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Predicting The 2024 Opening Day Roster
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Post by nomar on Jan 8, 2024 13:38:12 GMT -5
1/6 Prediction Highlights- Trade for a RHH middle-of-the-order bat in Ward instead of overpaying for a free agent outfielder
- Attempt to address deficiencies at C by swapping Wong (and Schreiber) for Fermin
- Bolster the bullpen by signing Stephenson
- Acquire young, controllable SP in Cabrera and add Puk to fix bullpen imbalance in a "blockbuster" of sorts
- Trade Kenley for a pitching prospect
Position PlayersC: Fermin* 1B: Casas 2B/SS: Grissom SS/2B: Story 3B: Devers LF/DH: Yoshida RF/CF/LF: O'Neill LF/DH: Ward* RF: Abreu CF/SS: Rafaela 1B/3B/DH: Dalbec C: McGuire 2B/DH: Valdez Lineup vs RHP
1B Casas (L) 2B Grissom (R) 3B Devers (L) LF Ward (R) DH Yoshida (L) SS Story (R) RF Abreu (L) CF Rafaela (R) C McGuire (L) O'Neill (R) Valdez (L) Fermin (R) Dalbec (R) Lineup vs LHP2B Grissom (R) SS Story (R) 3B Devers (L) LF Ward (R) 1B Casas (L) RF O'Neill (R) DH Yoshida (L) CF Rafaela (R) C Fermin (R) Abreu (L) Valdez (L) McGuire (L) Dalbec (R) Starters
SP: Imanaga (5/$90MM) SP: Bello SP: Giolito SP: Pivetta SP: Cabrera* Relievers
CL: Martin SU: Puk* RP: Stephenson (2/$14MM) RP: Bernardino RP: Campbell LRP: Crawford LRP: Winckowski LRP: Whitlock Trades- Connor Wong + John Schreiber for Freddy Fermin (KCR) -> sheds $1.3MM
- Kenley Jansen + $8MM for Christian Scott (NYM) -> sheds $8.0MM
- Jarren Duran + Nick Yorke + Bryan Mata for Edward Cabrera + AJ Puk (MIA) -> adds $1.2MM
- Tanner Houck for Taylor Ward (LAA) -> adds $4.6MM
Notes: This would leave the payroll at roughly $223MM. Given recent reporting, I think it's reasonable to assume the team will be below the first CBT threshold again (and possibly close to the "mandated" $225MM in 2023).
I love the idea for trading for Fermin. Catcher is still begging for an upgrade IMO. I don’t know if KC would have any interest in dealing Fermin, but by all means he’d be a big improvement. Even Gary Sanchez would be. Wong and McGuire is a truly bad tandem despite Wong being a minor fan favorite around here.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jan 8, 2024 13:43:15 GMT -5
What about Harold Rameriz for RH bat? Rays shopping him supposably. He would fit nice as backup 1b, LF , DH
Absolutely massive pass on that one.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jan 9, 2024 13:03:17 GMT -5
Imanga Paxton Go 6 man rotation Sign whatever RH bat is cheap Trade jansen if you have to to make this happen.
Or sign Monty / snell With same RH cheap bat. Trade jansen if needed
Or Trade for a pitcher with at least 3 years of control. Sign solar Teade jansen if needed.
Seems like 3 paths to be compatative this year, not mortgage to much future value and keep payrole reasonable.
Its bad that we are hoping for 1 of these 3 outcomes. Very bad.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 10, 2024 11:27:31 GMT -5
So something that I feel like maybe isn't appreciated enough when we are discussing the Red Sox roster...over the last 24 months this organization had major decisions to make about the direction of this team. I want to go back to this tweet, from RedSoxPayroll, about the state of the team entering the 2022 season:
Prior to signing Story in 2022, the only players this organization had under contract beyond the 2024 season were Whitlock and Houck, plus young and unproven prospects in the high minors: Duran, Crawford, Casas, and Bello. Eovaldi, JDM and Xander were set to hit free agency after 2022, Devers the year after, Sale and Verdugo the year after that. Eduardo Rodriguez had just left. The roster was more or less a blank canvas and the team had to make decisions on what free agents to sign, what players to extend, what prospects to retain and give starting jobs to, what trades to make.
