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Celtics 2023-24 Season Thread
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 28, 2024 11:28:52 GMT -5
I think if we win the Finals, it will most likely be due to Tatum having a solid series. Its possible Brown is very clutch again and plays at the top of his game but when Tatum doesn’t play well its usually due to poor three point shooting. If Tatum does that consistently I think we’ll lose. Did Tatum not play well last night? jmei basically answered this for me, but Brown was very clutch last series and Tatum took just a few too many threes. I think if Tatum replicates his performance last series, we will win and he will be Finals MVP unless Brown comes up huge again. I am not expecting Brown to have two straight series where he executes in crunch time so well. It’s a possibility but I think its more likely it will come down to Tatum playing well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 28, 2024 11:49:57 GMT -5
I guess some people just need to see it number wise, first half 9 defensive rebounds on 16 missed shots, 56.2%, 2nd half 20 defensive rebound on 29 missed shots 68.9%. Add in one offensive rebound in first half, 6 offensive rebounds in 2nd half. As you can see huge change in percentages and a huge difference in 2nd chance opportunities with offensive rebounds. That’s a difference of two defensive rebounds in the first half. That’s exactly my point, using raw numbers exaggerates things. Now add in the offensive rebounds, it's like 6, a huge difference. The issue was rebounding in general, not just defensive.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 28, 2024 12:17:23 GMT -5
Still not good enough for some of you.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 28, 2024 19:24:01 GMT -5
Still not good enough for some of you. I think it's fair to appreciate a player's achievements while also pointing out short-comings. especially ones that occur often and might hinder the team in the future. Personally, I am grateful of the overall player and what he accomplishes regularly. But, because he has so much freedom & the ball is often in his hands, I'm leery of his decision-making. Bad shots & dribbling away the shot clock as an accompaniment -- that's our Achilles heel, IMO. But I'd be very happy if those weaknesses are not exploited. LFG, eh?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 28, 2024 20:49:21 GMT -5
For any of you of so little faith, the bus left the station long ago the door is locked and make no mistake there is a few of you here trying to sneak on, nope, no, naddah, you can't play along with the rest of us. I know you will, should they lose the finals, still say I told you so, yet they'll still try to sneak on. That type of fan is not a fan. They'll claim the team is front runners nah they are front runners. Great close out victory, sweeps are VERY hard to do, I never expect them no matter the circumstance. As the Unicorn recently said, LFG. As Scal said, what does that mean? If I knew you were the arbiter of fandom, I might of treated you a lot nicer when you were getting all weird and stuff. I resent that, I've always been weird.
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Post by foreverred9 on May 28, 2024 21:33:20 GMT -5
12-2 postseason so far. 64-18 regular season. 76 wins, 20 losses. They've also scored more than 100 points in every single game this year so far.Let's make it an even 80 wins for this year! Listening to Carlisle - hasn't said a word congratulating the Cs yet. Now taking questions. Never realized he was so bitter. I really wanted the bolded stat to be true, that would have been something else. But they scored under 100 3 times in the regular season - Nov 24th, Jan 27th, Apr 9th - and also in Game 2 vs. Cleveland. What I do hope for is they had some amazing stretches this year of scoring 120+ points per game, December and March. It would be nice to see them put up a stretch of crooked numbers on the Mavs (they put up 138 against them on March 1st).
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 28, 2024 21:57:30 GMT -5
12-2 postseason so far. 64-18 regular season. 76 wins, 20 losses. They've also scored more than 100 points in every single game this year so far.Let's make it an even 80 wins for this year! Listening to Carlisle - hasn't said a word congratulating the Cs yet. Now taking questions. Never realized he was so bitter. I really wanted the bolded stat to be true, that would have been something else. But they scored under 100 3 times in the regular season - Nov 24th, Jan 27th, Apr 9th - and also in Game 2 vs. Cleveland. What I do hope for is they had some amazing stretches this year of scoring 120+ points per game, December and March. It would be nice to see them put up a stretch of crooked numbers on the Mavs (they put up 138 against them on March 1st). Good catch - my bad. Too many enthusiasm-fueled endorphins!
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 28, 2024 22:03:01 GMT -5
Watching Dallas Minn game 4. Intense, a bit sloppy - Minn looking like they will pull this one out. Towns found his shot. But he just fouled out.
