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Patriots 2023 Season Thread
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Post by philarhody on Sept 17, 2023 22:43:58 GMT -5
And it's not just the OL with Mac. Stevenson wasn't getting anything going in the 1Half. Offense still needs balance or Mac is going to get killed. Did you think the line suddenly blocked well for Stevenson? |
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Post by cdj on Sept 17, 2023 22:44:59 GMT -5
I feel very similar watching the Sox
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Post by philarhody on Sept 17, 2023 22:45:09 GMT -5
When was the last time this team drafted a good offensive tackle? Was it really Nate Solder?
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Post by philarhody on Sept 17, 2023 22:48:25 GMT -5
Calvin Anderson made a 240 lb ponytailed dude named Van Ginkel look like Lawrence Taylor tonight. So that was a thing that actually happened.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2023 23:57:17 GMT -5
Worst play for Anderson, they use TE to chip block the defender and he still gets beat in like 1 second. Given the quick offense for passing, use Wheatley. At least he looked like a beast run blocking, which will help the offense.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 18, 2023 6:40:07 GMT -5
So how do we feel about Matt Patricia now? We now have a great OC, crazy long track record, no OL and it doesn't matter. If you can't run to help set up Mac Jones, you aren't going to have success. Everyone blamed coaching, all new coaches, they didn't fix the OL! It's a creative offense, it doesn't matter, our OL is getting mauled all game long. Even Andrews is being thrown around like a ragdoll.
I complained all offseason about the OL and look it's crap.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2023 7:04:06 GMT -5
So how do we feel about Matt Patricia now? We now have a great OC, crazy long track record, no OL and it doesn't matter. If you can't run to help set up Mac Jones, you aren't going to have success. Everyone blamed coaching, all new coaches, they didn't fix the OL! It's a creative offense, it doesn't matter, our OL is getting mauled all game long. Even Andrews is being thrown around like a ragdoll. I complained all offseason about the OL and look it's crap. I feel like the offense is functional and a thousand times better, but they're still not talented enough to beat real playoff contenders. The OL is still atrocious and believing Billy O was just going to fix everything was folly. The only talent this team went out to acquire was a guy with a bum knee. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2023 7:06:55 GMT -5
I believe only 10 teams have ever made the playoffs after losing the first 2.
Only 1 team ever has made the playoffs after losing the first two games when both were at home.
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Post by cdj on Sept 18, 2023 7:15:01 GMT -5
So how do we feel about Matt Patricia now? We now have a great OC, crazy long track record, no OL and it doesn't matter. If you can't run to help set up Mac Jones, you aren't going to have success. Everyone blamed coaching, all new coaches, they didn't fix the OL! It's a creative offense, it doesn't matter, our OL is getting mauled all game long. Even Andrews is being thrown around like a ragdoll. I complained all offseason about the OL and look it's crap. He is still awful, this offense looks far more functional even if they are still struggling to put up points (and I’d argue this offensive line is even worse than last years) At least receivers aren’t running into each other every other play and plays are getting in on-time |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 18, 2023 9:09:19 GMT -5
I believe only 10 teams have ever made the playoffs after losing the first 2. Only 1 team ever has made the playoffs after losing the first two games when both were at home. This was a sneaky must win. The trench play was bad on both sides of the ball. Thoroughly disappointing loss. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 18, 2023 9:10:05 GMT -5
Gonzalez is awesome in coverage. He was bad bad against the run last night.
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2023 9:36:31 GMT -5
Their offensive personnel is just not very good. One of the worst OLs in the league, mediocre skill position players and a QB who needs a strong system around him to thrive (struggles under pressure and more of a dink-and-dunk guy who struggles to consistently get chunk yardage).
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Post by mobaz on Sept 18, 2023 9:45:41 GMT -5
Andrew Callahan @_AndrewCallahan
The #Patriots averaged fewer than 4.4 yards per play when running and when passing from their two most common personnel groupings against Miami (11 and 12).
They ran 9 other plays outside those groupings.
That's about how it looked based on the eye test. Definitely better under BO'B, but nowhere near good. Hoping the OL can gel and we can see what we really have.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 18, 2023 10:07:16 GMT -5
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Post by asm19 on Sept 18, 2023 10:21:43 GMT -5
Me and a buddy were sending 2024 Mock Draft rankings to each other at halftime, and when Colorado's Shedeur Sanders to the Pats was brought up, we half-jokingly wondered if Coach Prime would come with him.
This team really feels like it would benefit from tanking for a year as like an organizational reset (and maybe you get a new higher ceiling QB in the draft as a result) - but Bill is chasing the Shula's wins record, so that's never going to happen.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2023 10:41:06 GMT -5
Me and a buddy were sending 2024 Mock Draft rankings to each other at halftime, and when Colorado's Shedeur Sanders to the Pats was brought up, we half-jokingly wondered if Coach Prime would come with him. This team really feels like it would benefit from tanking for a year as like an organizational reset (and maybe you get a new higher ceiling QB in the draft as a result) - but Bill is chasing the Shula's wins record, so that's never going to happen. At this rate Bill will need to coach until he's 95 to get his record. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 18, 2023 11:47:20 GMT -5
Their offensive personnel is just not very good. One of the worst OLs in the league, mediocre skill position players and a QB who needs a strong system around him to thrive (struggles under pressure and more of a dink-and-dunk guy who struggles to consistently get chunk yardage). Not sure I agree with that assessment on Mac. His receivers are mega sh*t, the OL is a joke and he's in the third OC in 3 years. And he still looks decent. Any QB would struggle under that much pressure and who on this roster can get chunk yardage? His career has been mismanaged to hell. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 18, 2023 11:51:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry, its early still but I have to ask the question.