Flash forward to now and a lot of those roster decisions have been made. Devers, Story, Yoshida and Whitlock are all under contract through 2027. Casas, Bello, Duran, Houck and Crawford are all fairly well established major leaguers at this point and also under team control through at least 2027. Grissom, Abreu and maybe Rafaela probably fall in the category Duran, Casas and Bello were in 2 years ago - under team control but the jury is still out on if they are major league players. After moving Sale and Verdugo I would argue that there aren't any major pending free agents, unless you count Pivetta.
I guess what I am trying to say is, all of these decisions over the last 2 years laid the groundwork for the 2024-2026 teams in my eyes. And realistically I don't know how much of it can be changed. I know Bloom was fired but you can't really backtrack on these decisions just because a new executive is brought in. There could always be a crazy trade of course to try and get the Yoshida or Story contracts off the books, we saw that with Carl Crawford and then Price. But those types of trades don't really happen that often.
They will add another pitcher or 2 I am sure of it, who will join that group of players they have through 2027. But the awkward position the Sox are in I think is that the 2024-2025 teams are probably going to look a lot like the 2023 team, which won 78 games.
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Post by gerry on Jan 10, 2024 13:16:48 GMT -5
Yes the core for ‘24 is pretty set, and it’s a good core: Wong, Casas, Grissom, Devers, Story, Yoshida, Duran, Abreu, Rafaella. To that core add Refsnyder, McGuire, Reyes, Valdez, whomever. Add Turner or his replacement. Add maybe Teel, Mayer and more by September. Consider that Story and acclimated “sophomores” in Wong, Casas, Duran, Rafaella, Abreu plus Grissom are more likely than not to provide improvements at C, 1B, 2B, SS, LF, CF, RF. The position player component of the team will NOT repeat 2023. Halleluia.
The Bullpen looks stronger and deeper than in 2023. It should be a force … assuming the obvious, that the rotation improves and doesn’t suck the air out of the pen. Giolito, as a talented innings eater was a good step towards keeping the pen healthy.
A culture of pitching with Breslow, Bailey, et al has been established. They must know what must be done this off-season. It has been verbalized repeatedly by the FO.
The missing ingredients for contention in 2024 remain another pitcher or two. So, in order to disprove your promise of a perpetual 2023 Groundhog Day, the Red Sox MUST only sign a good pitcher or two. I am confident this will happen and that 2023 will become just another sad memory in this team’s long history.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 11, 2024 18:04:12 GMT -5
Here’s my hack at it:
SP 1: Giolitto SP 2: Bello SP 3: Lorenzen SP 4: Pivetta SP 5: Crawford
Bullpen:
Whitlock Houck Bernardino Campbell Martin Winckowski Weissert Schreiber
Lineup:
2B Grissom 3B Devers SS Story 1B Casas DH Yoshida CF O’Neill RF Abreu LF Duran C Wong
Bench:
UT Reyes 1B/3B/RF Dalbec OF Refsynder C McGuire
My guess is that Lorenzen is signed for 2 yr/$25-28 mil and that Kenley is traded for a SP prospect that still needs time in the minors.
I do think there’s a shot that Reyes is traded/released and Rafaela is slotted into the super utility role should he tear up spring training // rake in Worcester in April/May.
At this point, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they sign a RHH power bat unless one of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela is traded for pitching and I think there’s less than a 2% chance they sign Snell or Montgomery.
