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Post by ramireja on May 8, 2024 12:52:50 GMT -5
I guess you could say his Red Sox tenure was… brief ExZackly
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Post by cdj on May 8, 2024 12:54:20 GMT -5
hopefully he clears and stays, seems like a nice glove
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Post by nonothing on May 25, 2024 21:23:33 GMT -5
Who is expected to take Whitlock's spot on 40 man? Luetge to try to create value for LHRP to trade before deadline?
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Post by nonothing on May 25, 2024 21:34:16 GMT -5
Who is expected to take Whitlock's spot on 40 man? Luetge to try to create value for LHRP to trade before deadline? And I ask that because that also would avoid needing to drop somebody younger later when Hendricks will need to be added later this yr. I do assume they will trade 1-4 veteran arms later this year depending on where they stand, but this seems like the easiest add without needing to make calls on some of the AAA guys who are maybe close, but not quite ready yet.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2024 21:40:24 GMT -5
The 40-man is at 39 and they have both Whitlock and Mata they can put on the 60-day IL.
You don't need to add someone to the 40-man just to add someone to the 40-man. They'll add someone when they call someone up to the MLB club.
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Post by nonothing on May 25, 2024 21:47:30 GMT -5
The 40-man is at 39 and they have both Whitlock and Mata they can put on the 60-day IL. You don't need to add someone to the 40-man just to add someone to the 40-man. They'll add someone when they call someone up to the MLB club. I know you are a mod, but don't need to talk down. Relievers get promoted and demoted all the time. The point was that they have space (and created more today), they are likely starting to think about the trade deadline and not just the draft. Leutge is a wasting asset if not promoted. And they will want to manage innings of some of the younger guys in the pen. So yes, they will make moves when they "need" to or want to. Maybe I am really asking since they have space, why wouldn't they first go Leutge when they "need" an arm, for whatever reason. The comment was meant to hear what others think they might do.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2024 22:20:48 GMT -5
The 40-man is at 39 and they have both Whitlock and Mata they can put on the 60-day IL. You don't need to add someone to the 40-man just to add someone to the 40-man. They'll add someone when they call someone up to the MLB club. I know you are a mod, but don't need to talk down. Relievers get promoted and demoted all the time. The point was that they have space (and created more today), they are likely starting to think about the trade deadline and not just the draft. Leutge is a wasting asset if not promoted. And they will want to manage innings of some of the younger guys in the pen. So yes, they will make moves when they "need" to or want to. Maybe I am really asking since they have space, why wouldn't they first go Leutge when they "need" an arm, for whatever reason. The comment was meant to hear what others think they might do. I didn't talk down to you and I'm sorry if it came off that way, although I don't think that's a reading of what I wrote that makes a lot of sense, if I'm being honest. You asked a question and I answered it. No disrespect meant at all. You asked who they were going to add to the 40-man to take Whitlock's spot and I said nobody because that's the answer. There has been an open 40-man spot for like 3 weeks now they haven't filed because they haven't needed to. Will they at some point? Sure. Nothing imminent though. If you're asking about Luetge, a different question, he's been OK and yeah, might get a shot at some point, but I don't think he's dominating enough that his call up is imminent. Is there any reason you think keeping him in Worcester as depth is a problem? Isaiah Campbell is on a rehab assignment, so he's close. Either he'll get activated and they'll push someone like Kelly back to AAA, where he'll be the first guy up if they need someone, or he'll get optioned and be that guy.
