is that these types of guys rarely amount to anything and the fact that Chaim keeps collecting crap while calling it depth is frustrating to say the least. We don't need more 30+ yr old AAAA players. At least give the younger guys in the system a shot first. Or better yet, maybe trade for or sign some actual good players, not washed up vets in their mid to late 30's. I think Bloom is trying to avoid burning options and young arms out by moving to quickly, while the arms that were supposed to comprise the staff this year get healthy. That has and continues to be, a struggle.
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2023 17:51:45 GMT -5
All three of those guys are pitching bad and would need to get added to the 40. You forgot John Schreiber. Bernandino pitched fine for them. Ort was not a waiver wire pick up.` Yours is a weird complaint. You're mad that he's hustling to try and upgrade the fourth minor league bullpen depth slot at the tail end of the 40 man roster. Sadly, teams aren't giving away minimum salary all stars. My issue is that these types of guys rarely amount to anything and the fact that Chaim keeps collecting crap while calling it depth is frustrating to say the least. We don't need more 30+ yr old AAAA players. At least give the younger guys in the system a shot first. Or better yet, maybe trade for or sign some actual good players, not washed up vets in their mid to late 30's. Again, you are talking about like the 13th reliever on the depth chart. Idk what org you think carries studs in that spot.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 16, 2023 18:14:32 GMT -5
Meanwhile Wacha is still > Kluber, and cheaper. Wacha is not cheaper. He signed a 4 year $26,000,000 contract. If he sucks in year three and four, then it is $13,000,000 per year. Wacha and his his family were in the row in front me at church a couple weeks ago. I had forgotten that he is 6’6”, and he looks every inch of it. His wife and kids were there too. San Diego will probably regret the contract before it is finished. For all the money SD has spent. The locals here are kind of amazed that they are not a lot better….basically a .500 team.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 18:16:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile Wacha is still > Kluber, and cheaper. Wacha is not cheaper. He signed a 4 year $26,000,000 contract. If he sucks in year three and four, then it is $13,000,000 per year. Wacha and his his family were in the row in front me at church a couple weeks ago. I had forgotten that he is 6’6”, and he looks every inch of it. His wife and kids were there too. San Diego will probably regret the contract before it is finished.They sure have a bunch of those !
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Post by blizzards39 on May 16, 2023 18:20:45 GMT -5
Masa power
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Post by blizzards39 on May 16, 2023 18:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by wildsox on May 16, 2023 18:22:27 GMT -5
Taking advantage of that gift from Wong
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Post by taiwansox on May 16, 2023 18:23:44 GMT -5
Pivetta didn’t give up a run in the first and we score 3 quick, I’m liking this lol
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Post by taiwansox on May 16, 2023 18:24:09 GMT -5
Pivetta didn’t give up a run in the first and we score 3 quick, I’m liking this lol And Casas for the 4th!
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Post by wildsox on May 16, 2023 18:24:12 GMT -5
Casas!
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 18:26:09 GMT -5
Two out homers are the best ! Triston !!!
That was one of the best 1st innings of the season !
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Post by kevfc89 on May 16, 2023 18:26:19 GMT -5
Hammering Castillo as we all predicted
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Post by Smittyw on May 16, 2023 18:26:41 GMT -5
Now this is more like it
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