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Post by chaimtime on Jan 11, 2024 18:31:29 GMT -5
Here’s my hack at it: SP 1: Giolitto SP 2: Bello SP 3: Lorenzen SP 4: Pivetta SP 5: Crawford Bullpen: Whitlock Houck Bernardino Campbell Martin Winckowski Weissert Schreiber Lineup: 2B Grissom 3B Devers SS Story 1B Casas DH Yoshida CF O’Neill RF Abreu LF Duran C Wong Bench: UT Reyes 1B/3B/RF Dalbec OF Refsynder C McGuire My guess is that Lorenzen is signed for 2 yr/$25-28 mil and that Kenley is traded for a SP prospect that still needs time in the minors. I do think there’s a shot that Reyes is traded/released and Rafaela is slotted into the super utility role should he tear up spring training // rake in Worcester in April/May. At this point, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they sign a RHH power bat unless one of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela is traded for pitching and I think there’s less than a 2% chance they sign Snell or Montgomery. Lol, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they don’t add a righty bat and I think the odds are much better that they sign Snell or Montgomery than Lorenzen at that price. Guess that just goes to show how much more of the offseason there is to play out.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jan 11, 2024 18:35:21 GMT -5
Really like that roster. Three pitchers who are #3 but who each could have a #2 season and two innings eaters to stabilize what looks like a very good pen. Improved overall defense, maybe not as much pop but decent/improved OBP and baserunning. Gives a good look to a number of young players in case a trade deadline deal emerges (either because the team is in serious contention or someone else offers something too good to miss). I will be excited to see how that teams works out.
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Post by bosoxkc on Jan 11, 2024 18:46:33 GMT -5
Here’s my hack at it: SP 1: Giolitto SP 2: Bello SP 3: Lorenzen SP 4: Pivetta SP 5: Crawford Bullpen: Whitlock Houck Bernardino Campbell Martin Winckowski Weissert Schreiber Lineup: 2B Grissom 3B Devers SS Story 1B Casas DH Yoshida CF O’Neill RF Abreu LF Duran C Wong Bench: UT Reyes 1B/3B/RF Dalbec OF Refsynder C McGuire My guess is that Lorenzen is signed for 2 yr/$25-28 mil and that Kenley is traded for a SP prospect that still needs time in the minors. I do think there’s a shot that Reyes is traded/released and Rafaela is slotted into the super utility role should he tear up spring training // rake in Worcester in April/May. At this point, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they sign a RHH power bat unless one of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela is traded for pitching and I think there’s less than a 2% chance they sign Snell or Montgomery. Lol, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they don’t add a righty bat and I think the odds are much better that they sign Snell or Montgomery than Lorenzen at that price. Guess that just goes to show how much more of the offseason there is to play out. Add: Montgomery $25M Stephenson $8M Wicks $10M Duval $7M Sanchez $5M (Lorenzen gets $10M) May be wrong but I get $190M + $20M Retained Salaries + $23M Other Costs = $233M
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Post by bosoxkc on Jan 11, 2024 18:48:18 GMT -5
Also, most likely trade Houck and use Valdez instead of Reyes.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 11, 2024 19:04:40 GMT -5
Here’s my hack at it: SP 1: Giolitto SP 2: Bello SP 3: Lorenzen SP 4: Pivetta SP 5: Crawford Bullpen: Whitlock Houck Bernardino Campbell Martin Winckowski Weissert Schreiber Lineup: 2B Grissom 3B Devers SS Story 1B Casas DH Yoshida CF O’Neill RF Abreu LF Duran C Wong Bench: UT Reyes 1B/3B/RF Dalbec OF Refsynder C McGuire My guess is that Lorenzen is signed for 2 yr/$25-28 mil and that Kenley is traded for a SP prospect that still needs time in the minors. I do think there’s a shot that Reyes is traded/released and Rafaela is slotted into the super utility role should he tear up spring training // rake in Worcester in April/May. At this point, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they sign a RHH power bat unless one of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela is traded for pitching and I think there’s less than a 2% chance they sign Snell or Montgomery. Lol, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they don’t add a righty bat and I think the odds are much better that they sign Snell or Montgomery than Lorenzen at that price. Guess that just goes to show how much more of the offseason there is to play out. Then who are you suggesting this theoretical RHH bat replace in the lineup I’ve listed? Also, purposely overshot Lorenzen’s guarantee here as he’s probably looking for 3-4 years. Reasonably it might be more around 2 yrs/$22 mil
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 11, 2024 19:05:35 GMT -5
Also, most likely trade Houck and use Valdez instead of Reyes. No thanks on Valdez. He’s an incompetent defender and a platoon bat.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 11, 2024 19:06:56 GMT -5
Lol, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they don’t add a righty bat and I think the odds are much better that they sign Snell or Montgomery than Lorenzen at that price. Guess that just goes to show how much more of the offseason there is to play out. Add: Montgomery $25M Stephenson $8M Wicks $10M Duval $7M Sanchez $5M (Lorenzen gets $10M) May be wrong but I get $190M + $20M Retained Salaries + $23M Other Costs = $233M Current payroll is @ $201 million. They’re not signing any of these guys outside of maybe Duvall and Lorenzen.