Edwards is dragging his team to victory in this one at the end.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on May 28, 2024 22:15:14 GMT -5
Watching Dallas Minn game 4. Intense, a bit sloppy - Minn looking like they will pull this one out. Towns found his shot. But he just fouled out. Edwards is dragging his team to victory in this one at the end. Glad to see Minnesota extend the series. Also nice to see Kyrie and Luka look not so invincible in the final minutes of a game. Hoping this goes to seven but not holding my breath. I will never get used to seeing A-Rod courtside at these games, just feels so weird
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Post by rjp313jr on May 29, 2024 5:21:25 GMT -5
Still not good enough for some of you. I think it's fair to appreciate a player's achievements while also pointing out short-comings. especially ones that occur often and might hinder the team in the future. Personally, I am grateful of the overall player and what he accomplishes regularly. But, because he has so much freedom & the ball is often in his hands, I'm leery of his decision-making. Bad shots & dribbling away the shot clock as an accompaniment -- that's our Achilles heel, IMO. But I'd be very happy if those weaknesses are not exploited. LFG, eh? It is fair, if you are one of the ones whose main focus is how great he is, with some observation on where the guy, in his age 25 season, can still improve like he has throughout his career, but the main focus here, for many, is on the opposite. You got people like JMEI that struggle to say any nice things. Used him as an example since he admitted as much a few days ago as a way to actually defend Tatum against some others. I honestly am not sure where you fall there as it’s hard to keep track of all the haters.
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Post by shagworthy on May 29, 2024 15:33:11 GMT -5
Anyone else here uncomfortable with the prospect of Irving as an opponent in the next round? By all rights we should kill Dallas as they can't match us defensively and hopefully (fingers crossed) Kristaps can take some minutes and take some of the load off of Horford who has been a MACHINE despite his age.
I just want to demoralize that flat earther if it does come to that. Especially because you know he's going to bring shenanighans into the Garden to try and get under everyone's skin.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 29, 2024 16:49:50 GMT -5
Anyone else here uncomfortable with the prospect of Irving as an opponent in the next round? By all rights we should kill Dallas as they can't match us defensively and hopefully (fingers crossed) Kristaps can take some minutes and take some of the load off of Horford who has been a MACHINE despite his age. I just want to demoralize that flat earther if it does come to that. Especially because you know he's going to bring shenanighans into the Garden to try and get under everyone's skin. Kyrie is just another former Celtics player for me. Yeah he was sh*tty here and things ended up poorly, but I moved on to the point of indifference. I want the Celtics to beat him just like I want them to beat anyone else. It might be a bit sweeter, but I don’t feel like there’s a point to be made. Opponents, not enemies. Like Sun Tzu once said “big tits with no ass will fill your hand. Big ass with no tits will fill your heart”.
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shagworthy
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Post by shagworthy on May 29, 2024 17:01:15 GMT -5
Anyone else here uncomfortable with the prospect of Irving as an opponent in the next round? By all rights we should kill Dallas as they can't match us defensively and hopefully (fingers crossed) Kristaps can take some minutes and take some of the load off of Horford who has been a MACHINE despite his age. I just want to demoralize that flat earther if it does come to that. Especially because you know he's going to bring shenanighans into the Garden to try and get under everyone's skin. Kyrie is just another former Celtics player for me. Yeah he was sh*tty here and things ended up poorly, but I moved on to the point of indifference. I want the Celtics to beat him just like I want them to beat anyone else. It might be a bit sweeter, but I don’t feel like there’s a point to be made. Opponents, not enemies. Like Sun Tzu once said “big tits with no ass will fill your hand. Big ass with no tits will fill your heart”. Ha, Sun Tzu eh? I prefer big t*ts and a big a** but I digress. I have big hands and a bigger heart..
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Post by rjp313jr on May 29, 2024 17:26:39 GMT -5
Anyone else here uncomfortable with the prospect of Irving as an opponent in the next round? By all rights we should kill Dallas as they can't match us defensively and hopefully (fingers crossed) Kristaps can take some minutes and take some of the load off of Horford who has been a MACHINE despite his age. I just want to demoralize that flat earther if it does come to that. Especially because you know he's going to bring shenanighans into the Garden to try and get under everyone's skin. Not me.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 29, 2024 17:30:13 GMT -5
All these national guys hating on the Celtics is the best thing that’s ever happened. Theres zero chance this team gets complacent. Doesn’t mean they will win, but what team that’s done what they’ve done all season and in the playoffs gets next to no credit for it? Now they are manufacturing Jaylen and Jason drama that doesn’t exist. It’s the best.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2024 18:17:44 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/colin-cowherd-undermines-the-celtics-they-re-not-great/ar-BB1ndzpA?ocid=BingNewsSearchYou can't even pay attention to this, it doesn't even make sense! Tatum and Brown for the playoffs both almost have a 30% usage rate, Doncic current rate a whopping 32%. Playing team ball to end games is crazy smart given how teams defend the Celtics two stars. It literally shows their growth and will make teams adjust. It's funny because the Mavs are a much more spread it around type team, using Doncic to create. You read that article and you'd think the Celtics usage rates are about equal for the starters, not even close. Then you'd expect Doncic to have a massive usage rate difference over Tatum and Brown for that matter, he doesn't. I question if he's even watching the games. For some reason he has an issue with the Celtics and he basically sounds like a fool. Same crap from Perkins, he should have dropped 50. Come on now, best all time just don't drop 50 in the playoffs on the regular.