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Post by nonothing on May 26, 2024 0:39:51 GMT -5
I know you are a mod, but don't need to talk down. Relievers get promoted and demoted all the time. The point was that they have space (and created more today), they are likely starting to think about the trade deadline and not just the draft. Leutge is a wasting asset if not promoted. And they will want to manage innings of some of the younger guys in the pen. So yes, they will make moves when they "need" to or want to. Maybe I am really asking since they have space, why wouldn't they first go Leutge when they "need" an arm, for whatever reason. The comment was meant to hear what others think they might do. I didn't talk down to you and I'm sorry if it came off that way, although I don't think that's a reading of what I wrote that makes a lot of sense, if I'm being honest. You asked a question and I answered it. No disrespect meant at all. You asked who they were going to add to the 40-man to take Whitlock's spot and I said nobody because that's the answer. There has been an open 40-man spot for like 3 weeks now they haven't filed because they haven't needed to. Will they at some point? Sure. Nothing imminent though. If you're asking about Luetge, a different question, he's been OK and yeah, might get a shot at some point, but I don't think he's dominating enough that his call up is imminent. Is there any reason you think keeping him in Worcester as depth is a problem? Isaiah Campbell is on a rehab assignment, so he's close. Either he'll get activated and they'll push someone like Kelly back to AAA, where he'll be the first guy up if they need someone, or he'll get optioned and be that guy. Fair enough on the spots point. I think Luetge is a potential guy who could have value at the deadline that they might want to transact. Campbell is a guy they want as depth, and I figure he will be back up whenever an injury or trade happens. But if you believe it is likely that Martin and Jansen get dealt if the Sox don't improve their standing soon (and I certainly believe that), then with no room on the 40-man, you could easily say the next likely guys up to the MLB bullpen would probably be Campbell and Winckowski (or Campbell and Horn, if you believe they want both Uwasawa and Winck stretched out as SP in case of injury and potentially deal of Pivetta at deadline. And I am also assuming Hendriks is not MLB ready by the deadline). In the case of no open 40-man spots, where they deal Martin and Jansen in deals for 40-man guys lower down in minors, you could just see the above. But what I am suggesting is that the open spot(s) allow for them to have the opportunity to get Luetge onto the 40-man to be shuffled up to the MLB roster now, in hopes that he performs well enough to deal him, as well as Martin and Jansen at the deadline. This would enable them to give Luetge some innings so they don't pitch guys coming back from injury like Kelly and Campbell so much and run into issues like they did last yr where the bullpen arms were beat to death in August. And at the same time as managing the bullpen innings load for their longer term pen guys, maybe they create a valuable trade asset. At 37 yrs old, as LHP and with name recognition, Leutge is the kind of rental guy who they could trade for a decent lower level prospect at the deadline if he has an ERA of 3.5 or less. While he is ok as depth, certainly they have guys in Guerrero and Zeferjahn or Fitts, etc who will need to be added to 40-man this winter who they could then use if needed later in the year if they have traded Jansen, Martin, Leutge and maybe Pivetta. So maybe my question is really -- isn't Leutge the only depth piece off the roster who could have value we might want to utilize this year (MLB innings pitched + potential trade value) where his future with the team at age 37 is not of high expected value. And if so, why not give the guys of the future fewer innings for a bit to tap into that given we have the roster room to do it? Summary: I don't think it costs the Sox expected wins to give Luetge a shot because he is pitching fine in AAA, with decent history in MLB, and would likely pitch fine in MLB, unless somebody has seen him and thinks his stuff isn't looking as good as his decent numbers suggest. So why waste his potential value add to the club in 2024 hanging onto him as depth for a time of year later when Hendriks may be back, and we will want to get a look at some younger guys in advance for 2025? I doubt Luetge is here in 2025 either way, so I would take a shot to try to monetize his asset value now -- unless people believe he will likely pitch well over 4 ERA, so would cost wins and not have trade value.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 26, 2024 9:57:43 GMT -5
I guess I just respectfully disagree that Luetge, a guy they brought in on a minor league deal during the offseason who chose not to opt out of that contract, could be expected to bring in any kind of return to get excited about in a trade.
As for the 40-man, I'm curious what this will be about.
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Post by nonothing on May 26, 2024 20:00:16 GMT -5
I guess I just respectfully disagree that Luetge, a guy they brought in on a minor league deal during the offseason who chose not to opt out of that contract, could be expected to bring in any kind of return to get excited about in a trade. As for the 40-man, I'm curious what this will be about. Nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. I don't get the Keller move unless as you said in another thread, he gets released when Campbell comes up. But I read they signed him to a one year contract. Not sure if that implied guaranteed minimum for the rest of the year? That would seem very weird. Your take of pickup, pitch and dump makes more sense to me.
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 27, 2024 0:27:00 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. I don't get the Keller move unless as you said in another thread, he gets released when Campbell comes up. But I read they signed him to a one year contract. Not sure if that implied guaranteed minimum for the rest of the year? That would seem very weird. Your take of pickup, pitch and dump makes more sense to me.All major league contracts are guaranteed, so this just means it's a major league contract and not a minor league contract. If the Red Sox release him in 2 weeks, and another team signs him, the Red Sox would be off-the-hook for his contract from that point (at which the new team signs him) going forward (assuming both are minimum contracts) and would only have to pay the contract between the two signing points. So not a big risk unless it's the end-of-the-road, and even then, it's ~500k.
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