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Post by soxfansince67 on May 26, 2024 21:38:53 GMT -5
Looks like it will be Celts Mavs.
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Post by mobaz on May 26, 2024 21:39:12 GMT -5
Alright I'm starting to get a little Itty bit scared of Dallas
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Post by Don Caballero on May 26, 2024 21:46:09 GMT -5
Don’t double Luka, send Kyrie to Jrue hell, have The Porzingod launching 3s from the goddamn logo to pull their bigs away and have Tatum or Brown attack Luka. Let’s chip.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2024 21:48:30 GMT -5
I think I will die if we lose to Kyrie, idk if I could come back from that
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Post by Don Caballero on May 26, 2024 21:49:45 GMT -5
I think I will die if we lose to Kyrie, idk if I could come back from that Kyrie does look different, he has grown a lot since he was here. I don’t hate him at all. I’d be no different than Brad Wanamaker chipping over us.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2024 22:17:18 GMT -5
I think I will die if we lose to Kyrie, idk if I could come back from that Kyrie does look different, he has grown a lot since he was here. I don’t hate him at all. I’d be no different than Brad Wanamaker chipping over us. I hate him and I wish him the worst in life
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 26, 2024 22:26:35 GMT -5
Kyrie does look different, he has grown a lot since he was here. I don’t hate him at all. I’d be no different than Brad Wanamaker chipping over us. I hate him and I wish him the worst in life If I was the Celtics I'd be all over him, had to have Doncic carry you to finals. I want him trying to prove a point, playing selfish, that's when he's at his worst. I'm not worried about Irving, Doncic worries me though. Still not that much, Wolves huge strength against nuggets of 3 of their top 6 players being bigs, is an issue versus Mavs. We match up better versus the Mavs than the Wolves do. Plus I'm attacking Doncic and Irving on D all game long.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 26, 2024 22:26:58 GMT -5
Kyrie does look different, he has grown a lot since he was here. I don’t hate him at all. I’d be no different than Brad Wanamaker chipping over us. I hate him and I wish him the worst in life I don’t hate him, I want to see Jrue and White make his life as miserable as possible as we chip over him.
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Post by jmei on May 27, 2024 6:46:52 GMT -5
I don't think this is what happened, they just couldn't find a good way to defend the Pacers without Haliburton. Like I said, so much of Indiana's gameplan change without Haliburton and they still have so many good scorers, it's hard to plan accordingly. Joe adjusted midway through the 3rd and the team was fully loaded to take the game. It may have looked like they were playing lazy, but Indiana was just playing out of their damn minds. Then eventually the Pacers ran out of gas. Playing that hard early on will always punish you later in the game. The Celtics don't have good depth without The Porzingod to say the least, so you don't want to go full Thibs and work everyone to death. Playing 100% for 48 minutes is unrealistic, you have to pace yourself. Not what I watched, it wasn't about finding out how to stop them, you knew exactly what they would do, move the ball. It was about matching them playing hard. I didn't see the Pacers run out of gas, I watched the Celtics actually play hard on D! Come on now, we've literally watched so many teams play hard for 48 minutes every game and give the Celtics fits over the years. The Celtics did it for two straight games. The Pacers played 100% till that Crazy Nesmith running 3 point shot, they just didn't have enough talent when the Celtics play hard. Give you an example 10 rebounds in first half, 26 in 2nd half. Pacers rebounds were basically equal per half. The rebounds are a bit misleading. The Pacers didn’t miss a lot of shots in the first half and missed a lot more in the second half, and missed shots usually result in defensive rebounds. The point about effort is totally fair, but counting rebounds is a bad proxy for effort.
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Post by bg23 on May 27, 2024 8:37:50 GMT -5
Not what I watched, it wasn't about finding out how to stop them, you knew exactly what they would do, move the ball. It was about matching them playing hard. I didn't see the Pacers run out of gas, I watched the Celtics actually play hard on D! Come on now, we've literally watched so many teams play hard for 48 minutes every game and give the Celtics fits over the years. The Celtics did it for two straight games. The Pacers played 100% till that Crazy Nesmith running 3 point shot, they just didn't have enough talent when the Celtics play hard. Give you an example 10 rebounds in first half, 26 in 2nd half. Pacers rebounds were basically equal per half. The rebounds are a bit misleading. The Pacers didn’t miss a lot of shots in the first half and missed a lot more in the second half, and missed shots usually result in defensive rebounds. The point about effort is totally fair, but counting rebounds is a bad proxy for effort. using offensive reb% and defensive reb% are much better indicators of effort as it removes the “did the other team make a bunch of shots or miss a bunch of shots?” variable.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 27, 2024 9:08:49 GMT -5
Lots to learn from for Celts coaches seeing how Dallas's offense is picking apart Minn's defense - and how Dallas' D is limiting Minn's offense. Whole "west is so dominant" thing doesn't hold for me. I see this being a great, close series with the Celts coming out on top.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 27, 2024 10:11:32 GMT -5
I’m starting to worry about Porzingis even being ready for the Finals. All the reports seem to indicate he will be though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 27, 2024 12:08:00 GMT -5
I guess some people just need to see it number wise, first half 9 defensive rebounds on 16 missed shots, 56.2%, 2nd half 20 defensive rebound on 29 missed shots 68.9%. Add in one offensive rebound in first half, 6 offensive rebounds in 2nd half. As you can see huge change in percentages and a huge difference in 2nd chance opportunities with offensive rebounds.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2024 13:09:31 GMT -5
I just find it absurd or lazy to suggest they weren’t trying hard in the first half. Rebounding isn’t just about “effort”. When you’re out of sorts and aren’t well connected, you’ll be out of position for rebounds as well. Effort means trying. “Energy” is not the same as “effort” either.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 27, 2024 13:28:48 GMT -5
Pacers spirits have to be crushed. They swung with their best punch twice and weren’t able to close out games 1 or 3. Definitely some young team issues that the Celtics have been exploiting perfectly. I could see Indy pulling off game 4, and it really wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Celtics, as it could give KP another game to work his way into shape before the finals, but it’s going to take everything they have and then some If the Celts can somehow get a double digit lead with even say 7 minutes I think right around there several Pacers will mentally concede the series. However there is a few that won't including the former Celtic. I love his hustle.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 27, 2024 13:30:00 GMT -5
Kyrie does look different, he has grown a lot since he was here. I don’t hate him at all. I’d be no different than Brad Wanamaker chipping over us. I hate him and I wish him the worst in life I hate him too but the SOB does look like he's matured some.
