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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 12, 2024 1:37:06 GMT -5
Get a QB. Forget MHJ. Chiefs proved QB > elite roster with decent QB. In 2021 this energy would've said "forget Ja'Marr Chase, you need to draft Zach Wilson/Trey Lance/Justin Fields/Mac Jones instead because drafting generational QB's is the easiest path to a title". You evaluate each prospect and draft class, and then pick players accordingly rather than locking into fantasy dreams of finding a QB that can give you a Patrick Mahomes effect. That's not to say they should be gun-shy selecting a QB they believe in, but they can't force it if it's not there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2024 3:33:19 GMT -5
Mahomes is the best QB I've every seen. He's clutch like Brady, but with mobility and a rocket for an arm. So if you feel that a certain QB is anything like him, go get him. Lots of QBs in the NFL, only one Mahomes. So who is that QB Patriots can take that's like Mahomes? I think the 49ers show you a different path. Purdy isn't crazy talent, he's very smart and makes the right plays with a loaded roster. Kicker makes extra point, they likely win. Punt doesn't hit 49ers player they also likely win. So Mahomes got lucky because his offense talent outside of Kelce is the worst of his career. What Patriots don't need is another bust like Mac Jones over a stud WR. 49ers got this far, and failed before with a mediocre QB. Last few winners: 24 - Mahomes - HoF 23 - Mahomes - HoF 22 - Stafford- HoF 21 - Brady - HoF 20 - Mahomes - HoF 19 - Brady - HoF 18 - Foles - Mediocre (play Butler, then likely Brady) 17 - Brady - HoF 16 - Manning - HoF (albeit that was a very mediocre version of him) 15 - Brady - HoF 14 - Wilson - HoF So going on a decade and only 1 team with a truly mediocre QB and another with a HoF QB who was at the end of his run. I think if the kicker makes the XP the 49ers lose in regulation. Chiefs At the end had their way with the 49ers. I also wonder how far the 49ers really would have gotten if the NFC wasn't so devoid of QB play. I think the Bills could have beaten them. Same with the Ravens. But yes, if you really don't have faith in any of these QBs, take the WR, but you won't get anywhere with him either. Teams don't win. Only elite QBs do. I know football history, if you want a QB who is it? I'll take Harrison Jr over drafting the next bust anyday of the week. I don't like to hear just take any QB because of Mahomes. You wanna be the Jets with Zach Wilson or 49ers a QB away? I just don't overdraft QBs because we need one. I take Caleb Williams in two seconds, no question about it. So who's your guy at #3? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2024 6:49:13 GMT -5
49ers got this far, and failed before with a mediocre QB. Last few winners: 24 - Mahomes - HoF 23 - Mahomes - HoF 22 - Stafford- HoF 21 - Brady - HoF 20 - Mahomes - HoF 19 - Brady - HoF 18 - Foles - Mediocre (play Butler, then likely Brady) 17 - Brady - HoF 16 - Manning - HoF (albeit that was a very mediocre version of him) 15 - Brady - HoF 14 - Wilson - HoF So going on a decade and only 1 team with a truly mediocre QB and another with a HoF QB who was at the end of his run. I think if the kicker makes the XP the 49ers lose in regulation. Chiefs At the end had their way with the 49ers. I also wonder how far the 49ers really would have gotten if the NFC wasn't so devoid of QB play. I think the Bills could have beaten them. Same with the Ravens. But yes, if you really don't have faith in any of these QBs, take the WR, but you won't get anywhere with him either. Teams don't win. Only elite QBs do. I know football history, if you want a QB who is it? I'll take Harrison Jr over drafting the next bust anyday of the week. I don't like to hear just take any QB because of Mahomes. You wanna be the Jets with Zach Wilson or 49ers a QB away? I just don't overdraft QBs because we need one. I take Caleb Williams in two seconds, no question about it. So who's your guy at #3? I don't think Drake Maye or Caleb Williams are the next draft busts. I do everything in my power to swap with Chicago. If Jayden Daniels is really as good as people want to say he is and some analysts are saying is a potential 2nd pick, I'm fine with that. But if the Patriots evaluate him and think he's not an NFL QB then it would be silly to take him. If they think he is, but MHJ is a special one, still taking the QB. As fun and exciting the 49ers