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Post by chaimtime on Jan 11, 2024 19:51:51 GMT -5
Lol, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they don’t add a righty bat and I think the odds are much better that they sign Snell or Montgomery than Lorenzen at that price. Guess that just goes to show how much more of the offseason there is to play out. Then who are you suggesting this theoretical RHH bat replace in the lineup I’ve listed? Also, purposely overshot Lorenzen’s guarantee here as he’s probably looking for 3-4 years. Reasonably it might be more around 2 yrs/$22 mil Hard to say because I think this collection of outfielders is best served by a lot of mixing and matching—they’re all probably better off getting 450ish PAs than 600. If Abreu gets 50+ PAs against lefties this year, for example, I’d see that as a roster-building and/or managerial error. Along that same line of thinking, I expect O’Neill to be the regular right fielder against lefties, and then hopping around the outfield against righties based on matchups. And I expect Yoshida to get a good amount of time in left, and likewise for Duran. Between the 3 OF spots and DH, that’s 2500ish PAs to go around, they should be able to fit a fifth bat in there. As for Lorenzen, I just straight up don’t think he’s particularly good and would genuinely prefer giving Houck or Whitlock another shot in the rotation to signing him.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 11, 2024 21:05:02 GMT -5
Then who are you suggesting this theoretical RHH bat replace in the lineup I’ve listed? Also, purposely overshot Lorenzen’s guarantee here as he’s probably looking for 3-4 years. Reasonably it might be more around 2 yrs/$22 mil Hard to say because I think this collection of outfielders is best served by a lot of mixing and matching—they’re all probably better off getting 450ish PAs than 600. If Abreu gets 50+ PAs against lefties this year, for example, I’d see that as a roster-building and/or managerial error. Along that same line of thinking, I expect O’Neill to be the regular right fielder against lefties, and then hopping around the outfield against righties based on matchups. And I expect Yoshida to get a good amount of time in left, and likewise for Duran. Between the 3 OF spots and DH, that’s 2500ish PAs to go around, they should be able to fit a fifth bat in there. As for Lorenzen, I just straight up don’t think he’s particularly good and would genuinely prefer giving Houck or Whitlock another shot in the rotation to signing him. I encourage you to check out this informative post on Lorenzen: Lots to like and a bunch of stuff Bailey could help improve.
