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Baseball rule changes you'd like to see happen
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 23, 2023 11:04:44 GMT -5
I'd love to see the draft bonus pool and international bonus pool money combined, so a team has discretion on how it spends.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 23, 2023 16:26:01 GMT -5
1. Automated Strike Zone.
2. Ability to Trade Draft Picks and Their Associated Money for Rounds 1-5 for Up To Two Years (i.e. A team could've traded picks from this year and next year to Pittsburgh (or whomever) for their #1 pick, etc. Like the NFL and NBA).
3. Two Mound Visits Per Pitcher Maximum, Including Catcher Visits. Pitcher Must Be Removed If There's a Third Visit.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 23, 2023 21:11:59 GMT -5
- Trading draft picks up until the day of the draft. Or maybe only for the upcoming draft rather than say, a 2030 5th round pick.
- Eliminating balks unless there was a clear intent to deceive or at least an attempt to pick off the runner. Ie no moving baserunners simply because the pitcher flinched.
- Requiring Angel Hernandez to be at least 500 feet from any baseball field at any time.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 23, 2023 21:56:25 GMT -5
1. Automated strike zone, +1
2. No Manfredball in extra innings. I don't care how they do it; I'd be fine with ties after 12 innings in the regular season to prevent the outlier games of extra innings, for example, and I'd also be fine with giving teams extra roster spot(s) the day after extremely long extra inning games to reduce the toll on the pen. Gifting teams a RISP for free is just gross, though.
3. Playoff seeding is dependent on record. Minnesota should not be rewarded with a home wild card series for being the least atrocious team in the cakewalk AL Central. As far as I see it, they're already being gifted a playoff spot they don't deserve and they already will have an inflated record because they've played more games against weaker competition. The least we can do is seed them accordingly. The current system also gives the team with WC3 an advantage over the team with WC2, which is ludicrous. We could conceivably see a team in WC3 position resting starters for the last few games of the regular season because they'd rather play Minnesota than Tampa and don't want to move up to WC2...
4. A starter no longer needs to go 5 innings to qualify for a win. The scorer can use their discretion for shorter starts.
5. Rule 5 changes: Close the Noah Song loophole and delay rule 5 eligibility for players who have major injuries (e.g. pitchers that miss a full year for TJ).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 23, 2023 22:19:47 GMT -5
1. Add one year before R5 eligibility for players who sign before turning 18. Literally doesn't help anyone that they become eligible so fast.
2. Ball/strike challenge system, not full roboumps. Freal, go watch a AAA game when they use it. It's great.
3. Draft pick trading. Literally no reason for it not happening already.
4. Not really a change but for the owners to decline to cut the domestic reserve list from 180 to 165, which they collectively bargained for the ability to do. Would be immensely short-sighted and dumb. For reference, currently the Red Sox are at 166 before adding any of the draftees, and that would be higher but for all the guys in MLB due to their injuries.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 23, 2023 22:28:25 GMT -5
After watching Vogelbach, no more home and away jerseys, change it to shirts vs skins
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Post by patford on Jul 23, 2023 22:35:27 GMT -5
1. Add one year before R5 eligibility for players who sign before turning 18. Literally doesn't help anyone that they become eligible so fast. 2. Ball/strike challenge system, not full roboumps. Freal, go watch a AAA game when they use it. It's great. 3. Draft pick trading. Literally no reason for it not happening already. 4. Not really a change but for the owners to decline to cut the domestic reserve list from 180 to 165, which they collectively bargained for the ability to do. Would be immensely short-sighted and dumb. For reference, currently the Red Sox are at 166 before adding any of the draftees, and that would be higher but for all the guys in MLB due to their injuries. Curious as to what reason there would be for not using fully automated balls and strikes. I can't think of one reason. Even if the current technology needs work as long as it is 100% consistent that's a win.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 23, 2023 23:11:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure what a rule would be, but I want to prevent the situation in the (in)famous Blue Jays/Rangers playoff game where Texas scored the go-ahead run in the deciding game of the series because the catcher threw the ball back to the pitcher and Shin Soo Choo's bat was (obnoxiously) in the way and the runner on 3rd decided to run home for some reason and for some other unknown reason the run counted. Maybe have the ball dead until it is back in the pitcher's glove? I hate Jose Bautista but I yelled "BALL DON'T LIE" when he hit that homerun.
Also, I'm not sure if this is worthy of a rule, but there were a couple of situations where a batter hit a ball that was for sure extra bases and the batter broke his leg/ankle rounding 1st and was a sitting duck on the ground until he was tagged out by the fielder. To me that's just a d*** move. I think the guy should have at the very least allowed to be returned to the base he was rounding before being carted off the field with a broken bone in his leg.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2023 23:34:35 GMT -5
Dump the zombie runner thing in extra innings. Not a fan of it.
Go back to double wild card single elimination game that was in effect 2012 - 2021.