were, I'd rather be the Jets right now honestly. They have a good team, they're getting their old veteran HoF QB back and they have a high draft pick to take a shot at another QB. What's the difference if you don't win it? Keeping a stacked, elite team together is going to be much harder too. Though, I think a better analogy would be, would you rather be the Texans which, which I would be. It's not just Mahomes though. The NFC doesn't have any elite QBs. Take Mahomes out of the NFL and I'm willing to bet Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, or Joe Burrow (if healthy) punches through. Mahomes is just the best of the elite class. Admittedly super salty about KC winning again. Right in the middle of them crying about being off sides I was still picking them. Wanted so badly to be wrong. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2024 6:51:10 GMT -5
Get a QB. Forget MHJ. Chiefs proved QB > elite roster with decent QB. In 2021 this energy would've said "forget Ja'Marr Chase, you need to draft Zach Wilson/Trey Lance/Justin Fields/Mac Jones instead because drafting generational QB's is the easiest path to a title". You evaluate each prospect and draft class, and then pick players accordingly rather than locking into fantasy dreams of finding a QB that can give you a Patrick Mahomes effect. That's not to say they should be gun-shy selecting a QB they believe in, but they can't force it if it's not there. I get where you're going with that, but he went to a team that has Joe Burrow. Picking a QB has a high rate of failure, but it keeps showing it's the only path to a ring. |
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Post by dcb26 on Feb 12, 2024 7:38:17 GMT -5
24 - Mahomes - HoF 23 - Mahomes - HoF 22 - Stafford- HoF 21 - Brady - HoF 20 - Mahomes - HoF 19 - Brady - HoF 18 - Foles - Mediocre (play Butler, then likely Brady) 17 - Brady - HoF 16 - Manning - HoF (albeit that was a very mediocre version of him) 15 - Brady - HoF 14 - Wilson - HoF An elite QB is obviously going to dramatically increase the odds of winning, but that's not the same thing as taking them highest in the draft. Mahomes was 1/10 after the "can't miss" QB of that draft, Trubisky, went 1/2. We all know Brady's draft story. Wilson was 3/75 after Luck and RG3 went 1/1 and 2, Tannehill at 1/8, etc. (Foles was 13 picks after Wilson.) So only 2 of the wins in this list were by QB's taken in the first 9 picks of the draft. You can find an elite QB outside of the top couple of picks. As others have said, the crime would be to force that pick with a QB they don't completely believe in. |
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Post by cdj on Feb 12, 2024 7:47:25 GMT -5
Yeah I only want them picking QB if they truly believe in the guy. Otherwise it’s MHJR all day.
I believe in Daniels but I also don’t have access to 1/100th of the stuff they do
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2024 8:08:04 GMT -5
24 - Mahomes - HoF 23 - Mahomes - HoF 22 - Stafford- HoF 21 - Brady - HoF 20 - Mahomes - HoF 19 - Brady - HoF 18 - Foles - Mediocre (play Butler, then likely Brady) 17 - Brady - HoF 16 - Manning - HoF (albeit that was a very mediocre version of him) 15 - Brady - HoF 14 - Wilson - HoF An elite QB is obviously going to dramatically increase the odds of winning, but that's not the same thing as taking them highest in the draft. Mahomes was 1/10 after the "can't miss" QB of that draft, Trubisky, went 1/2. We all know Brady's draft story. Wilson was 3/75 after Luck and RG3 went 1/1 and 2, Tannehill at 1/8, etc. (Foles was 13 picks after Wilson.) So only 2 of the wins in this list were by QB's taken in the first 9 picks of the draft. You can find an elite QB outside of the top couple of picks. As others have said, the crime would be to force that pick with a QB they don't completely believe in. Yeah, the miss rate is high. The Bears loved Trubisky and failed miserably. San Fran loved Trey Lance and he was an injured mess. If you don't have an upper tier QB, you're not winning a ring. MHJ isn't going to do anything for this team. If you don't believe in Daniels then trade down, get extra picks and round out your roster with a LT, TE, and take a couple of QBs like Nix, Penix, or JJ McCarthy and hopefully Spencer Rattler. Supposedly next year's draft isn't good for QB either. And that's fair, Wilson and Brady were late to much later picks. It is possible to get elite QB play with later picks, but it's infinitely harder. The best QBs