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Post by bosox81 on May 3, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -5
Cecchinni and Ranaudo made it this week: Also in the chat Shonerd said Ranaudo has the stuff to be a #2, health permitting: Link
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Post by amfox1 on May 3, 2013 17:18:29 GMT -5
For the record:
April 26 BA Hot Sheet - Bogaerts (#2), Owens (In the Team Photo)
April 19 BA Hot Sheet - Workman (In the Team Photo)
April 12 BA Hot Sheet - none
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Post by Don Caballero on May 3, 2013 18:12:14 GMT -5
I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again: No offense to scouts trying to read Ranaudo's ceiling/floor, but that's basically mailing it in. He was bad in 2011, injured in 2012, and he's starting to show some life this year. He's an extremely intriguing prospect, but a scouting report on him as of today doesn't make much sense because he looked a possible ace as much as he looked a bust.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 3, 2013 22:12:48 GMT -5
I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again: No offense to scouts trying to read Ranaudo's ceiling/floor, but that's basically mailing it in. He was bad in 2011, injured in 2012, and he's starting to show some life this year. He's an extremely intriguing prospect, but a scouting report on him as of today doesn't make much sense because he looked a possible ace as much as he looked a bust. If some team thinks he's a two, we should deal him 5 minutes ago. There really isn't any evidence of that except for a handful of starts in AA as a 23 year old. Agree 100pct with you. Hope he makes it as a starter for us. Anything other than a 4 or 5 is really wishful thinking.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 3, 2013 22:54:32 GMT -5
I generally support the #5 contention / projection on Ranaudo but it is possible that a guy 6'7" who can hold his velocity fairly well and tops out at 97 with a solid curveball can become more than that. Just the downward plane action with good command can enable a solid #3 or 4. I don't want to give up on any pitcher who has a chance to be a good starter at the mlb level. Those guys are too hard to come by and if they do pan out they can be worth $70-$80 mil potentially over 6 years of control.
The odds are that at least 1 or 2 of the below combination become solid starters:
Webster De La Rosa Ranaudo Workman Owens
I say keep them all and hope we get lucky. Top young pitching prospects are worth a fortune in mlb today. That is $100 mil in value there, right now IMO. Probably more.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 7:05:49 GMT -5
Don I think he's been hurt since he's been in the organization and that is why he's never performed.
The evidence that Ranaudo is a potential #2 is in the stuff he's displayed not in his performance. If he stays healthy, there is a very good chance that he could be a 2. With his history that is a big if.
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Post by sammo420 on May 4, 2013 13:03:43 GMT -5
I read somewhere (sorry no link as it was a long time ago) that statistically speaking in 2004 we had three number one starters in Pedro, Schilling and Lowe. Obviously they weren't all number one starters so take that example and turn it around the other way. Projecting someone as a number three for example, he could reach that projection but be our fifth starter.
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Post by honkbal on May 4, 2013 18:43:58 GMT -5
I read somewhere (sorry no link as it was a long time ago) that statistically speaking in 2004 we had three number one starters in Pedro, Schilling and Lowe. In 2004? When Lowe had 5.42 ERA? You read that somewhere?
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Post by sammo420 on May 5, 2013 6:49:18 GMT -5
I read somewhere (sorry no link as it was a long time ago) that statistically speaking in 2004 we had three number one starters in Pedro, Schilling and Lowe. In 2004? When Lowe had 5.42 ERA? You read that somewhere? well maybe it wasn't lowe. All I remember was there was a third who barely qualified as like the 30th or 31st best pitcher for that year.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 5, 2013 7:49:12 GMT -5
Lowe pitched like a #1 in the playoffs that year if I remember correctly. He stunk it up bad during the year though.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 5, 2013 8:31:47 GMT -5
Bronson Arroyo was the third best pitcher that year with an ERA+ of 120. Maybe the worst trade of the Theo regime, giving Arroyo away for Wily Mo' Strikeouts.
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Post by larrycook on May 5, 2013 9:50:20 GMT -5
The odds are that at least 1 or 2 of the below combination become solid starters: Webster De La Rosa Ranaudo Workman Owens I say keep them all and hope we get lucky. Top young pitching prospects are worth a fortune in mlb today. That is $100 mil in value there, right now IMO. Probably more. I still think De La Rosa is a killer closer down the road. Not sure where Workman ends up, starter or reliever. You should add Barnes to this list as well. I still think he is starter material, he just needs to build arm endurance, improve command a bit and continue to develop his secondary stuff.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 17, 2013 12:03:35 GMT -5
Light makes the Not So Hot List this week...2012 top picks not looking very good so far with less than stellar performances by Light, Johnson and Maddox. No team can afford to miss on so many top draft picks. Let's hope the 2013 drafting approach is much better as the low ceiling approach for the 2012 draft hasn't worked out very well. Pat Light, lhp, Red Sox. Light signed for $1 million as Boston’s supplemental first-round pick last year out of Monmouth, pitched well in the short-season New York-Penn League after signing and has been getting smoked in his full-season debut. The 22-year-old gave up eight runs in 3 1/3 innings in his last start, sending his ERA with low Class A Greenville up to 7.71 with 21 runs allowed in 21 innings. Given Light’s college experience, he shouldn’t be getting hit around like this in the South Atlantic League. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/prospect-hot-sheet-may-17/
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Post by raftsox on May 17, 2013 14:29:38 GMT -5
Light makes the Not So Hot List this week...2012 top picks not looking very good so far with less than stellar performances by Light, Johnson and Maddox. No team can afford to miss on so many top draft picks. Let's hope the 2013 drafting approach is much better as the low ceiling approach for the 2012 draft hasn't worked out very well. Pat Light, lhp, Red Sox. Light signed for $1 million as Boston’s supplemental first-round pick last year out of Monmouth, pitched well in the short-season New York-Penn League after signing and has been getting smoked in his full-season debut. The 22-year-old gave up eight runs in 3 1/3 innings in his last start, sending his ERA with low Class A Greenville up to 7.71 with 21 runs allowed in 21 innings. Given Light’s college experience, he shouldn’t be getting hit around like this in the South Atlantic League. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/prospect-hot-sheet-may-17/Yeah, because there's never been a prospect who had a bad season. It's a guarantee that Light, Johnson and Maddox will never perform in the majors.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 17, 2013 16:33:59 GMT -5
Yeah, because there's never been a prospect who had a bad season. It's a guarantee that Light, Johnson and Maddox will never perform in the majors. No one ever said that prospects never have bad seasons, and no one ever said that Light, etc are guaranteed busts. What was actually said was, Light shouldn't be getting hit like this in low-A given his age and experience, and that's absolutely true.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 17, 2013 16:54:03 GMT -5
I don't see the struggles of Light and Johnson the same.