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Post by jmei on May 29, 2024 18:37:39 GMT -5
Kyrie is just another former Celtics player for me. Yeah he was sh*tty here and things ended up poorly, but I moved on to the point of indifference. I want the Celtics to beat him just like I want them to beat anyone else. It might be a bit sweeter, but I don’t feel like there’s a point to be made. Opponents, not enemies. Like Sun Tzu once said “big tits with no ass will fill your hand. Big ass with no tits will fill your heart”. Ha, Sun Tzu eh? I prefer big t*ts and a big a** but I digress. I have big hands and a bigger heart.. Let’s not continue this thread of discussion. Thanks.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2024 7:39:50 GMT -5
The Dallas Mavericks had a really good defense and the best net rating in basketball since they retooled their team. Don’t look at their overall stats when analyzing them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2024 11:38:44 GMT -5
The Dallas Mavericks had a really good defense and the best net rating in basketball since they retooled their team. Don’t look at their overall stats when analyzing them. What was it and are you just talking end of season or including the playoffs?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2024 12:58:47 GMT -5
www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/dallas-mavericks-net-rating-since-all-star-breakLast 27 games Dallas net rating was 3.8, was 2.2 on the year. The big change was getting Washington and Gafford, they played the last 29 games each. It was an improvement, basically all on D which you'd expect given those two players. That was really the best net rating in Basketball? Celtics were plus 11.6 for the year. That page shows during playoffs Celtics net rating 10.9, Mavs 3.2.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2024 13:24:16 GMT -5
www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/dallas-mavericks-net-rating-since-all-star-breakLast 27 games Dallas net rating was 3.8, was 2.2 on the year. The big change was getting Washington and Gafford, they played the last 29 games each. It was an improvement, basically all on D which you'd expect given those two players. That was really the best net rating in Basketball? Celtics were plus 11.6 for the year. That page shows during playoffs Celtics net rating 10.9, Mavs 3.2. Sorry mixed those up, best defensive rating and one of the best net ratings. Last 20 games of the season. They were 16-4 with a 107.2 defensive rating (1st) and 7.6 net (5th). Boston had best net rating and were 11th in defensive rating. To be fair the Celtics were crushing teams and on cruise control. Point was this isn’t a lousy defensive team by any stretch. In fact, they have been very good. Don’t sleep on them on that side of the ball.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 30, 2024 15:23:15 GMT -5
That's cherry picking stats, yeah remove the first 9 games where they play 6 playoff teams and get lit up going 1-5. Then focus on the last 20 when they play only 5 playoff teams in 20 games. To be clear I'm not saying RJP did it, but someone did. Looks great till you actually look into it.
Are they better than during the regular season? Sure, 112.6 for playoffs, which is 7th just behind the Cavs. They are also worse on offense, net rating of 3.2 for playoffs.
Celtics #1 offense, #3 defense and #1 net rating by a wide margin. All that missing KP for most of the playoffs.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2024 16:41:11 GMT -5
That's cherry picking stats, yeah remove the first 9 games where they play 6 playoff teams and get lit up going 1-5. Then focus on the last 20 when they play only 5 playoff teams in 20 games. To be clear I'm not saying RJP did it, but someone did. Looks great till you actually look into it. Are they better than during the regular season? Sure, 112.6 for playoffs, which is 7th just behind the Cavs. They are also worse on offense, net rating of 3.2 for playoffs. Celtics #1 offense, #3 defense and #1 net rating by a wide margin. All that missing KP for most of the playoffs. You can call it cherry picking or you can think it might take a couple weeks to get in rhythm with a new set of players. But like I said, I’ve seen a lot of talk about Dallas being a bad defensive team here and that’s not reality.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 30, 2024 17:10:58 GMT -5
That's cherry picking stats, yeah remove the first 9 games where they play 6 playoff teams and get lit up going 1-5. Then focus on the last 20 when they play only 5 playoff teams in 20 games. To be clear I'm not saying RJP did it, but someone did. Looks great till you actually look into it. Are they better than during the regular season? Sure, 112.6 for playoffs, which is 7th just behind the Cavs. They are also worse on offense, net rating of 3.2 for playoffs. Celtics #1 offense, #3 defense and #1 net rating by a wide margin. All that missing KP for most of the playoffs. You can call it cherry picking or you can think it might take a couple weeks to get in rhythm with a new set of players. But like I said, I’ve seen a lot of talk about Dallas being a bad defensive team here and that’s not reality. Haven't been keeping up with the thread, but didn't Reddick recently state that the Mavs are a very good defensive team against iso and that KP being KP is the key for the Celtics in this series?
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2024 18:53:16 GMT -5
You can call it cherry picking or you can think it might take a couple weeks to get in rhythm with a new set of players. But like I said, I’ve seen a lot of talk about Dallas being a bad defensive team here and that’s not reality. Haven't been keeping up with the thread, but didn't Reddick recently state that the Mavs are a very good defensive team against iso and that KP being KP is the key for the Celtics in this series? Sounds right
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