in football right now are still first rounders for the most part. In no order: Mahomes Jackson Burrow Stroud Allen Herbert Stafford Maybe Rodgers currently (obviously formerly) Cousins, Lawrence (I know 1st overall), Hurts, Dak, and Tua I think are a step down from that. Miami is actually be a good example of a pretty good QB with a HoF WR and they got absolutely shredded in the playoffs. But the RG3 draft is exactly why I've been favoring taking 2 guys. But if Wolf is literally looking at Daniels and thinks, "this guy can't play in the NFL" I don't want him to take him. If he feels like he can be a good QB, then I do and don't care what the upside of MHJ is. My first option is to give Chicago anything they want for their pick and take Caleb Williams. That San Francisco team was as loaded as loaded gets outside of the QB. KC had a very pedestrian offense and it didn't matter. Unless Kelce starts looking old, their offense will be much better next year. |
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Post by mobaz on Feb 12, 2024 9:29:51 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/draft-post-super-bowl-2024-nfl-mock-draft-five-quarterbacks-first-roundI kinda like this draft. Lots of action at the top (Maye goes second but to the Broncos and then the Commanders move back up to take McCarthy), Pats get in on the Leftover QB action with the Raiders paying to move up to 34 for Penix. I can see a scenario where McCarthy's standing is gonna be a big pivot point. As for Daniels, how would folks feel about Anthony Richardson right now? Popped in LIMITED action then ran into injury. No time to navigate ups and downs so Year 2 is all hope and hype. I wouldn't feel good about him if I wanted a contender. Same deal with Fields. I'm worrying about Daniels being more legs than arm, and 3 years in we still don't know what he is. I'd still go for it if they are 60/40 on him. I'm honestly starting to convince myself of something like McCarthy at 5 if Maye is gone. Ugh!!
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Post by costpet on Feb 12, 2024 10:27:30 GMT -5
According to Pats Pulpit, Troy Brown is not expected to be back. I guess Mayo doesn't think he's any good as a coach, just as a player.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2024 10:34:18 GMT -5
According to Pats Pulpit, Troy Brown is not expected to be back. I guess Mayo doesn't think he's any good as a coach, just as a player. Shame, but the offense showed nothing last year. If he signs elsewhere, they get a draft pick, yes? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2024 12:28:30 GMT -5
I know football history, if you want a QB who is it? I'll take Harrison Jr over drafting the next bust anyday of the week. I don't like to hear just take any QB because of Mahomes. You wanna be the Jets with Zach Wilson or 49ers a QB away? I just don't overdraft QBs because we need one. I take Caleb Williams in two seconds, no question about it. So who's your guy at #3? I don't think Drake Maye or Caleb Williams are the next draft busts. I do everything in my power to swap with Chicago. If Jayden Daniels is really as good as people want to say he is and some analysts are saying is a potential 2nd pick, I'm fine with that. But if the Patriots evaluate him and think he's not an NFL QB then it would be silly to take him. If they think he is, but MHJ is a special one, still taking the QB. As fun and exciting the 49ers were, I'd rather be the Jets right now honestly. They have a good team, they're getting their old veteran HoF QB back and they have a high draft pick to take a shot at another QB. What's the difference if you don't win it? Keeping a stacked, elite team together is going to be much harder too. Though, I think a better analogy would be, would you rather be the Texans which, which I would be. It's not just Mahomes though. The NFC doesn't have any elite QBs. Take Mahomes out of the NFL and I'm willing to bet Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, or Joe Burrow (if healthy) punches through. Mahomes is just the best of the elite class. Admittedly super salty about KC winning again. Right in the middle of them crying about being off sides I was still picking them. Wanted so badly to be wrong. Come on now, given your comments I'm looking for your opinion, not I'm fine depending on Patriots evaluation. Pick 3 what are you doing? I find that comically funny because the Jets could have Wilson and Chase at WR, along with Rodgers. Instead they have QB Wilson. I'd rather be a stacked team a QB away, than pick a bust. We have much different opinions of elite QBs. For example until Lamar Jackson wins a playoff game with his arm, he's not an elite QB in my book. He's more like an offensive weapon, that struggles if you make him pass and not just run like crazy. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 12, 2024 12:55:15 GMT -5
