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Post by manfred on Sept 1, 2023 20:03:21 GMT -5
Sure take a victory lap even though he was very good for stretch where he was expected to be. He's pretty much paid for his contract off of WAR. Which ya WAR is whatever now. Also. Nobody could have predicted that our entire freaking rotation would all collapse at once. And that includes Bello. Anyone who claims to have saw that coming is full of horse manure I’m not sure that’s entirely true. I think a lot of us worried about loads for newer starters. Injuries for Sale. All of it at once? Maybe not. But this is not exactly act of God.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2023 20:03:32 GMT -5
Sure take a victory lap even though he was very good for stretch where he was expected to be. He's pretty much paid for his contract off of WAR. Which ya WAR is whatever now. Also. Nobody could have predicted that our entire freaking rotation would all collapse at once. And that includes Bello. Anyone who claims to have saw that coming is full of horse manure Don't say nobody - if you look back at the 2023 predictions thread, plenty had the team not doing well - I had them at 79 wins, primarily because of suspicions about both pitching and hitting. They actually are doing a bit better than I thought.
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 1, 2023 20:04:10 GMT -5
Glad to see Walter in there even though this isn't exactly the kind of game I want to see.
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Post by trapperdan on Sept 1, 2023 20:04:23 GMT -5
What possible justification is there for taking Llovera out after two thirds of an inning? We have seven to go — why kill the entire bullpen when you can sacrifice one completely expendable arm?
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 1, 2023 20:06:39 GMT -5
What possible justification is there for taking Llovera out after two thirds of an inning? We have seven to go — why kill the entire bullpen when you can sacrifice one completely expendable arm? A gift for those of us that want to see Walters pitch.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 1, 2023 20:06:46 GMT -5
Glad to see Walter in there even though this isn't exactly the kind of game I want to see. yes, glad they used Llovera to clean up the 2nd, so Walter starts a fresh inning. Time for him to shine a bit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2023 20:07:46 GMT -5
Positive: Today is the beginning of a 3-day weekend! It's weird being retired and living in an area with a lot of retirees. It is like 7 days weekend every week - yet Mondays somehow still feel a bit like Mondays. We know it's the weekend because the big apple festival downtown is this weekend.
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Post by briam on Sept 1, 2023 20:08:19 GMT -5
I also don’t think we can use the “how could you anticipate this team falling apart?!??” Reasoning when it’s the second year in a row that exact thing happened post-deadline. This just took an extra two weeks.
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Post by manfred on Sept 1, 2023 20:08:46 GMT -5
Trade Paxton? I was on the “why did we sign Paxton” train last year when we were just over the cap. And folks said “oh wait until this year”! Sure take a victory lap even though he was very good for stretch where he was expected to be. He's pretty much paid for his contract off of WAR. Which ya WAR is whatever now. So you are telling me that when they signed him they figured ~8 good starts was what they were aiming for out of his 2 years of pay? And those 8 starts were worth having worse picks for X and Eovaldi?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 1, 2023 20:10:16 GMT -5
To those who held out hope for this season --- this team for the entire season has looked like the 1974 Red Sox Redux. Seemed to outperform and do it with smoke and mirrors all season, until the team ran out of gas at the end of August.
We just didn't have it this year.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2023 20:11:22 GMT -5
I also don’t think we can use the “how could you anticipate this team falling apart?!??” Reasoning when it’s the second year in a row that exact thing happened post-deadline. This just took an extra two weeks. So. You are saying the players are intentionally throwing in the towel because the team did not trade for reinforcements? if that was actually the case i would cut every single one of those children. Yes. I called them children. Because doing something so stupid like this, is something a child would do. Not an adult
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Post by manfred on Sept 1, 2023 20:12:54 GMT -5
Sox look like they might be up 3 on the Yankees at night’s end. That might be too close for comfort.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2023 20:13:04 GMT -5
I also don’t think we can use the “how could you anticipate this team falling apart?!??” Reasoning when it’s the second year in a row that exact thing happened post-deadline. This just took an extra two weeks. So. You are saying the players are intentionally throwing in the towel because the team did not trade for reinforcements? if that was actually the case i would cut every single one of those children. Of course it is not "intentional" - but there is a psychological/mental element of the game - they are humans, not robots, even if they are professionals. They are not children. But they do react to things.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2023 20:14:10 GMT -5
So. You are saying the players are intentionally throwing in the towel because the team did not trade for reinforcements? if that was actually the case i would cut every single one of those children. Of course it is not "intentional" - but there is a psychological/mental element of the game - they are humans, not robots, even if they are professionals. They are not children. But they do react to things. No. Its acting like a child. Go look at the angels. Trading for reinforcements guarantees you squat. And i would point to last year where Xander threw a fit after the sox traded away some players that were in the big league clubhouse
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 1, 2023 20:14:12 GMT -5
Good lord what a s show. This game looks like they quit. Those of you that wanted to move Paxton were dead on. I dont think Bloom gets canned but based Kennedy comments, I think he gets put on notice. Still say Monday night game lingering like a turd that wont flush.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 1, 2023 20:14:50 GMT -5
Devers getting blown away by 90 mph heat
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 1, 2023 20:14:55 GMT -5
To those who held out hope for this season --- this team for the entire season has looked like the 1974 Red Sox Redux. Seemed to outperform and do it with smoke and mirrors all season, until the team ran out of gas at the end of August. We just didn't have it this year. Yeah but just think we are going to have Lynn and Rice next year and it will be great!
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 1, 2023 20:15:13 GMT -5
Now Raffy's whiffing at 90 mph high fastballs
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 1, 2023 20:15:27 GMT -5
Sox look like they might be up 3 on the Yankees at night’s end. That might be too close for comfort. Higher draft pick isn’t a bad thing
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 1, 2023 20:15:35 GMT -5
What possible justification is there for taking Llovera out after two thirds of an inning? We have seven to go — why kill the entire bullpen when you can sacrifice one completely expendable arm? Walter is prob gonna throw 90+ pitches today. Llovera was just in to let Walter come into an easier situation
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2023 20:15:55 GMT -5
Raffy is really in a funk - 1 for 17 in the last 5.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 1, 2023 20:16:25 GMT -5
Sure take a victory lap even though he was very good for stretch where he was expected to be. He's pretty much paid for his contract off of WAR. Which ya WAR is whatever now. So you are telling me that when they signed him they figured ~8 good starts was what they were aiming for out of his 2 years of pay? And those 8 starts were worth having worse picks for X and Eovaldi? Ha generally I feel you and I are in agreement but saying Paxtons LT bill last year is why the X and Eovaldi deals weren't better picks then i kind of have to chuckle at that. They very easily could have got under that LT bill and kept Paxton. But I guess in a way you're correct. I like the your point of view most the time but we'll have to disagree when it comes to Paxton and that's okay.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 1, 2023 20:16:39 GMT -5
Please IL Devers. They let you do this for only 10 days. It's a nice feature.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 1, 2023 20:18:40 GMT -5
ok when can we sub in rafaela and abreu
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2023 20:19:46 GMT -5
If this ends up the blowout it seems, I really hope Cora finally gives in and just plays the kids to get some energy on this team for the rest of the season. Casas keeps having good at bats, as is Wong. But....bring on the kids, please.
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