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Post by jmei on Jun 12, 2024 22:16:10 GMT -5
I think we’re all forgetting the real MVP of this game, Jason Kidd taking that timeout at that moment. I don’t think I ever saw a worse timeout in my life. He also played THJ for 20 damn minutes. Just a masterclass, a Boston legend IMO. 20 minutes, 0 points, 0 assists. Team worst -16. Once they put him in, I knew they were desperate. That’s a “throw **** against the wall” move that you go to when you lose confidence in your normal rotations and know you’re out of other options.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jun 12, 2024 22:16:20 GMT -5
Third straight game holding the high powered Mavs offense under 100. What a gusty win. These guys want it and seem to have finally figured it out. Put them out of their misery on Friday and become one of the most dominant Celtics teams of all time
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Post by tizzle on Jun 12, 2024 22:17:39 GMT -5
Jesus. ESPN telling us they shouldn't have called the foul on Luka even though it was a foul.
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Post by jmei on Jun 12, 2024 22:18:34 GMT -5
Jesus. ESPN telling us they shouldn't have called the foul on Luka even though it was a foul. Legler is a pro and redirected to the PJW offensive foul (which I am more sympathetic to).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2024 22:18:38 GMT -5
I think we’re all forgetting the real MVP of this game, Jason Kidd taking that timeout at that moment. I don’t think I ever saw a worse timeout in my life. He also played THJ for 20 damn minutes. Just a masterclass, a Boston legend IMO. In all fairness they desperately needed 3 point shooting and he's the best bet they had. How do you play so much iso and not have floor spacing?
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Post by ianrs on Jun 12, 2024 22:18:59 GMT -5
I just love Luka fouling out while (1) randomly trying to play press coverage and picking up a dumb fourth foul and (2) going down whining about two close calls. He’s so talented but can’t manage his emotions and it holds him back. Sounds like a few young players we knew not so long ago Great team win. Man. 1 more game. Love this team.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 12, 2024 22:26:06 GMT -5
Jesus. ESPN telling us they shouldn't have called the foul on Luka even though it was a foul. Legler is a pro and redirected to the PJW offensive foul (which I am more sympathetic to). But that's juts a random, could go either way call in the middle of the quarter. Can we talk about Brown's legs being taken out on a loss ball? There were plenty of them each way (as there always are in the NBA). Don't make it out like Dallas was screwed because we are only talking about some single call that wasn't even at a totally crucial moment.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 12, 2024 22:28:42 GMT -5
Jesus. ESPN telling us they shouldn't have called the foul on Luka even though it was a foul. Legler is a pro and redirected to the PJW offensive foul (which I am more sympathetic to). Which they could have challenged if they didn’t waste their review on an extremely clear foul by Luka.
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Post by capesox on Jun 12, 2024 22:29:30 GMT -5
kudos to Joe Mazzulla for going with Tillman in this game. that could have been the difference, he held his own in iso vs Kyrie and Luka, got 4 rebounds and hit that big three. Great game for him and decision by Joe.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 12, 2024 22:42:56 GMT -5
Three game totals
Brown - 73 points on 27 for 49 shooting, 18 rebounds 17 assists 11 turnovers Tatum - 65 points on 23 for 64 shooting, 26 rebounds 22 assists 11 turnovers
Brown more efficient, Tatum more rebounds and facilitating.
Yes, these two can play together. Very close for the series MVP. Brown's impact seems a bit more loud. Not at all settled yet.
And - Celts have scored 107, 105 and 106 points. Dallas hasn't hit triple digits yet.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 12, 2024 22:45:13 GMT -5
I’ve been pacing around my room in circles trying to get my heart rate and adrenaline down. Worth it, though. +2 here, started the week poorly with sleep after taking forever to unwind after game 2. Hoping the same doesn't occur again tonight. My move to mountain time zone his huge boon for post game sleep. I'd be toast for the night if I were still back east.