Automated strike zone
No more automatic intentional walks. Make the pitcher throw 4 wide ones.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 24, 2023 1:47:52 GMT -5
Get rid of competitive balance picks, or small market picks or whatever. Or eliminate them if the team made the playoffs or had a winning record the previous season.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 24, 2023 8:56:56 GMT -5
1. Get rid of the zombie runner.
2. Get rid of the zombie runner.
3. Have I mentioned the zombie runner, the bane of my existence? Overtime in other sports is the most exciting time, in baseball it's a groundout and a flyout and the game ends. Watching competitive, close, well-played games end it such pathetic ways is such a letdown. It's a disservice to the fans and the players. And when people are talking about the pace of play, they weren't talking about the pace after the ninth inning! It was the sixth through eighth that games tended to drag, and we're doing much better with that now.
Non zombie runner division: 4. Eliminate the draft in favor of a bonus pool that's aligned with previous season's standings. If Dylan Crews wants $10M, everyone is free to negotiate with him, but the teams with the largest pools are going to have a big advantage in that they won't be using their entire pool. Team's may trade up to 10% of their bonus pool and carry over another 10% to the next season. Signings under some number ($50K?) do not count toward pool number. No extra bonus money for "small market" teams. You're all multi-gazillionaires, you don't get like an extra $2.8 million in bonus money because you're in St. Louis or some such.
5. Agree with the above points above regarding closing the Noah Song R5 loophole. Players need to spend 162 team games on the active 26-man roster before being optioned.
6. Expand to (at least) 32 teams. Move the Rays to an actual place.
7. Deaden the baseball, then keep it as consistent as possible. Raising the mound would have an adverse effect, there are still too many strikeouts.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 24, 2023 9:00:42 GMT -5
4. Eliminate the draft in favor of a bonus pool that's aligned with previous season's standings. If Dylan Crews wants $10M, everyone is free to negotiate with him, but the teams with the largest pools are going to have a big advantage in that they won't be using their entire pool. Can we make this a televised auction event?
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Post by ondabump on Jul 24, 2023 10:05:43 GMT -5
1. Get back to baseball! Stop taking the human element out of the game. (i.e., ABS system). Umpires make mistakes, fielders make error's, pitchers give up HR's. That is sports, Stop turning this into video games. ABS is only good for hitters, not pitchers! You want to speed up games, pitch clock is great but that is about it!
2. Ability to make trades day of MLB draft, just like other sports. So much more exciting.
3. Get rid of ghost runner on extra innings. This is not sandlot baseball.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 24, 2023 10:11:36 GMT -5
1. Add one year before R5 eligibility for players who sign before turning 18. Literally doesn't help anyone that they become eligible so fast. 2. Ball/strike challenge system, not full roboumps. Freal, go watch a AAA game when they use it. It's great. 3. Draft pick trading. Literally no reason for it not happening already. 4. Not really a change but for the owners to decline to cut the domestic reserve list from 180 to 165, which they collectively bargained for the ability to do. Would be immensely short-sighted and dumb. For reference, currently the Red Sox are at 166 before adding any of the draftees, and that would be higher but for all the guys in MLB due to their injuries. Chris, fully agree on the R5 stuff and the appeal system. With the pitch clock going the AAA appeal system was fast and helpful. Not sure the number of appeals is right (or the you keep getting them in perpetuity for getting them right) but the system didn't disrupt the game much at all. Better than robot umps, and fits better into the general challenge process. I hate the draft pick trading idea. Mostly because I think the gap between smart and dumb teams is too great and the value system would take YEARS to balance out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2023 10:19:19 GMT -5
Counterpoint: You've got a weird system in which players go up and down the board based on signability, not how good they are, and it's not the exception (e.g. Kobe) but the rule. Trading picks makes it more likely the best player goes first, second player next, etc.
"We need to save the teams that don't have good people in charge" is never, to me, a good reason not to do something.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2023 10:20:37 GMT -5
On zombie runner, I don't despise it like others here do, but would prefer if it started in like, the 11th or 12th.
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Post by ondabump on Jul 24, 2023 10:24:15 GMT -5
On zombie runner, I don't despise it like others here do, but would prefer if it started in like, the 11th or 12th.
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Post by redsoxrich on Jul 24, 2023 10:50:01 GMT -5
Salary cap and salary floor.