I don't think Drake Maye or Caleb Williams are the next draft busts. I do everything in my power to swap with Chicago. If Jayden Daniels is really as good as people want to say he is and some analysts are saying is a potential 2nd pick, I'm fine with that. But if the Patriots evaluate him and think he's not an NFL QB then it would be silly to take him. If they think he is, but MHJ is a special one, still taking the QB. As fun and exciting the 49ers were, I'd rather be the Jets right now honestly. They have a good team, they're getting their old veteran HoF QB back and they have a high draft pick to take a shot at another QB. What's the difference if you don't win it? Keeping a stacked, elite team together is going to be much harder too. Though, I think a better analogy would be, would you rather be the Texans which, which I would be. It's not just Mahomes though. The NFC doesn't have any elite QBs. Take Mahomes out of the NFL and I'm willing to bet Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, or Joe Burrow (if healthy) punches through. Mahomes is just the best of the elite class. Admittedly super salty about KC winning again. Right in the middle of them crying about being off sides I was still picking them. Wanted so badly to be wrong. Come on now, given your comments I'm looking for your opinion, not I'm fine depending on Patriots evaluation. Pick 3 what are you doing? I find that comically funny because the Jets could have Wilson and Chase at WR, along with Rodgers. Instead they have QB Wilson. I'd rather be a stacked team a QB away, than pick a bust. We have much different opinions of elite QBs. For example until Lamar Jackson wins a playoff game with his arm, he's not an elite QB in my book. He's more like an offensive weapon, that struggles if you make him pass and not just run like crazy. I'm taking Jayden Daniels if push comes to shove, but plan A is offering the moon for Caleb Williams. Plan B is trading down and taking a guy at 15 again in the scenario Jayden is deemed a bust by their scouting department. Lamar is hard to judge. I'll grant you that he's been a playoff disappointment for his career. With that said, he lost to the Superbowl winner. He absolutely would have shaken the stigma with a win. Also, I guess it is fair to say if you want to be considered one of the best you have to beat the best. He made a dynamite throw for a touchdown but unraveled as the game progressed. Why they weren't running the football is beyond me. Chiefs had a good secondary and the rush defense was more questionable. Ravens were one of the better running teams in football. No idea why they attacked with Lamar's arm. I think for the 49ers it's going to be incredibly hard to get back to the Superbowl. History isn't kind to the loser. I personally love how the 49ers are built. I wish that team was a dynasty. That's how I want football to be. Sad truth though is I don't think Purdy gets them over the hump and if they don't get back next year then it's going to be incredibly hard for them to sustain this level of play without a top tier QB. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2024 13:30:23 GMT -5
Come on now, given your comments I'm looking for your opinion, not I'm fine depending on Patriots evaluation. Pick 3 what are you doing? I find that comically funny because the Jets could have Wilson and Chase at WR, along with Rodgers. Instead they have QB Wilson. I'd rather be a stacked team a QB away, than pick a bust. We have much different opinions of elite QBs. For example until Lamar Jackson wins a playoff game with his arm, he's not an elite QB in my book. He's more like an offensive weapon, that struggles if you make him pass and not just run like crazy. I'm taking Jayden Daniels if push comes to shove, but plan A is offering the moon for Caleb Williams. Plan B is trading down and taking a guy at 15 again in the scenario Jayden is deemed a bust by their scouting department. Lamar is hard to judge. I'll grant you that he's been a playoff disappointment for his career. With that said, he lost to the Superbowl winner. He absolutely would have