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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 20, 2024 11:37:26 GMT -5
Now I'm thinking: Wouldn't Sweat, alongside Barmore & paired with Judon and White, be tough to matchup with, especially on passing downs?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 20, 2024 12:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2024 12:38:45 GMT -5
I don't think so, Sweat is a red shirt Senior and only one year of okay for a NT production, sacks, TFL and QB hits. Two drafts ago we had two very good NT, Davis and Travis Jones. Davis was the combine freak and he's still basically a part time player, only playing 45% of the snaps. Travis Jones dominated the Senior Bowl, I know a bunch of us were very high on him. Hasn't even started games yet. Unless you want to run a 3-4, I don't see it. Guys like Wise and White inside will give you more pass rush on passing downs and it's a passing league. Sweat also wouldn't weigh in at Senior Bowl and is like Trent Brown where it's a big challenge to the coaching staff to keep his weight down.
New coaching staff so who knows, anything could be in play. I've just moved on from the massive 3-4 NT given how the game has changed. I wouldn't say I won't draft him, just no where near the 1st round. I'd also point out it's a very deep class of DT this year. 3rd, 4th, 5th and maybe even later will have some good players. We certainly need an upgrade at DT and DE, with DT being the bigger need. Just my two cents, so watch them take him early.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2024 12:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Feb 20, 2024 13:15:46 GMT -5
Was coming to post the same. Some other Patriots highlights: Incoming: 5. Wilkins 30. Jonah Williams Outgoing: 25. Kyle Dugger to Commanders 26. Mike Onwenu to Chargers (oh god that makes so much sense given Harbaugh). Tag that man! 41. Trent Brown to Panthers. I feel like Sweat is closer to a late 1st rounder than available in the 3rd, but just going off Mocks. Agree he's not the right priority level (I'd rather sign Barmore and get someone in FA/later draft). I just like him.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Feb 20, 2024 15:28:03 GMT -5
Hell of a career Matthew Slater. It now truly feels like the old Patriots are dead and gone. Hope he ends up in the HOF eventually
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 20, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
Was coming to post the same. Some other Patriots highlights: Incoming: 5. Wilkins 30. Jonah Williams Outgoing: 25. Kyle Dugger to Commanders 26. Mike Onwenu to Chargers (oh god that makes so much sense given Harbaugh). Tag that man! 41. Trent Brown to Panthers. I feel like Sweat is closer to a late 1st rounder than available in the 3rd, but just going off Mocks. Agree he's not the right priority level (I'd rather sign Barmore and get someone in FA/later draft). I just like him. I've assumed they'd work out a deal with Dugger, a very good player. But now after reading this column, if it was an either/or, I'd rather have Wilkins and lose Dugger. I'll miss him but: The 1st dynasty was built in the DL (Seymour, Vince, Ty Warren, Washington, etc); Peppers has been great & maybe Bledsoe is ready to step up, or increased role for hybrid safety/corner Myles Bryant (getting better & better) or increased role for hybrid safety/corner Patty Mills (played some good safety at year's end). Plus hybrid LB/safety Mapu. Plus draft. The defense could be great in 2024 with a key addition, or two, and the return of Judon, Gonzalez & Marcus Jones.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Feb 20, 2024 18:08:21 GMT -5
Anybody watching apple tv dynasty patriots? Is it worth signing up for or not?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 20, 2024 18:23:16 GMT -5
Anybody watching apple tv dynasty patriots? Is it worth signing up for or not? I've been wondering the same. Some have suggested the perspective is slanted. Today I learned the production company is Kraft Dynasty(ies?) LLC. So maybe I'll pass, at least for now.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 20, 2024 18:27:58 GMT -5
Some McCarthy volume propaganda. Scroll through the whole thread if you can. Based on these stats there should be plenty of tape on McCarthy in meaningful situations for those who need it. He didn't even need to play in 7 fourth quarters!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 21, 2024 8:07:13 GMT -5
Anybody watching apple tv dynasty patriots? Is it worth signing up for or not? I've been wondering the same. Some have suggested the perspective is slanted. Today I learned the production company is Kraft Dynasty(ies?) LLC. So maybe I'll pass, at least for now. I was interested until I heard Felger talk about how they went over the Bledsoe/Brady transition. They make it sound like the media and fans were in favor of Bledsoe over Brady and that Bill was putting his job on the line when in reality most people were in favor with the switch. That Bledsoe's performance was on the decline and they struggled out of the gate. Mentioned that the series talks about the Rams loss as people questioning Bill when in reality most people looked at that like that realized they might have something here with Brady. I was 13 and just getting into football so I couldn't tell you who is more accurate in this case. From what I understand, there's been exactly 0 mention of Bill Parcells which is pretty crazy since the organizational changes began with him. At least give the man a blurb.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 21, 2024 12:10:46 GMT -5