The Red Sox are seemingly persona non grata in the Boston media sports scene.
They're deemed mediocre and boring (which they have been) and are considered irrelevant and not worthy of talking about
So they spend they're time, mostly 90% of it, whether it's the season or offseason, dissecting the Patriots.
My question is why? Aren't the Patriots every bit as mediocre and boring as the Red Sox?
Like the Sox, they lost their franchise player and really haven't been relevant since, but they continue to get all this attention, but the Sox dont.
So when does fan apathy for the Patriots set in? If indeed it already has for the Red Sox?
Is it Bill Belichicks sunny disposition and amazing insights that keeps the media coming back for more?
I guess I just dont get it. Does the Patriots do a better job of marketing to the lowest common denominator than the Red Sox do?
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2023 12:12:58 GMT -5
Their offensive personnel is just not very good. One of the worst OLs in the league, mediocre skill position players and a QB who needs a strong system around him to thrive (struggles under pressure and more of a dink-and-dunk guy who struggles to consistently get chunk yardage). Not sure I agree with that assessment on Mac. His receivers are mega sh*t, the OL is a joke and he's in the third OC in 3 years. And he still looks decent. Any QB would struggle under that much pressure and who on this roster can get chunk yardage? His career has been mismanaged to hell. I acknowledge all that in my original post, but good quarterbacks really ought to be able to elevate the players around them, and I don't see a whole lot of that from Mac. It's not a big problem if he's a league-average quarterback (can't really expect much more from him than that), but he is increasingly looking like just a league-average quarterback. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2023 12:42:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry, its early still but I have to ask the question. The Red Sox are seemingly persona non grata in the Boston media sports scene. They're deemed mediocre and boring (which they have been) and are considered irrelevant and not worthy of talking about So they spend they're time, mostly 90% of it, whether it's the season or offseason, dissecting the Patriots. My question is why? Aren't the Patriots every bit as mediocre and boring as the Red Sox? Like the Sox, they lost their franchise player and really haven't been relevant since, but they continue to get all this attention, but the Sox dont. So when does fan apathy for the Patriots set in? If indeed it already has for the Red Sox? Is it Bill Belichicks sunny disposition and amazing insights that keeps the media coming back for more? I guess I just dont get it. Does the Patriots do a better job of marketing to the lowest common denominator than the Red Sox do? I think people are very slowly losing their faith in Bill. If Josh McDaniels was the coach with these results, I think apathy would have set in by now. That and everyone knows the QB is the key to return to glory and people had high hopes for Mac with a real coordinator and a solid defense, but the OL is an abomination and Mac is league average. So, I don't think reality has set in for everyone yet. Plus, getting into the playoffs isn't improbable odds yet. The more they lose, the more apathetic I think people will get. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 18, 2023 13:09:46 GMT -5
Apathy re the Patriots set in for me as soon as Brady left and Cam came in - then Mac - then Patricia, etc. I foolishly listened to the presser with Bill B last night. Why do they even have them? He sounded like even he was bored with it all.
The whole chicken and egg thing - is it the talent? the speed? the coaching? etc etc - is a fully dead horse. It's the results - and the Patriots aren't achieving.
I do think the apathy will spread over time. It was a great run for both the Sox and the Pats, but that was then, this is now - and it ain't pretty.
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Post by cdj on Sept 18, 2023 14:04:43 GMT -5
I have higher hopes for the Red Sox being true contenders for a championship in the near future than I do the Patriots tbh
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2023 14:19:18 GMT -5
Apathy re the Patriots set in for me as soon as Brady left and Cam came in - then Mac - then Patricia, etc. I foolishly listened to the presser with Bill B last night. Why do they even have them? He sounded like even he was bored with it all. The whole chicken and egg thing - is it the talent? the speed? the coaching? etc etc - is a fully dead horse. It's the results - and the Patriots aren't achieving. I do think the apathy will spread over time. It was a great run for both the Sox and the Pats, but that was then, this is now - and it ain't pretty. Giving an attitude like Bill does is cute when he's winning. He's under .500 since Brady left so maybe he should be a little less of a jerk. Clearly Douglas entered the phantom zone after the fumble. Clearly Boutte was inactive because of the toe drag. These are easily recognizable things. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 18, 2023 14:42:10 GMT -5
I'm actually impressed with Mac Jones, he's going to need some time to fully get a new offense and with that OL, with no Running game. I don't think the weapons are a big issue. Pulling Douglas after a fumble was stupid. It's like people forget, some of Bradys worst games were when he was attacked like that! At this point in his career they were a run heavy team. Brady perfect 2007 on line in superbowl versus that Giants DL, our OL makes most teams look like that teams DL.
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Post by cdj on Sept 18, 2023 14:48:54 GMT -5
I'm actually impressed with Mac Jones, he's going to need some time to fully get a new offense and with that OL, with no Running game. I don't think the weapons are a big issue. Pulling Douglas after a fumble was stupid. It's like people forget, some of Bradys worst games were when he was attacked like that! At this point in his career they were a run heavy team. Brady perfect 2007 on line in superbowl versus that Giants DL, our OL makes most teams look like that teams DL. I genuinely think he’s been good so far. The two picks both involve the receiver sharing blame. First ball could have been caught even if it wasn’t a great pass. Second ball his mistake was committing before the snap he was taking the chance 1 on 1, I like the idea but you have to make sure the WR doesn’t get bodied off the snap and unfortunately Parker got absolutely dominated. So while he does deserve some blame for that Parker deserves the majority of it, just a totally uncompetitive play from him |
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