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5/22-5/24 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by taiwansox on May 23, 2023 22:46:15 GMT -5
Joely… not in the circle. Because of our hitting performance I’m not even mad at our pitching Can’t win many games scoring zero runs, good practice for our pitching
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Post by taiwansox on May 23, 2023 22:49:24 GMT -5
Michael Wacha banished this offense back to 2022
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 23, 2023 22:51:36 GMT -5
did that guy really have a Turner Dodger uni at Anaheim ? That is what is wrong with this world. Lack of respect !
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Post by cutz on May 23, 2023 22:51:56 GMT -5
Damn, 2-3
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Post by notstarboard on May 23, 2023 22:52:06 GMT -5
Is there a single player on this team that can hit a changeup even when they know it's coming? These are not even particularly good changeups.
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Post by manfred on May 23, 2023 22:52:31 GMT -5
This feels a bit like last year. Good streak raises hopes… brutal streak brings everyone back to Earth.
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Post by cutz on May 23, 2023 22:52:57 GMT -5
Offense is deader than a <redacted > Redacted?
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 23, 2023 22:54:52 GMT -5
Well this has been an exciting 3 games in a row 0-1-0 runs. Wasting 2 very good pitching performances
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 23, 2023 22:56:33 GMT -5
bummer, i finally made it through a full west coast game and got nothing from the guys.
baseball season....a bunch of .500 ball, sprinkled in with a couple of .750-.800 ball runs a few times in the year. oh well.
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Post by station13 on May 23, 2023 23:09:46 GMT -5
Bello, Sale, Paxton, Houck is a good rotation.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 23, 2023 23:11:54 GMT -5
Le sigh. I'll still take solace in the fact that it's a long season, SP is really starting to find a groove, and that Duvall and Story will be back in the next month or so.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 23, 2023 23:19:41 GMT -5
This feels a bit like last year. Good streak raises hopes… brutal streak brings everyone back to Earth. Eh, I still think it feels wayyyyy better than last year. Remember how brutal the bullpen was? And how nearly the whole lineup was generally under-performing? And though it hasn't showed up the last 3 games, this team has grit. Last year they had no punch to be found.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 23, 2023 23:21:13 GMT -5
It's frustrating. The team looks like it has something to it that should allow it to be a pretty good team, much better than I would have anticipated, yet here they are, not even in one of the three wild card spots as now even the Angels are ahead of them. It's no longer obvious that the all 3 wild cards are coming out of the East as both Texas (with Eovaldi anchoring the rotation and Will Smith leading the pen - ugh two guys I was hoping the Sox would have on this year's team) and Houston looking like solid teams.
So the Sox are going to have to get moving if they are to have playoff aspirations. They're not playing particularly well, but not bad enough to make me think that they're like the 2022 team - they have a different feel to them and a lot more possibilities to winning, but at the end of the day, possibilities to win are less important than actually winning ballgames, but damn...they should be able to put together a deep offense, a rotation that now has a legit 1-2-3 punch (if healthy) and a pen that should get the job done...they should be able to win. They just need to actually do it more consistently.
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Post by ericmvan on May 23, 2023 23:26:33 GMT -5
You can't convince me that Bello's fate is to be anything less than a #2 starter. Cora sticking with his guy, and got rewarded with a great effort. Thought he had more K's, but what a start. You don't really need a lot of K's when you coax 13 balls in play (in 27 PA!) with a median EV of 83.3 and an expected total of 1.6 hits (allowing just 1). That is a whole lot of insanely weak contact.
There were only 2 other legit hard hits other than the two homers, and neither were exactly smoked -- Neto in the 5th, 97.2, and Urshela in the 7th, 96.0. Both had .680 xBA.
First thing I do when I get up tomorrow: look up Bello's xwOBA for this game.
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Post by briam on May 24, 2023 5:10:07 GMT -5
Well, looks like the offense has come crashing back to earth. Can’t blame them when you’re facing aces like Wacha, Barria, and Canning.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 24, 2023 5:14:44 GMT -5
This offense needs Jobu to come, offer him cigar and rum.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 24, 2023 11:28:54 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you.
Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season.
Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 24, 2023 11:44:31 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you. Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season. Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS. Is it just me or has Toronto been continually overrated the last 3-4 years? Don't get me wrong they're a fringe contender type of team but the way people act about them and their future sometimes just doesn't really bare out in my mind. I guess that is just a long winded way for me to say for whatever reason the Jays seemingly haven't taken that next step that many seemed to think they would with a young Vlady Jr and Bichette as the key guys. Just haven't done a very good job building around them I guess, not that they haven't been trying.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 24, 2023 11:56:14 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you. Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season. Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS. Is it just me or has Toronto been continually overrated the last 3-4 years? Don't get me wrong they're a fringe contender type of team but the way people act about them and their future sometimes just doesn't really bare out in my mind. I guess that is just a long winded way for me to say for whatever reason the Jays seemingly haven't taken that next step that many seemed to think they would with a young Vlady Jr and Bichette as the key guys. Just haven't done a very good job building around them I guess, not that they haven't been trying. I agree. I remember when they played them looking at their roster and saying on here that I don't think they're as good as people predicted them to be. They seem to have a couple monster bats and a lot of duds with a mediocre staff. I hope Vlad Jr isn't one of these HoF guys you forget about because he's stuck on bad teams, like Mike Trout. Ideally, Vlad is traded or signs elsewhere.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 24, 2023 11:57:09 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you. Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season. Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS. Is it just me or has Toronto been continually overrated the last 3-4 years? Don't get me wrong they're a fringe contender type of team but the way people act about them and their future sometimes just doesn't really bare out in my mind. I guess that is just a long winded way for me to say for whatever reason the Jays seemingly haven't taken that next step that many seemed to think they would with a young Vlady Jr and Bichette as the key guys. Just haven't done a very good job building around them I guess, not that they haven't been trying. They just seem like underachievers, except for when they beat the hell out of the Red Sox last year, which perhaps made them appear to look like a juggernaut they really weren't. They're very talented but somehow the results just don't seem to match up. Their exit in the postseason last year seems to sum it up.