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Post by chaimtime on Jan 11, 2024 21:22:55 GMT -5
Hard to say because I think this collection of outfielders is best served by a lot of mixing and matching—they’re all probably better off getting 450ish PAs than 600. If Abreu gets 50+ PAs against lefties this year, for example, I’d see that as a roster-building and/or managerial error. Along that same line of thinking, I expect O’Neill to be the regular right fielder against lefties, and then hopping around the outfield against righties based on matchups. And I expect Yoshida to get a good amount of time in left, and likewise for Duran. Between the 3 OF spots and DH, that’s 2500ish PAs to go around, they should be able to fit a fifth bat in there. As for Lorenzen, I just straight up don’t think he’s particularly good and would genuinely prefer giving Houck or Whitlock another shot in the rotation to signing him. I encourage you to check out this informative post on Lorenzen: Lots to like and a bunch of stuff Bailey could help improve. All I see is a guy who throws a lot of strikes. That’s nice, but there’s very little else about him that’s remarkable. He’s 32 years old, has a short track record as a starter and has never been more than a fifth starter type. Maybe Andrew Bailey can help him improve but I’d rather he help the cheap twenty-somethings they already have lying around.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 12, 2024 8:55:58 GMT -5
Then who are you suggesting this theoretical RHH bat replace in the lineup I’ve listed? Also, purposely overshot Lorenzen’s guarantee here as he’s probably looking for 3-4 years. Reasonably it might be more around 2 yrs/$22 mil Hard to say because I think this collection of outfielders is best served by a lot of mixing and matching—they’re all probably better off getting 450ish PAs than 600. If Abreu gets 50+ PAs against lefties this year, for example, I’d see that as a roster-building and/or managerial error. Along that same line of thinking, I expect O’Neill to be the regular right fielder against lefties, and then hopping around the outfield against righties based on matchups. And I expect Yoshida to get a good amount of time in left, and likewise for Duran. Between the 3 OF spots and DH, that’s 2500ish PAs to go around, they should be able to fit a fifth bat in there. As for Lorenzen, I just straight up don’t think he’s particularly good and would genuinely prefer giving Houck or Whitlock another shot in the rotation to signing him. Agree with this. For all the talk about moving Yoshida to DH, I feel like people are forgetting that he is our most dependable outfielder because he can hit, and in particular he is a lefty that can hit left-handed pitching. Duran, O'Neill, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder all have bigger question marks around them on whether you can trust them to hold down a starting job. Duran has a short track record of success at the major league level, Tyler O'Neill is coming off 2 very poor years, Abreu may not be able to hit lefties, and Rafaela's approach may be his undoing. You could move Yoshida to DH, and I think an outfield of O'Neill, Duran, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder could be fine, but I could also see the Sox getting burned pretty bad with how unproven that group of players is.
I think Breslow goes out and gets a right-handed bat who will mostly DH, keep Yoshida in LF, and deal one of Duran or Rafaela. This Michael Busch trade the Dodgers-Cubs just did seems exactly the type of deal I could see Rafaela in.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2024 10:39:45 GMT -5
Hard to say because I think this collection of outfielders is best served by a lot of mixing and matching—they’re all probably better off getting 450ish PAs than 600. If Abreu gets 50+ PAs against lefties this year, for example, I’d see that as a roster-building and/or managerial error. Along that same line of thinking, I expect O’Neill to be the regular right fielder against lefties, and then hopping around the outfield against righties based on matchups. And I expect Yoshida to get a good amount of time in left, and likewise for Duran. Between the 3 OF spots and DH, that’s 2500ish PAs to go around, they should be able to fit a fifth bat in there. As for Lorenzen, I just straight up don’t think he’s particularly good and would genuinely prefer giving Houck or Whitlock another shot in the rotation to signing him. Agree with this. For all the talk about moving Yoshida to DH, I feel like people are forgetting that he is our most dependable outfielder because he can hit, and in particular he is a lefty that can hit left-handed pitching. Duran, O'Neill, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder all have bigger question marks around them on whether you can trust them to hold down a starting job. Duran has a short track record of success at the major league level, Tyler O'Neill is coming off 2 very poor years, Abreu may not be able to hit lefties, and Rafaela's approach may be his undoing. You could move Yoshida to DH, and I think an outfield of O'Neill, Duran, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder could be fine, but I could also see the Sox getting burned pretty bad with how unproven that group of players is.
I think Breslow goes out and gets a right-handed bat who will mostly DH, keep Yoshida in LF, and deal one of Duran or Rafaela. This Michael Busch trade the Dodgers-Cubs just did seems exactly the type of deal I could see Rafaela in.