Interesting Patriots OL grades for fans of PFF:
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 21, 2024 12:17:36 GMT -5
Anybody watching apple tv dynasty patriots? Is it worth signing up for or not? It's outstanding. It really is. The players are who drive this, not the Krafts, which is how it should be. My wife and I started the series, and I expected her to be checked out on her phone within 15 minutes, but she was enthralled and immediately wanted to start episode 2 (they're releasing two per week, every Friday). My experience, for context, is that I missed a lot of this the first time around. I was away in college when the dynasty started, so I knew what was going on, but I was pretty detached from the fanbase as a result. A great deal of the public opinion was lost to me, particularly the Brady-Bledsoe stuff. Like, I knew we needed to move on from Bledsoe (too many INTs for my taste and I was a big Michael Bishop guy the season prior) but I also was getting weekly game reports from my mom, who isn't exactly the best source on which to rely, so I was skeptical of Brady. I remember feeling really good about the team as a whole after the first Rams game, but that was more based on the defense. I don't remember thinking Brady was the future GOAT, but he was serviceable. Long way of saying I'm finding this immensely informative and entertaining. I think the players are honest and open about what they experienced. They've mined some really good footage that really added deep, important context. And I don't think they're trying to sugar coat anything. No one is going to be viewing this as a hagiography when it's over.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2024 12:28:38 GMT -5
Some McCarthy volume propaganda. Scroll through the whole thread if you can. Based on these stats there should be plenty of tape on McCarthy in meaningful situations for those who need it. He didn't even need to play in 7 fourth quarters! What is it with people cherry picking data for McCarthy without context? I'm not blaming you, but it's everywhere. McCarthy played in 15 games, the other 3 played in 12 games. They conveniently leave off the other two QB who played more games like Nix 14 and Penix 15. Per game first half attempts without screens, Maye 16.2, Daniels 15.3, Williams 13.9 and McCarthy 13.3. It's actually the opposite of what that tweet is trying to say. He's not #1, he's last. McCarthy also played all four quarters against the 5 ranked teams he played this year, with rather poor numbers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2024 12:35:12 GMT -5
Interesting Patriots OL grades for fans of PFF: That's darn good for Sow as a rookie, considering he spent all offseason and preseason playing OT and then thrown into OG game 1. Any breakdown of Onwenu playing OG versus OT? I thought he sucked at OG this year and really turned it on at OT. Likely because he wasn't fully healthy or in shape yet coming off of injury.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2024 13:40:14 GMT -5
Interesting Patriots OL grades for fans of PFF: That's darn good for Sow as a rookie, considering he spent all offseason and preseason playing OT and then thrown into OG game 1. Any breakdown of Onwenu playing OG versus OT? I thought he sucked at OG this year and really turned it on at OT. Likely because he wasn't fully healthy or in shape yet coming off of injury. Letting to or Onwenu would be a massive mistake. One of epic proportions. If he’s not tagged, they are a bunch of morons. Hunter Henry is the number 2 guy they should be keeping, unless the money got stupid but why would that happen? The only reason he’s important is because they legit have no one else and he’s at least solid. I’d take Duggar back at the right money but if he’s getting paid like a top safety then he can leave; he’s not that good but I like our D and would like the continuity keeping him provides.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2024 22:50:18 GMT -5
I'd hate to tag him, rather a deal before, but yeah you basically have to. Like I'd want to pay him 5 years 75 million, out after 3. I would go to 90 million though. The OL needs so much work, you can't lose him. They only thing stopping me is if he really doesn't want to play RT. I'm not going massive for a RG, has to be RT. First time in his career spend the offseason getting ready for RT.
You should resign Henry, he's better than he's shown given QB play. He shouldn't break the bank either. I'd also resign Brown, but price matters with him.
Jennings is also very important, he was basically the best run defender at edge in the league last year. He shouldn't cost much either, Wise type deal.
Dugger is all about price. You want him back, just depends on the price. We have options to replace him, other options in free agency and the draft.
Judon is a big issue given he wanted a new deal last year, but maybe we get lucky given he missed most of the year.
I have a feeling they go after Mayfield, I just don't know if it's more if the price is right or they really want him. It's such an easy way to upgrade the position for a guy who did well with our new OC. Opens up so many options in the draft and frankly is a safe play that could have you surprising people next year.
