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Greg Allen traded for Diego Hernandez
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Post by crossedsabres8 on May 21, 2023 1:03:48 GMT -5
Same reason they gave Rodon a 6 year guarantee- they have no clue what they’re doing! Yet they haven't come close to a losing season in 30 years, so yeah, absolutely clueless. I mean, they were definitely pretty close in 2016 when they finished 6 games above .500 at the end of the season when they were sellers at the deadline, never in contention, and needed some absurd second half meaningless performances to get to that mark in order the keep that streak up. But yeah, they are consistently very good. They are the Yankees. I don't know why a red sox fan is giving them credit where they don't deserve it though.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 21, 2023 1:40:08 GMT -5
Same reason they gave Rodon a 6 year guarantee- they have no clue what they’re doing! Yet they haven't come close to a losing season in 30 years, so yeah, absolutely clueless. Having a winning record does NOT mean you are good enough to win the World Series, and the MFY have made a lot of expensive mistakes in recent years. Cashman no longer gets to outspend all the other franchises by $100,000,000 like he used to.
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Post by keninten on May 21, 2023 2:07:29 GMT -5
Same reason they gave Rodon a 6 year guarantee- they have no clue what they’re doing! Yet they haven't come close to a losing season in 30 years, so yeah, absolutely clueless. You got some crap for a statement that would have been alright for any other team in any other sport. spankees suck
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Post by jimoh on May 21, 2023 5:32:34 GMT -5
why would the yankees trade anything for greg allen Dumb organization. The most fun thing about the Greg Allen trade was that he replaces Aaron Hicks, DFAed the same day with 2 3/4 years left on his miserable 7 yrs/$70M contract; may Hicks be a harbinger of all the dead weight that the Yankees' many long-term commitments will bring in the coming years. (Can you be a harbinger of a flock of albatrosses?). For that contract Hicks played 303 games in the first five (4 +) years, hitting .218; the year before the contact started he was 22nd in MVP voting. Yankees payroll from Cot's: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KIDNmohCLadrjlx4eVlXMmhLRR6x4HPT4dVwTgLbFtQ/edit#gid=1520401900
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 21, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -5
Yet they haven't come close to a losing season in 30 years, so yeah, absolutely clueless. Having a winning record does NOT mean you are good enough to win the World Series, and the MFY have made a lot of expensive mistakes in recent years. Cashman no longer gets to outspend all the other franchises by $100,000,000 like he used to. Yes I know that. For all I know you could be describing both the Sox and Yankees this year with that statement. My statement was pretty general and basic. The Yankees have been over .500 for the past 30 years and it's not like their winning percentage is .510 during that time. They have won about 57% of the time. Dumb organizations dont do that. The Yankees haven't been stupid since the late 1980s when Steinbrenner put them on a treadmill to nowhere. Only his suspension for digging up dirt on Dave Winfield kept him from destroying the franchise altogethr and it allowed what Gene Michael built in the 90s. Steinbrenner wanted to trade away a young Mariano Rivera for Felix Fermin. He lost patience with Pettite and wanted him traded away, but by then the front office was better at talking an aging Steinbrenner out of his insanity. This was years after he had already given away a young Willie McGee, Fred McGriff, and Jay Buhner, and even Doug Drabek and Bob Tewksberry for virtually nothing. That stupidity resulted in a year like 1990 where the Sox weren't great but good enough to squeak by in the AL East where Toronto was the only other really good team. The Yankees lost 95 games and were so bad that Andy Hawkins pitched a no hitter for them and lost 4-0! Hawkins also had 3 outings against the Sox that year where his ERA was 162, not 1.62, but 162.00....he only lasted 0.1 on each of his 3 starts against the Sox. I remember Mike Greenwell hitting an inside the park grand slam on a grounder past the 1st base bag down the line. And the best thing of all was manager Bucky Dent getting fired.....at Fenway Park after the Sox swept them 4 straight in June. Let him put THAT on his mantle, hahaha. They haven't been bad like that for a long, long time. Their bad seasons are basically the Sox 2019 season, where they still won more than they lost. The Sox have had 5 losing seasons in the past 11 years, and reached 90 losses twice during that time and probably would have again had 2020 gone the distance. I'm not disparaging the Red Sox because I'll take 2 championships with that baggage any day over the close but no cigar thing the Yankees have been doing. The Sox had that close but no cigar thing for a long damn time themselves. Let the Yankees be aggravated. F them. That said, they make mistakes, but I dont think they're a dumb organization at all. They know Theo lapped them on the analytics modernization of baseball decision making 10 - 20 years ago, so they grew their analytics dept and probably surpassed the Sox for awhile. I believe Bloom has been trying to catch the Sox up in that regard as I believe they lost a bit of that edge in the Cherington era.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 21, 2023 13:49:57 GMT -5
Having a winning record does NOT mean you are good enough to win the World Series, and the MFY have made a lot of expensive mistakes in recent years. Cashman no longer gets to outspend all the other franchises by $100,000,000 like he used to. Yes I know that. For all I know you could be describing both the Sox and Yankees this year with that statement. My statement was pretty general and basic. The Yankees have been over .500 for the past 30 years and it's not like their winning percentage is .510 during that time. They have won about 57% of the time. Dumb organizations dont do that. The Yankees haven't been stupid since the late 1980s when Steinbrenner put them on a treadmill to nowhere. Only his suspension for digging up dirt on Dave Winfield kept him from destroying the franchise altogethr and it allowed what Gene Michael built in the 90s. Steinbrenner wanted to trade away a young Mariano Rivera for Felix Fermin. He lost patience with Pettite and wanted him traded away, but by then the front office