I really would hope the Sox would not entertain trading Rafaela in a deal to create a 40 man spot for a couple of low minor lotto tickets. I feel like Rafaela probably has a fair amount more value than Busch does, Busch might not be an MLBer due to having no position right now so his bat is going to need to really carry him. Rafaela's floor is a cheap 4th OFer who can give you gold glove caliber defense in CF while also being able to pitch in as a capable MI. That should be a really valuable player worthy of more than some lotto tickets.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 12, 2024 10:55:07 GMT -5
Agree with this. For all the talk about moving Yoshida to DH, I feel like people are forgetting that he is our most dependable outfielder because he can hit, and in particular he is a lefty that can hit left-handed pitching. Duran, O'Neill, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder all have bigger question marks around them on whether you can trust them to hold down a starting job. Duran has a short track record of success at the major league level, Tyler O'Neill is coming off 2 very poor years, Abreu may not be able to hit lefties, and Rafaela's approach may be his undoing. You could move Yoshida to DH, and I think an outfield of O'Neill, Duran, Abreu, Rafaela and Refsnyder could be fine, but I could also see the Sox getting burned pretty bad with how unproven that group of players is.
I think Breslow goes out and gets a right-handed bat who will mostly DH, keep Yoshida in LF, and deal one of Duran or Rafaela. This Michael Busch trade the Dodgers-Cubs just did seems exactly the type of deal I could see Rafaela in.
I really would hope the Sox would not entertain trading Rafaela in a deal to create a 40 man spot for a couple of low minor lotto tickets. I feel like Rafaela probably has a fair amount more value than Busch does, Busch might not be an MLBer due to having no position right now so his bat is going to need to really carry him. Rafaela's floor is a cheap 4th OFer who can give you gold glove caliber defense in CF while also being able to pitch in as a capable MI. That should be a really valuable player worthy of more than some lotto tickets. Agree on the first part that the return the Dodgers got is not something the Red Sox would be looking for, I more meant that it was a 'fit' trade, where Busch had value but wouldn't be getting playing time so they used him to strengthen another area of org. But on the second I disagree, I think they have very similar value. Both are top 100 talents who are probably starters at the major league level but not slam dunks. I would also put the Grissom trade in this bucket too. I would put Grissom, Busch and Rafaela on roughly the same level value-wise.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2024 11:10:17 GMT -5
I really would hope the Sox would not entertain trading Rafaela in a deal to create a 40 man spot for a couple of low minor lotto tickets. I feel like Rafaela probably has a fair amount more value than Busch does, Busch might not be an MLBer due to having no position right now so his bat is going to need to really carry him. Rafaela's floor is a cheap 4th OFer who can give you gold glove caliber defense in CF while also being able to pitch in as a capable MI. That should be a really valuable player worthy of more than some lotto tickets. Agree on the first part that the return the Dodgers got is not something the Red Sox would be looking for, I more meant that it was a 'fit' trade, where Busch had value but wouldn't be getting playing time so they used him to strengthen another area of org. But on the second I disagree, I think they have very similar value. Both are top 100 talents who are probably starters at the major league level but not slam dunks. I would also put the Grissom trade in this bucket too. I would put Grissom, Busch and Rafaela on roughly the same level value-wise.Very much disagree with this part. Busch and Almonte who is a capable low leverage ML caliber RP with two years of control left brought back two low minor lotto tickets. Grissom brought back a basically free Chris Sale. To me a free Chris Sale is worth a heck of a lot more than two low minor lotto tickets so Grissom's value would appear to be higher than Busch's by a fair amount based off their returns. It's not necessarily apples to apples comparison since the situations of the trades were different since the LAD needed to the clear 40 man spot but they could have done it in other ways if they were that high on Busch. Meanwhile the Braves needed an SP and Grissom is blocked by Albies at 2nd. To me Rafaela is going to be a ML caliber player no matter what with his defensive capabilities who is still just 23 so he's got some room for projection. Busch is a 26 year old bat first 2nd/3rd baseman who put up -4 OAA in just 99 innings at 3rd base in the majors last year.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 12, 2024 11:40:55 GMT -5
