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Celtics 2023-24 Season Thread
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 9, 2024 21:43:00 GMT -5
Love how Holiday pointed out how close Tatum was to a triple double, one rebound short, all the JT haters your hate is REALLY mislead and this finals proves it at least through the first 2 games.
Another stat I loved was hearing any team in the finals taking a 2-0 lead won 31 0f 36 series, or 86% 86 is the last great all time Celts team, as is this one.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 9, 2024 21:44:33 GMT -5
Luka’s conditioning remains a huge issue for him. He looks exhausted and is making uncharacteristically bad plays. Didn’t even bother to close out on that Jrue three. He still gets almost zero criticism from NBA media for never being in shape and barely trying on defense. The Celtics attacked him relentless tonight, and most of their best offense came when they went directly at Luka.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jun 9, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5
Love how Holiday pointed out how close Tatum was to a triple double, one rebound short, all the JT haters your hate is REALLY mislead and this finals proves it at least through the first 2 games. Another stat I loved was hearing any team in the finals taking a 2-0 lead won 31 0f 36 series, or 86% 86 is the last great all time Celts team, as is this one. Tatum isn't immune from criticism. He went 6-22, got skittish on a few open 3s, and still likes the occasional iso step-back shot that might be a 10% shot in his playbook. But the pendulum just swings to far. Even a few of his layup attempts showed that it's still a really difficult shot to make in traffic, so the kick out pass was the right move. 12 assists, 9 boards, only 3 turnovers is what we need when he's not making his shots. There was a lot of talk about how the Dallas D was playing better, but the Celtics still had a ridiculous amount of open and wide open 3s that just didn't fall like they did in game 1. That shouldn't happen again, so just keep running this drive and dish offense until they can be stopped.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 21:48:26 GMT -5
Jayson is a great interview - really shares his dead honest insights. Good interview with van Pelt right now.
Very different from Luka's post game surly presser.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 9, 2024 21:52:23 GMT -5
Great win, losing Porzingis isn’t good - hope it’s minor and not an aggravation of the other injury. Celtics winning while shooting so bad from 3 is a good sign. FYI, I looked at the finals games in advance AND there is an extra days rest for every game but one, game 6 is the same rest as the semis 2 finals all the other games are based on two days rest and then play on third day. This favors Horford and the Celts.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 9, 2024 21:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 21:56:51 GMT -5
I know the Cs have to win 2 more. But as I calm down from the edge of seat buzz of the last few hours - a few things come to mind...
Celtics fans are fortunate on so many levels. Right on from Brad Stevens down the line. The wisdom of bringing in Porzingas and Holiday. The growth of Mazzulla as a coach. Every player on this team - quality people first - but playing as a complete team - so rare these days.
So - with the Patriots down, the Red Sox down, what a joy it has been to ride along with the Cs this season.
Can't wait for them to close this out.
Finally - Mazzulla's time outs were perfectly timed. He has grown into a really good coach, in my view.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 9, 2024 22:03:56 GMT -5
Luka’s conditioning remains a huge issue for him. He looks exhausted and is making uncharacteristically bad plays. Didn’t even bother to close out on that Jrue three. He still gets almost zero criticism from NBA media for never being in shape and barely trying on defense. The Celtics attacked him relentless tonight, and most of their best offense came when they went directly at Luka. Wcp my friend, how likely is it that Silver got Foster on standby to extend this series?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 9, 2024 22:05:23 GMT -5
I know the Cs have to win 2 more. But as I calm down from the edge of seat buzz of the last few hours - a few things come to mind... Celtics fans are fortunate on so many levels. Right on from Brad Stevens down the line. The wisdom of bringing in Porzingas and Holiday. The growth of Mazzulla as a coach. Every player on this team - quality people first - but playing as a complete team - so rare these days. So - with the Patriots down, the Red Sox down, what a joy it has been to ride along with the Cs this season. Can't wait for them to close this out. Finally - Mazzulla's time outs were perfectly timed. He has grown into a really good coach, in my view. It's two late for some to get on the bus but most of us here are on it. The ride when you believe in the driver is more than worth it otherwise not so much.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 9, 2024 22:13:22 GMT -5
Jrue, post game, game 2 comments regarding the J's corker for those that play darts. Holiday comments should be studied by all Celts fans.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 9, 2024 22:15:37 GMT -5
He still gets almost zero criticism from NBA media for never being in shape and barely trying on defense. The Celtics attacked him relentless tonight, and most of their best offense came when they went directly at Luka. Wcp my friend, how likely is it that Silver got Foster on standby to extend this series? What’s funny is I actually think Foster’s a good ref - he just can’t help himself sometimes and has to make dramatic calls at key moments. Tony Brothers is significantly worse. I’m glad the Celts survived a game with him.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 22:24:50 GMT -5
An interesting tidbit from the box score
Only 3 Celts had turnovers - Jaylen with 6 (and they weren't all that glaring or costly), Jayson with 3 (offset by 12 assists), and White with 1. That's it. only 10 turnovers in this really intense game with lots of ball movement.
Oh yeah - 14-2 in the playoffs so far and those losses were at home. 6-0 on the road.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 9, 2024 22:37:57 GMT -5
If the Mavs could not win the classic Celtics game where they forget how to hit open 3s, I don't think we are losing this series. Unless KP is done for. Excellent team win.
They really let the Boston Celtics get Derrick White and Jrue Holiday!!
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Post by ianrs on Jun 9, 2024 22:40:05 GMT -5
The thing about Tatum that makes him great is he can still have solid games like he has this series despite not reaching the high standard he sets for himself scoring.