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Post by jbuttah on May 24, 2023 12:15:52 GMT -5
Well, looks like the offense has come crashing back to earth. Can’t blame them when you’re facing aces like Wacha, Barria, and Canning. Maybe Wong and Duran can stop swinging through every curveball. If I was an opposing pitcher I'd thrown nothing but curveballs and sliders to those 2. They can't hit or lay off them.
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Post by manfred on May 24, 2023 12:30:42 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Toronto been continually overrated the last 3-4 years? Don't get me wrong they're a fringe contender type of team but the way people act about them and their future sometimes just doesn't really bare out in my mind. I guess that is just a long winded way for me to say for whatever reason the Jays seemingly haven't taken that next step that many seemed to think they would with a young Vlady Jr and Bichette as the key guys. Just haven't done a very good job building around them I guess, not that they haven't been trying. They just seem like underachievers, except for when they beat the hell out of the Red Sox last year, which perhaps made them appear to look like a juggernaut they really weren't. They're very talented but somehow the results just don't seem to match up. Their exit in the postseason last year seems to sum it up. Checks standings: who we talkin’ ‘bout? They made the playoffs last year: there are guys on here who see that as a victory. I don’t count them out. Vlad, Bichette, Springer, solid guys like Merrifield. It seems early for obituaries.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 12:31:10 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you. Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season. Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS. Sputter? Are we really going to call what they've been the first two months sputtering? They're on an 86 win pace despite no Trevor Story and half their rotation puking on itself the first 6 weeks of the season every other day. I don't mean to pick on anyone individually, but the sentiment I've seen in various places that we should consider this season a "bridge year" or that we should be thinking about selling pieces off before we've even reached Memorial Day - when the team is actually winning games! - drives me insane. Worth noting the team hasn't even played the "soft" part of its schedule yet. Per Sean McAdams last Friday, "they have six games with Kansas City, six with Oakland, three with Washington, three with Cincinnati and three with Colorado. That’s 21 of the remaining 119 games -- or roughly 19 percent -- against teams expected to finish last in their respective divisions."
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Post by greenmonster on May 24, 2023 12:36:53 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Toronto been continually overrated the last 3-4 years? Don't get me wrong they're a fringe contender type of team but the way people act about them and their future sometimes just doesn't really bare out in my mind. I guess that is just a long winded way for me to say for whatever reason the Jays seemingly haven't taken that next step that many seemed to think they would with a young Vlady Jr and Bichette as the key guys. Just haven't done a very good job building around them I guess, not that they haven't been trying. They just seem like underachievers, except for when they beat the hell out of the Red Sox last year, which perhaps made them appear to look like a juggernaut they really weren't. They're very talented but somehow the results just don't seem to match up. Their exit in the postseason last year seems to sum it up. Wait...I thought wins/losses weren't appropriate for measuring a teams success.... Maybe they are just unlucky
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 24, 2023 12:52:10 GMT -5
That was a fun week when this team looked good. Turns out, Toronto is just as bad as you. Heading into June 3 games over .500, 2.5 out of the 3rd Wild Card and 5th place in the 3 team race with Toronto right behind you. Stick with the kids at positions you'd like to see them play in the future (i.e. Houck and Whitlock in the rotation, keep Casas at 1st every day) and plan to peel away if this team continues to sputter like they have for the 1st two months of the season. Bloom having success with the younger guys has me satisfied with him. Though letting Wacha and Eovaldi go and bringing in Kluber really hurt having a successful season. Not sure if the Xander debacle is Bloom's or Henry's fault. Kiké has been a disappointment, but it's not like he was good last year and you put him in a position to fail at SS. Sputter? Are we really going to call what they've been the first two months sputtering? They're on an 86 win pace despite no Trevor Story and half their rotation puking on itself the first 6 weeks of the season every other day. I don't mean to pick on anyone individually, but the sentiment I've seen in various places that we should consider this season a "bridge year" or that we should be thinking about selling pieces off before we've even reached Memorial Day - when the team is actually winning games! - drives me insane. Worth noting the team hasn't even played the "soft" part of its schedule yet. Per Sean McAdams last Friday, "they have six games with Kansas City, six with Oakland, three with Washington, three with Cincinnati and three with Colorado. That’s 21 of the remaining 119 games -- or roughly 19 percent -- against teams expected to finish last in their respective divisions." They have lost 2 games thus far against the now 27-23 Angels. Won 2 out of 3 against a SD team that's under .500. Won 2 out of 3 against the .500 Mariners Swept by the under .500 Cardinals. 1-1 against a good Braves team. Won 2 out of 3 against the under .500 Phillies. Swept 4 games against a Toronto team that has a similar record as you. Their May hasn't exactly been a gauntlet. They unfortunately play in a division with NY, Tampa and Baltimore and will have more games against them. The Angels series is a bad series to lose if they're hanging around all year.
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