Agree on the first part that the return the Dodgers got is not something the Red Sox would be looking for, I more meant that it was a 'fit' trade, where Busch had value but wouldn't be getting playing time so they used him to strengthen another area of org. But on the second I disagree, I think they have very similar value. Both are top 100 talents who are probably starters at the major league level but not slam dunks. I would also put the Grissom trade in this bucket too. I would put Grissom, Busch and Rafaela on roughly the same level value-wise.Very much disagree with this part. Busch and Almonte who is a capable low leverage ML caliber RP with two years of control left brought back two low minor lotto tickets. Grissom brought back a basically free Chris Sale. To me a free Chris Sale is worth a heck of a lot more than two low minor lotto tickets so Grissom's value would appear to be higher than Busch's by a fair amount based off their returns. It's not necessarily apples to apples comparison since the situations of the trades were different since the LAD needed to the clear 40 man spot but they could have done it in other ways if they were that high on Busch. Meanwhile the Braves needed an SP and Grissom is blocked by Albies at 2nd. To me Rafaela is going to be a ML caliber player no matter what with his defensive capabilities who is still just 23 so he's got some room for projection. Busch is a 26 year old bat first 2nd/3rd baseman who put up -4 OAA in just 99 innings at 3rd base in the majors last year. Maybe I'm off on Busch's value. I'll admit it was a very weird trade the Dodgers made.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2024 11:45:33 GMT -5
Very much disagree with this part. Busch and Almonte who is a capable low leverage ML caliber RP with two years of control left brought back two low minor lotto tickets. Grissom brought back a basically free Chris Sale. To me a free Chris Sale is worth a heck of a lot more than two low minor lotto tickets so Grissom's value would appear to be higher than Busch's by a fair amount based off their returns. It's not necessarily apples to apples comparison since the situations of the trades were different since the LAD needed to the clear 40 man spot but they could have done it in other ways if they were that high on Busch. Meanwhile the Braves needed an SP and Grissom is blocked by Albies at 2nd. To me Rafaela is going to be a ML caliber player no matter what with his defensive capabilities who is still just 23 so he's got some room for projection. Busch is a 26 year old bat first 2nd/3rd baseman who put up -4 OAA in just 99 innings at 3rd base in the majors last year. Maybe I'm off on Busch's value. I'll admit it was a very weird trade the Dodgers made. I'd have figured he'd have brought back something more as well but from what I read the pitcher they got back does have a lot of upside so perhaps the Dodgers just really zero'd in on him. Who knows though, probably getting into the weeds on the whole thing. I agree overall I could see Rafaela being dealt to bring back a pitcher or something. I thought I read something a little while ago that some execs feel like Rafaela is one of the Sox better trade chips.
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Post by chaimtime on Jan 12, 2024 14:10:16 GMT -5
Maybe I'm off on Busch's value. I'll admit it was a very weird trade the Dodgers made. I'd have figured he'd have brought back something more as well but from what I read the pitcher they got back does have a lot of upside so perhaps the Dodgers just really zero'd in on him. Who knows though, probably getting into the weeds on the whole thing. I agree overall I could see Rafaela being dealt to bring back a pitcher or something. I thought I read something a little while ago that some execs feel like Rafaela is one of the Sox better trade chips. those guys they brought back aren’t nothing lottery tickets to be fair, they’re two teenagers with huge upside. Obviously any teenager has a ton of risk but both of those guys were tough for Chicago to give up and have the potential to be very good players down the line. Busch was totally blocked in LA, so it’s a deal that makes sense for both sides.
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2024 14:17:00 GMT -5
I am doing the Price is Right $1 bid: I say we are looking at our opening day roster.
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Post by redsox3in10 on Jan 12, 2024 14:20:29 GMT -5
I am doing the Price is Right $1 bid: I say we are looking at our opening day roster. I think that is more and more likely. I still think we may add Paxton and perhaps Soler if the price is right. But doing nothing certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point.
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