Light: .403 BABIP, 49.2% GB%, 21.6% K%, 8.8% BB% Johnson: .288 BABIP, 39.4 GB%, 18.3% K%, 11.9% BB%
It wouldn't surprise me to see Light's stats regress to a more acceptable mean. Johnson, on the other hand, has been pretty disappointing in all respects.
In both cases, I'm pretty unimpressed, but I'm looking for a bigger sample size before reaching disappointment.
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Post by jimoh on May 17, 2013 17:01:18 GMT -5
Yeah, because there's never been a prospect who had a bad season. It's a guarantee that Light, Johnson and Maddox will never perform in the majors. No one ever said that prospects never have bad seasons, and no one ever said that Light, etc are guaranteed busts. What was actually said was, Light shouldn't be getting hit like this in low-A given his age and experience, and that's absolutely true. No, what was actually said was that no team can afford to "miss" on so many draft picks--as though it were possible to conclude already that the top three picks are a bust. This is the statement that was being mocked.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 17, 2013 17:37:51 GMT -5
No, what was actually said was that no team can afford to "miss" on so many draft picks-- as though it were possible to conclude already that the top three picks are a bust. This is the statement that was being mocked. There's a difference between concluding that these guys are busts and merely expressing concerns that they appear to be heading in that direction.
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Post by jimoh on May 17, 2013 20:10:13 GMT -5
No, what was actually said was that no team can afford to "miss" on so many draft picks-- as though it were possible to conclude already that the top three picks are a bust. This is the statement that was being mocked. There's a difference between concluding that these guys are busts and merely expressing concerns that they appear to be heading in that direction. Ah, the old take-something-extreme-and-then-defend-it-by-rephrasing-it-to-be-more-moderate maneuver. What was said was that they need to change their approach because of how the 2012 draftees have played so far: "No team can afford to miss on so many top draft picks. Let's hope the 2013 drafting approach is much better as the low ceiling approach for the 2012 draft hasn't worked out very well." That seems to be a conclusion that they are busts.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 17, 2013 20:44:54 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan of the drafting approach in 2012 and the performance of that class to date have been less than impressive. Sure some of these guys might turns things around but I think based on the results so far it is fair to question whether the 2012 drafting approach was flawed. The new Rule 4 draft rules provide much less margin for errors which in previous years could be offset by loading up on tough signs later in the draft and signing a few of them.
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Post by borisman on May 18, 2013 8:20:21 GMT -5
I don't see how Ranaudo hasn't made any mentions on the hot sheet. Do the actual numbers not match up with the stuff he's had so far this year? He's had 3 outings where he's given up 0 runs.
I also almost throw up in my mouth every time I see Yelich on the list. *smh* I want a re-draft!! Just this once. It's not like I'm asking for Carlos Martinez's contract to be un-voided or something unreasonable.
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Post by alnipper on May 18, 2013 19:10:19 GMT -5
When I saw Johnson pitch in college I wasn't impressed. I saw a very raw pitcher with no major league out pitch. His performance is what I expected it to be so far. I first thought after the Sox drafted him was they would sign him below slot and use the cash on other players.. So when the Sox signed him to a 7 figure contract I was surprised and disappointed. Hopefully he'll surprise me in the future. 2012 was a weak draft but I'm sure we'll find some gems.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 19, 2013 18:02:58 GMT -5
When I saw Johnson pitch in college I wasn't impressed. I saw a very raw pitcher with no major league out pitch. His performance is what I expected it to be so far. I first thought after the Sox drafted him was they would sign him below slot and use the cash on other players.. So when the Sox signed him to a 7 figure contract I was surprised and disappointed. Hopefully he'll surprise me in the future. 2012 was a weak draft but I'm sure we'll find some gems. Perhaps Johnson could be converted to a 1B/OF? BA did rate him and Maddox as the best power hitters drafted by the team in 2012.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 20, 2013 8:44:06 GMT -5
I don't see how Ranaudo hasn't made any mentions on the hot sheet. To be fair the very first sentence in this thread is "Cecchini and Ranaudo made it this week."
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Post by okin15 on May 28, 2013 11:05:32 GMT -5
oops, already in another thread
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