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Post by cdj on Jun 12, 2024 22:45:58 GMT -5
I think it’s Jaylen’s to lose but ultimately it doesn’t matter. I don’t think of Pierce/Garnett differently based on who won the finals mvp and I wouldn’t with Tatum/Brown. Both instrumental
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 12, 2024 22:49:24 GMT -5
Tillman +9 in 11 minutes is huge. He was a monster on defense and did just enough on offense to soften the loss of Porzingis. And you didn’t even mention the Tillman 3. I was in the city watching the game at a bar and that moment was so fun.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 12, 2024 22:53:32 GMT -5
I think it’s Jaylen’s to lose but ultimately it doesn’t matter. I don’t think of Pierce/Garnett differently based on who won the finals mvp and I wouldn’t with Tatum/Brown. Both instrumental I still feel like Ray Allen was the MVP in that series, which I realize is not a very popular opinion lol.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 12, 2024 22:58:42 GMT -5
Three game totals Brown - 73 points on 27 for 49 shooting, 18 rebounds 17 assists 11 turnovers Tatum - 65 points on 23 for 64 shooting, 26 rebounds 22 assists 11 turnovers Brown more efficient, Tatum more rebounds and facilitating. Yes, these two can play together. Very close for the series MVP. Brown's impact seems a bit more loud. Not at all settled yet. And - Celts have scored 107, 105 and 106 points. Dallas hasn't hit triple digits yet. That's not close. More points on that many less shots, not to mention being the guy in the second half of these games. Doesn't get made up with a handful more rebounds and assists. And Brown's D has been an absolutely huge part of this series, while they keep targeting Tatum with Luka.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 12, 2024 22:59:21 GMT -5
I think it’s Jaylen’s to lose but ultimately it doesn’t matter. I don’t think of Pierce/Garnett differently based on who won the finals mvp and I wouldn’t with Tatum/Brown. Both instrumental I still feel like Ray Allen was the MVP in that series, which I realize is not a very popular opinion lol. I still talk about the 24 pt comeback and Ray Allen waving off a Garnett pick so he could take Vujevic one-on-one and then made him literally cry. One of my favorite memories from that run.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 12, 2024 23:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 13, 2024 0:19:11 GMT -5
There is a better argument for Jrue for mvp than tatum imo. Zero turnovers and he has been solid throughout.
If Tatum cut down on the bad threes he’d have an argument but he hasnt.
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Post by cdj on Jun 13, 2024 7:13:09 GMT -5
Everybody is doing what they need to do to win and that’s all that matters to me
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Post by cdj on Jun 13, 2024 7:30:13 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 7:39:41 GMT -5
There were two plays late right before he fouled out where he took a shot fell over and just layed on the ground. The Celtics got at least one fast break bucket because of it. I mean what is he doing or thinking out there? It's the NBA finals get your ass up and get back in the play.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2024 7:44:43 GMT -5
Luka deserves criticism and I understand his supporters will say he has to do so much on offense that he can’t put as much energy into defense, and while there’s a sliver of truth there it’s also a deflection from his real issue. His real issue is that he’s not dedicated to his body. He’s like Embiid, if you play them right, they’ll run out of gas at some point. Jaylen Brown and Tatum play 40+ on both ends of the floor and let’s not act like Luka doesn’t have one of the best offensive players in the league with the ball in his hands on his team in Kyrie so there’s no reason they can’t do the same stuff Tatum and Brown do. Those 2 are just in phenomenal shape. They are dedicated to not just conditioning but what they eat. Luka can learn this, he’s young. Tatum talks about how the first finals run, opened his eyes to the importance of those things. Now they are starting in a much better spot than Luka is on that front, but Luka can do it if he wants to.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2024 7:47:24 GMT -5
There were two plays late right before he fouled out where he took a shot fell over and just layed on the ground. The Celtics got at least one fast break bucket because of it. I mean what is he doing or thinking out there? It's the NBA finals get your ass up and get back in the play. He was exhausted, he’s physically in capable of playing at the same intensity as these Celtics who are in phenomenal shape. That is Luka’s single biggest weakness and it’s one that doesn’t take anything but discipline to fix. But it’s very hard to have that discipline so we will see.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2024 8:34:48 GMT -5
In a way, this gives some retrospect to when the Celtics didn't win the Finals and came up short against Miami. Sometimes you need to go through growing pains and I think this is one for Dallas. Luka is losing his mind and he's hurting his team as much as he's carrying them. He's not being a leader and the attitude is contagious. They went on a 20-2 run to get back into that game and the Celtics had every reason to implode and lose their minds, they didn't. Instead Luka gets foul number 5 and starts crying, other guys started crying about calls or non calls, Luka gets foul 6 because he's being careless and throws the biggest tantrum on the planet and cost his team a time out and a challenge. They were having a meltdown while simultaneously mounting a comeback. It was the weirdest thing and I think that was a big reason for why they couldn't complete the comeback. Celtics shooting became horrendous and everyone was ice cold. That's not saying the Celtics shouldn't have won. It was just some of the worst ball they've ever played over that span and they had the mental fortitude to keep it together. That's impressive. Should the Mavs make it back here, I'm guessing Luka will be better after some reflection. At least, if he wants to be a champion some time in the future. Edit: Also, that's the difference in maturity for Tatum and Luka. Tatum hasn't been the man scoring wise for most of this playoff run. He didn't let it impact the other aspects of his game and just decided, "I'd rather a ring than points" and played harder defense, rebounded out of his mind and passed up shots to get other guys wide open looks and got a boat load of assists because again, his contested shots weren't falling. There's a plethora of super stars who wouldn't make that sacrifice. They'd rather shoot all night and not care about the win. Tatum cares.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 13, 2024 8:46:28 GMT -5
All of what we are witnessing - and the Js can still get better. And they are young. White and Holiday will hopefully stick around. Once this thing is over, next is to keep this core together.
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