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5/2 ML Gameday Thread: Drive in the AM; Ranaudo for the Dogs
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 2, 2013 17:08:16 GMT -5
I hope people are prepared for the ridiculous tear Bogaerts is about to go on. Don't hurt em, Xander. .390/.490/.659 in his last 10 |
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Post by burythehammer on May 2, 2013 17:10:57 GMT -5
No. He's gonna make that look like an Iglesias stat line.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 2, 2013 17:41:16 GMT -5
Lavarnway in June? July? 2011 has the record for Portland "holy cow" hot streak. Seemed like a 3-4, HR, 2B every single night.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2013 17:48:06 GMT -5
Rudimentary look at the Dutch theory:
Jonathan Schoop: Overall line of .222/.315/.321, Last 10: .324/.425/.441
Andrelton Simmons: Overall .231/.287/.319, Last 10: .297/.325/.405
Curt Smith: Overall .280/.362/.400, Last 10: .279/.372/.389
Shairon Martis: 12 walks in first three games, 8.2 ip; 1 walk in last three, 9.0 ip.
Might have some legs, of course with a SSS alert. Smith seems fine, but the others came out of the gate rocky.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2013 17:59:36 GMT -5
Lavarnway in June? July? 2011 has the record for Portland "holy cow" hot streak. Seemed like a 3-4, HR, 2B every single night. You weren't here for Bubba Bell in Lancaster were you? Those numbers were stupid. I remember talking to Hazen in Pawtucket and he admitted they had no idea what to make of the numbers midway through that first year. Six players in the system in 2007 hit 20 home runs - they were all in Lancaster for some length of time. In the non-Lancaster category, I'll toss out Chih-Hsien Chiang, July 2011 as the standard: 100 at-bats, .430/.500/.740, 5 HR, 16 2B, 7 BB (Lavarnway was .362/.442/.724 with 9 HR that month) Another good one: Jeff Bailey, May 2008: 109 at-bats, .339/.430/.798, 13 HR, 7 2B, 17 BB Crazy thing, same month: Chris Carter: 105 at-bats, .352/.395/.686, 10 HR, 5 2B, 7 BB Also Jonathan Van Every hit 12 home runs in June 2008. It's funny, looking at the numbers, Cecchini is up there with those guys. .392/.478/.709. Only 79 at-bats though. Helped by the fact he had four triples. |
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 2, 2013 17:59:44 GMT -5
In the first ten days or so,
Roger Bernadina (MLB) : 0.250 (OPS)
Andrelton Simmons (MLB) : 0.578
Jurickson Profar (AAA) : 0.659
Jonathan Schoop (AAA) : 0.492
Xander Bogaerts (AA) : 0.420
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2013 18:01:25 GMT -5
Profar was only with the Dutch team for three games - I wouldn't even include him.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 2, 2013 18:29:34 GMT -5
Lavarnway in June? July? 2011 has the record for Portland "holy cow" hot streak. Seemed like a 3-4, HR, 2B every single night. You weren't here for Bubba Bell in Lancaster were you? Those numbers were stupid. I remember talking to Hazen in Pawtucket and he admitted they had no idea what to make of the numbers midway through that first year. Six players in the system in 2007 hit 20 home runs - they were all in Lancaster for some length of time. In the non-Lancaster category, I'll toss out Chih-Hsien Chiang, July 2011 as the standard: 100 at-bats, .430/.500/.740, 5 HR, 16 2B, 7 BB (Lavarnway was .362/.442/.724 with 9 HR that month) Another good one: Jeff Bailey, May 2008: 109 at-bats, .339/.430/.798, 13 HR, 7 2B, 17 BB Crazy thing, same month: Chris Carter: 105 at-bats, .352/.395/.686, 10 HR, 5 2B, 7 BB Also Jonathan Van Every hit 12 home runs in June 2008. It's funny, looking at the numbers, Cecchini is up there with those guys. .392/.478/.709. Only 79 at-bats though. Helped by the fact he had four triples. Where art thou Brad Correll |
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 2, 2013 20:08:54 GMT -5
In the first ten days or so, Roger Bernadina (MLB) : 0.250 (OPS) Andrelton Simmons (MLB) : 0.578 Jurickson Profar (AAA) : 0.659 Jonathan Schoop (AAA) : 0.492 Xander Bogaerts (AA) : 0.420 So, it doesn't prove causality, but the statement "all the Dutch guys started slow" seems objectively true. Oh, and those Lancaster days seem like a weird dream at this point ... stupid numbers all the time. And what was the name of the Lancaster fan who doggedly defended the place here? Always liked her ... |
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Post by soxfan06 on May 2, 2013 20:15:30 GMT -5
Xander Xone
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Post by amfox1 on May 2, 2013 20:45:57 GMT -5
Hernandez pitched two innings in relief of Aceves and Breslow. Apparently, this was not a permanent switch to the bullpen, but it was odd. He may piggyback Aceves going forward. Webster pitches tomorrow.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 2, 2013 20:59:45 GMT -5
Even if the long term expectation is for Hernandez to end up in the pen, no need to turn him into a RP now. See if he can be a decent SP, potentially trade bait for a lower tier team. There are plenty of RPs on the 40 man roster, and he's not likely going to be needed this year anyways
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Post by bjb406 on May 2, 2013 21:53:48 GMT -5
He is bound to be squeezed out of the rotation at some point this year anyway, with Barnes, Ranaudo, and Workman all realistic candidates to be promoted at some point mid season.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 2, 2013 22:18:51 GMT -5
My main man Couch had a rough line giving up 3 runs in 2.2 innings, but no worries since he didn't issue a BB and had 3 K's. Don't stop believing guys.