Very good to great at every facet of the game. OK to acknowledge he's fallen short scoring wise while still acknowledging an overall positive impact.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 9, 2024 23:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 9, 2024 23:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 9, 2024 23:48:46 GMT -5
He still gets almost zero criticism from NBA media for never being in shape and barely trying on defense. The Celtics attacked him relentless tonight, and most of their best offense came when they went directly at Luka. Wcp my friend, how likely is it that Silver got Foster on standby to extend this series? Its 100%, it’s confirmed Foster is a ref for these Finals and he hasn’t gone yet. Silver was saving him for games 3/4 lmao.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 10, 2024 5:20:47 GMT -5
Hopefully, it was something like a cramp. He did try to play thru it.
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Post by cdj on Jun 10, 2024 7:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2024 9:22:40 GMT -5
I certainly love watching the Celtics play team ball movement offense, 29 assists doesn't even tell the whole story because they missed so many open looks.
Irving has literally played anti team ball for two straight games, Celtics crowd did exactly what you wanted.
While Tatum was brilliant passing, playing D and rebounding, I didn't like his offense 2nd half. He barely missed a bunch of good drives, then starts not taking open ball movement 3 pointers. The exact shots you want him taking, then does 3 drives trying to be Brown and dunking the ball on the 4 players. That's not his game. Still think he should work with Paul Pierce, instead of trying to act like Kobe. Work in the post more, add some things like upfakes to get easy fouls when things aren't going well. Add more mid range pull ups on drives, instead of always trying to get to basket when they have 4 defenders packing the paint. He'll get there in time and that should scare the NBA!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2024 9:31:26 GMT -5
I want to add that Doncic should take notes watching Pritchard and Hauser play D, both have limitations. They play 100% all out on D. Doncic could be a lot better defender if he actually put in effort and got in shape. He can move his feet, he's strong and has quick hands, he just doesn't even try half the time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 10, 2024 9:35:19 GMT -5
I want to add that Doncic should take notes watching Pritchard and Hauser play D, both have limitations. They play 100% all out on D. Doncic could be a lot better defender if he actually put in effort and got in shape. He can move his feet, he's strong and has quick hands, he just doesn't even try half the time. It really annoys me seeing guys like Luka play and get anointed as some savior because of his offensive brilliance when he only tries on the other end like 6 times a game. Is he even a good rebounder or does he just pad his stats by not playing defense? I watch Tatum get big boy big time rebounds; not sure I’ve seen that out of Luka. Admittedly I don’t watch him a lot so I’m genuinely asking. Is he a great rebounder or just a guy who gets them because he’s not playing defense? I’d ask a Mavs fan but they think he plays defense so…
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 10, 2024 9:43:53 GMT -5
I want to add that Doncic should take notes watching Pritchard and Hauser play D, both have limitations. They play 100% all out on D. Doncic could be a lot better defender if he actually put in effort and got in shape. He can move his feet, he's strong and has quick hands, he just doesn't even try half the time. It really annoys me seeing guys like Luka play and get anointed as some savior because of his offensive brilliance when he only tries on the other end like 6 times a game. Is he even a good rebounder or does he just pad his stats by not playing defense? I watch Tatum get big boy big time rebounds; not sure I’ve seen that out of Luka. Admittedly I don’t watch him a lot so I’m genuinely asking. Is he a great rebounder or just a guy who gets them because he’s not playing defense? I’d ask a Mavs fan but they think he plays defense so… He's not close to Tatum as a rebounder, he's getting tough rebounds over bigs. Doncic hunts rebounds, is smart, plays angles and get in great positions to get easy rebounds. Which is only possible because he's not playing hard on D.
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Post by jmei on Jun 10, 2024 10:14:26 GMT -5
One nit pick - I thought Tatum's defense against Doncic was disappointing, especially in the first half. Doncic was targeting the switch to get Tatum on him and was able to get by him off the bounce and push him around in the paint, both getting easy buckets and forcing the Celtics to help more. Tatum looked a bit flat footed at times and allowed Doncic to get by him too easily. Minor thing, but there was a reason Doncic kept going back to that matchup and it needs to improve.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 10, 2024 10:24:36 GMT -5
One nit pick - I thought Tatum's defense against Doncic was disappointing, especially in the first half. Doncic was targeting the switch to get Tatum on him and was able to get by him off the bounce and push him around in the paint, both getting easy buckets and forcing the Celtics to help more. Tatum looked a bit flat footed at times and allowed Doncic to get by him too easily. Minor thing, but there was a reason Doncic kept going back to that matchup and it needs to improve. Tatum seemed more comfortable against Kyrie than Luka, and they were hunting a Luka/Tatum matchup at times for sure. Overall, Dallas did a better job getting matchups they liked for Luka, but not really Kyrie because I think all of our Top 6 but Zinger guard Kyrie well. I saw a Ringer article talking about how Luka is the Best Player In the Series but it doesn't matter because of Celtics role players. It pisses me off because you can't be best player when you're only affecting 1/3 of the game positively; he was actively bad on defense and wasn't even starting the offense a lot (tired, injured, ego, whatever). Also, calling Zinger and Jrue "role players" is a huge insult. Not linking. I love this team so much and will be heartbroken if they don't close the deal, and think they should be able to in 5. As UMass said, seeing the effective effort from Hauser and Pritchard was so great, even if they weren't hitting 3s. As an added note, I watched the whole game and didn't get mad/scared and change the channel for a bit, so hopefully the good vibes and good fundamentals continue.
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