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Post by patford on Jul 24, 2023 11:43:27 GMT -5
1. Get rid of the zombie runner. 2. Get rid of the zombie runner. 3. Have I mentioned the zombie runner, the bane of my existence? Overtime in other sports is the most exciting time, in baseball it's a groundout and a flyout and the game ends. Watching competitive, close, well-played games end it such pathetic ways is such a letdown. It's a disservice to the fans and the players. And when people are talking about the pace of play, they weren't talking about the pace after the ninth inning! It was the sixth through eighth that games tended to drag, and we're doing much better with that now. Non zombie runner division: 4. Eliminate the draft in favor of a bonus pool that's aligned with previous season's standings. If Dylan Crews wants $10M, everyone is free to negotiate with him, but the teams with the largest pools are going to have a big advantage in that they won't be using their entire pool. Team's may trade up to 10% of their bonus pool and carry over another 10% to the next season. Signings under some number ($50K?) do not count toward pool number. No extra bonus money for "small market" teams. You're all multi-gazillionaires, you don't get like an extra $2.8 million in bonus money because you're in St. Louis or some such. 5. Agree with the above points above regarding closing the Noah Song R5 loophole. Players need to spend 162 team games on the active 26-man roster before being optioned. 6. Expand to (at least) 32 teams. Move the Rays to an actual place. 7. Deaden the baseball, then keep it as consistent as possible. Raising the mound would have an adverse effect, there are still too many strikeouts. I despise the zombie runner. I'll never understand the objection to tie games. Cap a game at 12 innings. If it's still a tie then end it as a tie. Yes that is a diversion from long time practice but the fact is there have been official tie games and the zombie runner thing is just completely gimmicky.
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Post by patford on Jul 24, 2023 11:48:02 GMT -5
1. Get back to baseball! Stop taking the human element out of the game. (i.e., ABS system). Umpires make mistakes, fielders make error's, pitchers give up HR's. That is sports, Stop turning this into video games. ABS is only good for hitters, not pitchers! You want to speed up games, pitch clock is great but that is about it! Welcome to the board Ángel .
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Post by bg23 on Jul 24, 2023 12:06:37 GMT -5
I do not care much for whether Noah Song is ever back on the Red Sox, but I think there can be improvements to the system. There are obviously injured list games played with most R5 guys, but I would like to see a modification where a R5 pick cannot be placed on the 60 day IL. So sure, a team can keep a player on the Major League roster for exactly 90 days and send them to the IL for the rest of the year, but they would be effectively playing with a 39 member roster rather than 40. This wouldn’t remove the grey area of R5 picks spending the majority of the season on the IL (and pretty well impossible to prove someone isn’t injured or how long they need to ramp up), but it would at least make those decisions slightly tougher.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 24, 2023 12:32:11 GMT -5
Some good thoughts here, the ideas mentioned that I agree with:
- Challenge system for balls and strikes, keeps some framing value but makes it a lot harder. - No ghost runner until the 12th inning. - Trading draft picks - Making the Rule 5 stricter (extra eligibility based on signing age, close the loophole, require 162 days on an active roster) - League wide playoff seeding, no autobids for winning your division.
Things I'd add: - Get rid of the punishment aspect of the QO. In general anti-rules that suppress value for some class of free agents. - Along with that, IFA pools should be much larger.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 24, 2023 12:37:37 GMT -5
I do not care much for whether Noah Song is ever back on the Red Sox, but I think there can be improvements to the system. There are obviously injured list games played with most R5 guys, but I would like to see a modification where a R5 pick cannot be placed on the 60 day IL. So sure, a team can keep a player on the Major League roster for exactly 90 days and send them to the IL for the rest of the year, but they would be effectively playing with a 39 member roster rather than 40. This wouldn’t remove the grey area of R5 picks spending the majority of the season on the IL (and pretty well impossible to prove someone isn’t injured or how long they need to ramp up), but it would at least make those decisions slightly tougher. Eh, I don't really want to punish a guy for getting legitimately injured. Like if someone busts his knee in May, it doesn't really help him to get sent back to his original team. They just shouldn't suddenly gain a half-season reprieve of his roster eligibility requirement. The 162-game rule would also just cut down on the sort-of unseemly practice of drafting injured guys in general. It's crazy that the roster restrictions basically made a hurt player more attractive than a healthy one because you didn't need to hide him for as long.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 24, 2023 13:02:36 GMT -5
1. The entire salary structure is broken. Before they reach FA, tons of players are underpaid. Then after FA too many guys are a drain on their clubs because their contracts are awful relative to their production. I’m not smart enough to know the solution but it’s completely broken. Relatedly, I’d like some kind of incentive for a team to keep a player on the roster if he was on your roster the previous season. I mean some kind of benefit to the team like only a certain percentage of the salary of such a player counts against the cap. Casual fans are bolstered by year to year roster consistency. My wife can only name like eight players on the roster. Pretty sure she can’t name a single reliever and she watches parts of lots of games.
2. One ball/strike challenge per team. If you’re right you keep it.
3. The season is too long. Shorten it back 10 or so games. (Never gonna happen)
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jul 24, 2023 13:08:50 GMT -5
- No extra inning ghost runner
- I'd be willing to adopt the automated strike zone, if and only if, it takes pitch framing into account somehow; it's an art for a catcher, and I don't want it to go away
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