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Post by capesox on May 27, 2024 16:09:27 GMT -5
Dallas is a favorable matchup for the Celtics IMO. Jaylen or Jayson can guard Doncic, Jrue or White can guard Kyrie. They should make it harder than anyone they have seen to this point. On offense, the C's are better than anyone at exploiting matchups and taking advantage of bad defenders which Kyrie and Doncic are. Something Minn. has not done against Dallas. Maybe I'm seeing things through green colored glasses right now, but I really like Dallas as an opponent for this team.
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Post by capesox on May 27, 2024 16:24:08 GMT -5
I think people use effort too often in describing bad defense also. It's not just about the effort, it's about being disciplined and smart also. I think that has been a problem with this team just as often as effort in the past. One example was against Philly last year in the playoffs where Hardon got an open shot to win a game because Jaylen went to help on a driver to the basket. Thats not an effort issue, that's a being in the wrong spot issue. It's something with Jrue and maturity that this team has gotten better at this year then the past, but they can still slip up sometimes.
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Post by cdj on May 27, 2024 16:25:01 GMT -5
Mavs are probably a team you would want to shoot a bunch of 3’s against. Just gotta make em
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on May 27, 2024 17:36:55 GMT -5
RIP Bill Walton
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2024 18:12:34 GMT -5
I think people use effort too often in describing bad defense also. It's not just about the effort, it's about being disciplined and smart also. I think that has been a problem with this team just as often as effort in the past. One example was against Philly last year in the playoffs where Hardon got an open shot to win a game because Jaylen went to help on a driver to the basket. Thats not an effort issue, that's a being in the wrong spot issue. It's something with Jrue and maturity that this team has gotten better at this year then the past, but they can still slip up sometimes. And when you are missing shots against the best transition offense in the NBA it’s easy to get all screwed up defensively.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2024 18:15:03 GMT -5
Mavs are probably a team you would want to shoot a bunch of 3’s against. Just gotta make em Dallas has been letting Luka and Kyrie play 1 v 1 and using their other guys to crowd the paint behind them. You can try to do that against the Celtics but that means you are leaving shooters open. Minnesota doesn’t have enough shooters and one of their best (Towns) is shooting horribly this series, which is killing them. These are tight games despite Towns not hitting anything. Kyrie tho is a better defender than people give him credit for when he’s engaged.
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Post by cdj on May 27, 2024 18:17:50 GMT -5
Mavs are probably a team you would want to shoot a bunch of 3’s against. Just gotta make em Dallas has been letting Luka and Kyrie play 1 v 1 and using their other guys to crowd the paint behind them. You can try to do that against the Celtics but that means you are leaving shooters open. Minnesota doesn’t have enough shooters and one of their best (Towns) is shooting horribly this series, which is killing them. These are tight games despite Towns not hitting anything. Kyrie tho is a better defender than people give him credit for when he’s engaged. Agreed about Kyrie’s defense, it’s just a matter of if he’s caring or not. And he will most certainly be caring. Jaylen abused Doncic earlier this season tho iirc
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 27, 2024 18:32:29 GMT -5
No Halliburton tonight. And now we know what that's like
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Post by jmei on May 27, 2024 19:27:28 GMT -5
I guess some people just need to see it number wise, first half 9 defensive rebounds on 16 missed shots, 56.2%, 2nd half 20 defensive rebound on 29 missed shots 68.9%. Add in one offensive rebound in first half, 6 offensive rebounds in 2nd half. As you can see huge change in percentages and a huge difference in 2nd chance opportunities with offensive rebounds. That’s a difference of two defensive rebounds in the first half. That’s exactly my point, using raw numbers exaggerates things.
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