shaken the stigma with a win. Also, I guess it is fair to say if you want to be considered one of the best you have to beat the best. He made a dynamite throw for a touchdown but unraveled as the game progressed. Why they weren't running the football is beyond me. Chiefs had a good secondary and the rush defense was more questionable. Ravens were one of the better running teams in football. No idea why they attacked with Lamar's arm. I think for the 49ers it's going to be incredibly hard to get back to the Superbowl. History isn't kind to the loser. I personally love how the 49ers are built. I wish that team was a dynasty. That's how I want football to be. Sad truth though is I don't think Purdy gets them over the hump and if they don't get back next year then it's going to be incredibly hard for them to sustain this level of play without a top tier QB. No he's not, 2-4 in playoffs 57% completion percentage 6TD, 6 Interceptions QB rating of 75.7. He plays like a bad starter in playoffs. For me it's not even about winning, just him playing well when they can't run it down the other teams throats all game long. Because they couldn't, take out two big runs and they were horrible. Chiefs sold out to stop the run, freeing up the rest of the field. Should have made things easier on him, it didn't. Every team will do that until he proves he can win games with his arm! That's the thing with the playoffs, multiple teams with really good defenses. I think Purdy makes it easy to sustain because he costs nothing. Going to say Mac Jones to 49ers is crazy likely. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 12, 2024 14:13:10 GMT -5
An argument claiming "HoF QBs win SBs, so to win a SB go find a HoF QB," to me, sounds circular. One leg entirely dependent on the other. I think some QBs are in the HoF precisely because their team had SB success -- with zero research, I think of Plunkett, Namath, Aikman, someday Eli, maybe Steve Young, surely there are others. These QBs played on very good teams that won the big game. Does that give them mythical powers, would their teams have lost with a competent replacement?
Personally, I favor trading down. Maybe take one of Penix, JJ, the Tulane kid (Mel chatting him up this week -- he's a fan), the Rattler (great name for a QB -- "The Rattler bites Bills"), or not. Give me instead 4 or 5 top 60 picks, say 2 of the top 8 OTs plus a DT Sweat or Jenkins, the Texas TE Sanders, maybe a CB like Rakestraw, a WR like Thrash, Pearsall or R Wilson later. Maybe grab RB1 in the low 100s.
That's just me because as I told my Chiefs fan son-in-law years ago, there's no price I wouldn't pay for THE GUY, in my case TB12 ("you'd pay TEN number ones for him?" Yup) and now, in his case, Mahomes. He's worth it.
But what are the odds a THE GUY is in this draft? And if so, is he the ones at the top?
I think it becomes a math exercise: say 5% chance this guy is IT but he costs pick #3 overall, whereas only a 1% chance this guy is IT, but he cost pick #122 overall -- what can we do with that spread and how does that correlate to building a championship level team?
Btw, THAT GUY's team scored 19 points in regulation. Had he had a previous incarnation of his team's defense, they would have lost. Tommy scored 13 points his last SB here, passed for 130 yards in the first one. Point: now matter how great the QB, you still need other players playing well.
All right, carry on.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2024 15:31:18 GMT -5
I really like Spencer Rattler if recent reports saying he's a late 3rd to 4th round guy. Top of the 3rd round isn't bad for a QB who physically is about as gifted as any QB in the draft. 4 years starting experience in multiple systems, yet all in power 5 conferences. His struggles at South Carolina mean its much easier to make things easier on him talent wise in NFL. Yeah he has issues and could certainly bust, it's just top of the 3rd round. Not pick #3. His accuracy likely plays up very well in a west coast system. Go WR, OT, Rattler, then more weapons like RB, TE, WR and more OL help. Wouldn't be crazy to not draft a single defensive player.
Pratt reminds me of Purdy. He might be able to have NFL success, but just like with Purdy, there's a limit to what they can become and do. Pratt just can't make a bunch of throws Rattler can. Yeah Rattler might end up being Winston with tons of interceptions, but he can make any throw look easy.
Patriots front office talking about big explosive plays.