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Post by bjb406 on May 2, 2013 22:27:06 GMT -5
Just when I think maybe Brentz is getting his shit together and learning how to have at least an acceptable number of strikeouts (just 3 in his last 8 games, or 35 PA), he gives us a golden sombrero. I really want to be able to say he should get called up soon, but the red sox already strike out too much.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on May 2, 2013 22:34:30 GMT -5
Ranaudo gives up a solo shot and is pulled in the 6th. Sea Dogs lead 7-1. I know we have a couple recent observations on Renaudo, but it's hard not to think a mild, positive turn is happening based on the past couple outings. Would love to know if the stuff is catching up to the stats . . . |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 5:08:42 GMT -5
Ranaudo gives up a solo shot and is pulled in the 6th. Sea Dogs lead 7-1. I know we have a couple recent observations on Renaudo, but it's hard not to think a mild, positive turn is happening based on the past couple outings. Would love to know if the stuff is catching up to the stats . . . According to what I've read there is stuff behind the stats. Has possibly three major league pitches and the curve can be plus. There are a couple if things to keep in mind though. He still has work to do on the development front. He also has a long history of injury. To be considered for the majors he's going to have to show his good stuff for two years. He's been doing it for a month. |
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Post by hammerhead on May 3, 2013 7:40:07 GMT -5
Even if the long term expectation is for Hernandez to end up in the pen, no need to turn him into a RP now. See if he can be a decent SP, potentially trade bait for a lower tier team. There are plenty of RPs on the 40 man roster, and he's not likely going to be needed this year anyways I disagree, but just by a little... The biggest need right now for the sox is another Clayton Mortensen. A guy who could give you a bunch of innings if your starter craps the bed, or could be used in one or two inning stints in low leverage. Hernandez could probably do that with very little adjustment very soon. In a perfect world, I'd keep Hernandez starting, but the fact that Pawtucket has plenty of SP and the fact that there is a major league need in the foreseeable future for something Hernandez could be, I'd start breaking him in in that role. Remember Morales probably isn't coming back anytime soon. He'd be the guy you could use in that role. Aceves is the other one, but he is..... Aceves |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 3, 2013 8:16:04 GMT -5
I hope people are prepared for the ridiculous tear Bogaerts is about to go on. Don't hurt em, Xander. The PAs are just about equal (100ish), so I figure it's time to make this comparison: Xander, AA, '12: 1.00 BB%, 21.6 K%, .272 ISO Xander, AA, '13: 10.9 BB%, 24.8 K%, .101 ISO He's still adjusting to higher level pitching. But he is adjusting, and as he does, we're going to start seeing his natural ability with the bat play in games again. And it's gonna be fun. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 3, 2013 8:18:56 GMT -5
Even if the long term expectation is for Hernandez to end up in the pen, no need to turn him into a RP now. See if he can be a decent SP, potentially trade bait for a lower tier team. There are plenty of RPs on the 40 man roster, and he's not likely going to be needed this year anyways I disagree, but just by a little... The biggest need right now for the sox is another Clayton Mortensen. A guy who could give you a bunch of innings if your starter craps the bed, or could be used in one or two inning stints in low leverage. Hernandez could probably do that with very little adjustment very soon. In a perfect world, I'd keep Hernandez starting, but the fact that Pawtucket has plenty of SP and the fact that there is a major league need in the foreseeable future for something Hernandez could be, I'd start breaking him in in that role. Remember Morales probably isn't coming back anytime soon. He'd be the guy you could use in that role. Aceves is the other one, but he is..... Aceves Let's get Chris Martin up to AAA and see what he does there. Might be able to replace Mortenson when/if Clay develops arm troubles. |
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Post by awall on May 3, 2013 9:52:00 GMT -5
Speaking of Chris Martin, is this guy going to be back in the top 60 for this site soon?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 3, 2013 10:41:05 GMT -5
I wonder if it's an oversight. The powers that be can't believe he's not one of the top60 prospects at this point.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 3, 2013 15:59:58 GMT -5
Even if the long term expectation is for Hernandez to end up in the pen, no need to turn him into a RP now. See if he can be a decent SP, potentially trade bait for a lower tier team. There are plenty of RPs on the 40 man roster, and he's not likely going to be needed this year anyways I've always been an advocate of keeping Chris Hernandez in the starting rotation, and if they believe he can be a back end starter, keep him there. But, LH relief pitching has been a big weakness of the squad so far this season. I though Andrew Miller pitched very well last season, but his control is out of hand, once again, and every time he's called upon, I cringe. Additionally, as hammerhead said, Morales doesn't appear to be making an emergence anytime soon, and Breslow has pitched terribly in the minors. So far this season the pen has pitched at a high level vs LHP's (Uehara: .302OPSA, Bailey: .310OPSA, Wilson: .321OPSA, Mortensen: .599OPSA, Tazawa: .626OPSA), but none of them are LHP's. Obviously, this is great, but it doesn't give Farrell the freedom to create lefty vs lefty scenarios against lefty batters with significant splits. IF, and a big if, Boston feels that Hernandez can be effective in shorts stints (<2IP) where he'd face LH batters mainly, then make the transition NOW so that he can help the big league club later in the season. FWIW Hernandez has been very effective against lefties since the start of the 2012 season (38.2IP, 2.59ERA, 27K/9BB), so it's not like this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, this hinges on Morales missing significant time and Breslow being somewhat ineffective, but Boston is a legit threat this season, so the value Hernandez creates out of the pen may outweigh the long term value of keeping him in the rotation. |
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