My favorite time of the year starts in just a few days with the NFL combine, along with Winter starting to give way to spring!
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Post by cdj on Feb 21, 2024 23:57:27 GMT -5
I'd hate to tag him, rather a deal before, but yeah you basically have to. Like I'd want to pay him 5 years 75 million, out after 3. I would go to 90 million though. The OL needs so much work, you can't lose him. They only thing stopping me is if he really doesn't want to play RT. I'm not going massive for a RG, has to be RT. First time in his career spend the offseason getting ready for RT. You should resign Henry, he's better than he's shown given QB play. He shouldn't break the bank either. I'd also resign Brown, but price matters with him. Jennings is also very important, he was basically the best run defender at edge in the league last year. He shouldn't cost much either, Wise type deal. Dugger is all about price. You want him back, just depends on the price. We have options to replace him, other options in free agency and the draft. Judon is a big issue given he wanted a new deal last year, but maybe we get lucky given he missed most of the year. I have a feeling they go after Mayfield, I just don't know if it's more if the price is right or they really want him. It's such an easy way to upgrade the position for a guy who did well with our new OC. Opens up so many options in the draft and frankly is a safe play that could have you surprising people next year. My favorite time of the year starts in just a few days with the NFL combine, along with Winter starting to give way to spring! If they go after Mayfield I would have to imagine it’s because AVP is giving positive feedback on him and they believe in him
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2024 13:22:07 GMT -5
I'd hate to tag him, rather a deal before, but yeah you basically have to. Like I'd want to pay him 5 years 75 million, out after 3. I would go to 90 million though. The OL needs so much work, you can't lose him. They only thing stopping me is if he really doesn't want to play RT. I'm not going massive for a RG, has to be RT. First time in his career spend the offseason getting ready for RT. You should resign Henry, he's better than he's shown given QB play. He shouldn't break the bank either. I'd also resign Brown, but price matters with him. Jennings is also very important, he was basically the best run defender at edge in the league last year. He shouldn't cost much either, Wise type deal. Dugger is all about price. You want him back, just depends on the price. We have options to replace him, other options in free agency and the draft. Judon is a big issue given he wanted a new deal last year, but maybe we get lucky given he missed most of the year. I have a feeling they go after Mayfield, I just don't know if it's more if the price is right or they really want him. It's such an easy way to upgrade the position for a guy who did well with our new OC. Opens up so many options in the draft and frankly is a safe play that could have you surprising people next year. My favorite time of the year starts in just a few days with the NFL combine, along with Winter starting to give way to spring! If they go after Mayfield I would have to imagine it’s because AVP is giving positive feedback on him and they believe in him Absolutely, before AVP he was an option, but unlikely. Now he's an option that you really need to look at. Add in they kept Bills guys, reports said Bill loved him. If he's around $25 million a year, you have to think about it. If it gets crazy, that's different. Baker is on record saying the OC and system matter to him. He had multiple good years under AVP. Weapons like Harrison Jr or Bowers, or top LT can be a big selling point. Could pair him up with Mike Evans again. Also reports that Nick Chubb could be released due to his large cap number and coming off injury. TE Harrison Bryant to add depth, along with Donovan Peoples-Jones at WR. Also add Jacoby Brissett at QB. He clearly has a lot of say and bringing in guys who already know his system will certainly help speed things up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2024 21:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 22, 2024 22:46:33 GMT -5
Love the Maye/Pratt double dip
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2024 23:45:14 GMT -5
I thought that also at first, he's going to Browns. Notre Dame RB to us, that's a much better pick for me if you take Maye at #3. One cut power RB with HR speed, nice combo with Stevenson. I was torn on him when he was going top 100, steal in the 5th round.
QB, OT, WR, TE, RB, CB, S and DE. Try to rebuild the offense and fill out depth for D
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 23, 2024 9:03:21 GMT -5
The more and more I read and hear about the top 3 guys, I'm happy. People are now putting Daniels at 2 and even 1 (very few). All 3 guys at the top probably have more hype around them than the likes of Bryce Young, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, and Mitch Trubisky. Scouts genuinely seem to love all 3. Don't get cute. Take one of the 3.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 23, 2024 9:28:21 GMT -5
Greg Cosell is NOT a fan of Joe Alt, but does like other OL:
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Post by texs31 on Feb 23, 2024 12:51:47 GMT -5
New cap # coming in at over 255m. Assuming they cut JCJ, they will have over 100m to spend.
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