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 12, 2024 23:45:07 GMT -5
Here’s why I’m taking a QB in the first or second and why I’m positive that’s the plan: AVP. Yeah, he was an uninspiring choice for OC but what he brings to the table is proven success putting QBs in a position to succeed and, unlike the other hot names we talked to, he doesn’t strike me as the type to bounce after a year for the first available HC gig. He’s a guy who will likely be around for a while and that stability is what a young QB needs. His offense is also probably going to be a more balanced system that pulls focus away from throwing 55 times a game. I do think we mine FA for a solid backup (Jake Browning?) and that might be who starts this year. But I do see the QB position stabilizing with AVP here.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Feb 13, 2024 0:24:29 GMT -5
The one thing I'll take from the SB is that it's about the QB and not the coach. If you're not sure about 3 pick and taking QB then take MHJ and find your QB in 2rd or trade up in the 1rd again. Next year's draft on QB's are weak they have predicted but a lot can happen next year it's very strong on OL so you need to find your QB this year I would think.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 13, 2024 13:22:27 GMT -5
www.pff.com/news/draft-post-super-bowl-2024-nfl-mock-draft-five-quarterbacks-first-roundI kinda like this draft. Lots of action at the top (Maye goes second but to the Broncos and then the Commanders move back up to take McCarthy), Pats get in on the Leftover QB action with the Raiders paying to move up to 34 for Penix. I can see a scenario where McCarthy's standing is gonna be a big pivot point. As for Daniels, how would folks feel about Anthony Richardson right now? Popped in LIMITED action then ran into injury. No time to navigate ups and downs so Year 2 is all hope and hype. I wouldn't feel good about him if I wanted a contender. Same deal with Fields. I'm worrying about Daniels being more legs than arm, and 3 years in we still don't know what he is. I'd still go for it if they are 60/40 on him. I'm honestly starting to convince myself of something like McCarthy at 5 if Maye is gone. Ugh!! That's the huge worry, Richardson injured running the ball and he's a tank compared to Daniels. AC joint in his throwing shoulder, there's a chance he's never the same 4 games into his career. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 14, 2024 13:23:09 GMT -5
I'm taking Jayden Daniels if push comes to shove, but plan A is offering the moon for Caleb Williams. Plan B is trading down and taking a guy at 15 again in the scenario Jayden is deemed a bust by their scouting department. Lamar is hard to judge. I'll grant you that he's been a playoff disappointment for his career. With that said, he lost to the Superbowl winner. He absolutely would have shaken the stigma with a win. Also, I guess it is fair to say if you want to be considered one of the best you have to beat the best. He made a dynamite throw for a touchdown but unraveled as the game progressed. Why they weren't running the football is beyond me. Chiefs had a good secondary and the rush defense was more questionable. Ravens were one of the better running teams in football. No idea why they attacked with Lamar's arm. I think for the 49ers it's going to be incredibly hard to get back to the Superbowl. History isn't kind to the loser. I personally love how the 49ers are built. I wish that team was a dynasty. That's how I want football to be. Sad truth though is I don't think Purdy gets them over the hump and if they don't get back next year then it's going to be incredibly hard for them to sustain this level of play without a top tier QB. No he's not, 2-4 in playoffs 57% completion percentage 6TD, 6 Interceptions QB rating of 75.7. He plays like a bad starter in playoffs. For me it's not even about winning, just him playing well when they can't run it down the other teams throats all game long. Because they couldn't, take out two big runs and they were horrible. Chiefs sold out to stop the run, freeing up the rest of the field. Should have made things easier on him, it didn't. Every team will do that until he proves he can win games with his arm! That's the thing with the playoffs, multiple teams with really good defenses. I think Purdy makes it easy to sustain because he costs nothing. Going to say Mac Jones to 49ers is crazy likely. Lamar is an MVP. I think you're selling him a bit short. If it were that easy to defend him they wouldn't be one of the top teams in football. With that said, I agree he's a playoff disappointment. He's basically the Clayton Kershaw, Chris Sale, David Price of football. Lamar had 5 passing TD against Miami. Two passing TDs in a blowout win over the 49ers. His completion percentage was 67.2% and threw for almost 3,700 yards. For reference, Mahomes had a 67.2% completion and 4200 yards. Lamar had a career year throwing the ball. Not saying he's an elite passer like Mahomes, but I think he's being a little under sold here. Just for whatever reason he's not a good playoff performer and I'll never bet on him to win it all. I would agree to Mac Jones to the 49ers. That makes so much sense. They supposedly liked him with their 3rd pick over Trey Lance. |
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Post by rasimon on Feb 14, 2024 17:30:51 GMT -5
I would try to trade down to 6-8 range. You will still get a blue chip talent and you get significant additional draft capital. As of pick 8 at least 3 of the following guys will be available: Williams, Maye, Daniels, MHJ, Nabors, Bowers, Alt, Fashanu, Fuega, Latham. Maybe more than 3 if someone goes defense early. If they were just one player away then yeah trade up to get your guy but ...