was better at talking an aging Steinbrenner out of his insanity. This was years after he had already given away a young Willie McGee, Fred McGriff, and Jay Buhner, and even Doug Drabek and Bob Tewksberry for virtually nothing. That stupidity resulted in a year like 1990 where the Sox weren't great but good enough to squeak by in the AL East where Toronto was the only other really good team. The Yankees lost 95 games and were so bad that Andy Hawkins pitched a no hitter for them and lost 4-0! Hawkins also had 3 outings against the Sox that year where his ERA was 162, not 1.62, but 162.00....he only lasted 0.1 on each of his 3 starts against the Sox. I remember Mike Greenwell hitting an inside the park grand slam on a grounder past the 1st base bag down the line. And the best thing of all was manager Bucky Dent getting fired.....at Fenway Park after the Sox swept them 4 straight in June. Let him put THAT on his mantle, hahaha. They haven't been bad like that for a long, long time. Their bad seasons are basically the Sox 2019 season, where they still won more than they lost. The Sox have had 5 losing seasons in the past 11 years, and reached 90 losses twice during that time and probably would have again had 2020 gone the distance. I'm not disparaging the Red Sox because I'll take 2 championships with that baggage any day over the close but no cigar thing the Yankees have been doing. The Sox had that close but no cigar thing for a long damn time themselves. Let the Yankees be aggravated. F them. That said, they make mistakes, but I dont think they're a dumb organization at all. They know Theo lapped them on the analytics modernization of baseball decision making 10 - 20 years ago, so they grew their analytics dept and probably surpassed the Sox for awhile. I believe Bloom has been trying to catch the Sox up in that regard as I believe they lost a bit of that edge in the Cherington era. bah bah, The Red Sox do not have a bunch of dead money contracts. They also have 4 WS championships in the last 20 years. The Red Sox avoided future dead money (Bogaerts until age 41 - that is so stupid you would have thought Cashman was the one offering it.) if you think the Red Sox are in the same boat as the MFY, get out your calculator and check again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 21, 2023 14:18:18 GMT -5
Yes I know that. For all I know you could be describing both the Sox and Yankees this year with that statement. My statement was pretty general and basic. The Yankees have been over .500 for the past 30 years and it's not like their winning percentage is .510 during that time. They have won about 57% of the time. Dumb organizations dont do that. The Yankees haven't been stupid since the late 1980s when Steinbrenner put them on a treadmill to nowhere. Only his suspension for digging up dirt on Dave Winfield kept him from destroying the franchise altogethr and it allowed what Gene Michael built in the 90s. Steinbrenner wanted to trade away a young Mariano Rivera for Felix Fermin. He lost patience with Pettite and wanted him traded away, but by then the front office was better at talking an aging Steinbrenner out of his insanity. This was years after he had already given away a young Willie McGee, Fred McGriff, and Jay Buhner, and even Doug Drabek and Bob Tewksberry for virtually nothing. That stupidity resulted in a year like 1990 where the Sox weren't great but good enough to squeak by in the AL East where Toronto was the only other really good team. The Yankees lost 95 games and were so bad that Andy Hawkins pitched a no hitter for them and lost 4-0! Hawkins also had 3 outings against the Sox that year where his ERA was 162, not 1.62, but 162.00....he only lasted 0.1 on each of his 3 starts against the Sox. I remember Mike Greenwell hitting an inside the park grand slam on a grounder past the 1st base bag down the line. And the best thing of all was manager Bucky Dent getting fired.....at Fenway Park after the Sox swept them 4 straight in June. Let him put THAT on his mantle, hahaha. They haven't been bad like that for a long, long time. Their bad seasons are basically the Sox 2019 season, where they still won more than they lost. The Sox have had 5 losing seasons in the past 11 years, and reached 90 losses twice during that time and probably would have again had 2020 gone the distance. I'm not disparaging the Red Sox because I'll take 2 championships with that baggage any day over the close but no cigar thing the Yankees have been doing. The Sox had that close but no cigar thing for a long damn time themselves. Let the Yankees be aggravated. F them. That said, they make mistakes, but I dont think they're a dumb organization at all. They know Theo lapped them on the analytics modernization of baseball decision making 10 - 20 years ago, so they grew their analytics dept and probably surpassed the Sox for awhile. I believe Bloom has been trying to catch the Sox up in that regard as I believe they lost a bit of that edge in the Cherington era. bah bah, The Red Sox do not have a bunch of dead money contracts. They also have 4 WS championships in the last 20 years. The Red Sox avoided future dead money (Bogaerts until age 41 - that is so stupid you would have thought Cashman was the one offering it.) if you the the Red Sox are in the same boat as the MFY, get out your calculator and check again. Aces like Cole cost big bucks. So do guys like Judge. So do guys like Devers. Every big contract will have dead spots, even those 3 deals. That's the nature of free agency. If you dont wind up with dead money somewhere then you're not signing anybody.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 21, 2023 14:20:28 GMT -5
bah bah, The Red Sox do not have a bunch of dead money contracts. They also have 4 WS championships in the last 20 years. The Red Sox avoided future dead money (Bogaerts until age 41 - that is so stupid you would have thought Cashman was the one offering it.) if you the the Red Sox are in the same boat as the MFY, get out your calculator and check again. Aces like Cole cost big bucks. So do guys like Judge. So do guys like Devers. Every big contract will have dead spots, even those 3 deals. I know your probably thinking Rodon. He's there for six years. We'll see if he comes back at some point. Sale's contract was dead money until it suddenly got resurrected. With pitchers you usually get that. That's the nature of free agency. If you dont wind up with dead money somewhere then you're not signing anybody.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 21, 2023 14:26:06 GMT -5
Move on. This is a thread about the Greg Allen trade. Thanks.
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