They need a Qb but the OT situation is pretty bad. They are going to lose Trent Brown and possibly Onwenu. And FA does not look like a good option to replace them. Tyron Smith is very good, but he is 33 and has only played for DAL. Hard to believe he goes anywhere else. After that the next best OTs are Brown and Onwenu. Mehki Becton was good in 2020. He missed almost all of 2021 and 2022. He played most of 2023 but was crappy. Jonah Williams has been durable but he has also been pretty crappy the last two years. Jermaine Eluemunor has been ok the last two years after a few poor years. He has mostly played RT. Josh Jones. Donovan Smith. George Fant. None of these guys are attractive options. Anyone they get in FA (except Smith) will be a step down from Brown and Onwenu. Could the Pats OL be worse than last year? Maybe...
If they go Qb at 3 what OTs will be available at 34? Alt, Fashanu, Fuega, Latham will definitely be gone by 34. Guyton or Mims could be available - or maybe not. Barton, Morgan, Fautanu, Beebe are probably available although they may not be OTs for various reasons. Suamataia and Paul should be available.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 14, 2024 19:03:17 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 14, 2024 19:57:06 GMT -5
shut up Tom
He was mad because bill said he couldn’t keep the medical fraud snake oil salesman bff in the locker room to undermine the professional training staff. Total ******* baby move. Have some class and keep your issues to yourself
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 14, 2024 20:09:22 GMT -5
shut up Tom He was mad because bill said he couldn’t keep the medical fraud snake oil salesman bff in the locker room to undermine the professional training staff. Total ******* baby move. Have some class and keep your issues to yourself I hate Guerrero between the concussion water and the fake cancer treatment. Dude is a scum bag of the highest order. With that said, do you let the greatest QB ever go over him? If he feels like it works then just let him do his thing. I know this was a real point of contention between the two, but I don't think it was the only problem. |
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Post by cdj on Feb 14, 2024 20:37:15 GMT -5
shut up Tom He was mad because bill said he couldn’t keep the medical fraud snake oil salesman bff in the locker room to undermine the professional training staff. Total ******* baby move. Have some class and keep your issues to yourself I hate Guerrero between the concussion water and the fake cancer treatment. Dude is a scum bag of the highest order. With that said, do you let the greatest QB ever go over him? If he feels like it works then just let him do his thing. I know this was a real point of contention between the two, but I don't think it was the only problem. I don’t have a problem with Guerrero being kept around to work with Brady, I do have a problem with him undermining the training staff with other players |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 14, 2024 22:33:04 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/sports/perry-pats-shouldnt-trade-caleb-005243154.htmlPhil Perry we shouldn't trade up for Caleb Williams because he had 21 turnovers in 12 games last year. 16 fumbles and 5 interceptions. This shocked me, so I looked into it. The whole USC team had 11 fumbles last year and Williams had 3 sack fumbles in 12 games. 3 interceptions came against Notre Dame and our D just destroyed his OL all game like crazy. That's 5 TOs in the other 11 games with a rather bad OL. That's actually really good given the OL play I watched on tape and the amount of NFL defenders he played against. I don't know where Phil Perry gets his information, but we deserve better!
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