Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread

Kurt Warner offers some interesting perspective (has a full thread) on the difficulty he's facing watching tape on the top college QBs -- not seeing much transferable to NFL throws/actions on tape. OL guru Geoff Schwartz having similar issues watching the big lugs play:

I don't think it's bad, contracts will just be bigger. The gap in cap space is still the same and a 1/3 of the league still needs to get major cap space somehow.

Notre Dame Homer, Joe Alt worries me that he's going to be good, not great and more of a good pass blocking and so so run blocker type LT. Nate Solder jumps to mind, that's not good in this draft class at pick 5 to 10. I just can't get over Notre Dame never running behind him, also middle or to the right side. Our RT, also in this draft is the opposite, very good run blocker and shaky versus the pass. We need elite talent, not good talent at the top of this draft.

I do wonder if Warner is talking about the old NFL or its who's tape he's watching. I have that crap in my notes for guys like Nix, McCarthy and Pratt. Heck Daniels outside of deep balls. I don't see that with Williams, Maye, Penix and Rattler. It's new age, the whole group doesn't work under center and that can work in the NFL now. Though most will have to learn to be under center much more than in college.

Same crap with WR, don't give me the fast Walker types that run limited route trees and aren't good route runners. I want guys like Thrash who are great at running routes or at minimum someone that decent with good physical traits. We have reports Thornton is bulking up for year 3, what he needs to do is learn how to run routes!

So much analysis and data, so many people still act like the late Raiders owner and want the best athletes. I want the best football players. It's only beginning, wait till certain players blow up the combine and shoot up draft boards because they run fast with no pads on in a straight line.

I don't think the hype around Trey Lance and others were as high as these 3. I think if you put them all in the same draft Caleb goes before Trevor who goes 2 and then the Maye or Daniels. Trevor Lawrence is at least a starting NFL caliber QB. I'm really, really hoping someone is taking the cheese on Daniels because I question his size. Drake Maye is my preferred option.

For example, just glossing over scouting reports of Trey Lance and Jayden Daniels.

Jayden's primary weaknesses are size and good, but not elite throwing arm.

Trey Lance was listed as raw, lacks vision, locks into first read and runs if first read is covered, not comfortable throwing in a tight window, slow to work through progressions.

Maye's weaknesses are listed as can improve footwork, can tighten up mechanics for better throwing efficiency, and while an excellent scrambler, can take too long to make a decision, and the only thing about his weaknesses that really worries me is prone to risky decisions under pressure resulting in turnovers.


I'm not saying that Trey Lance or they other guys weren’t hyped, but not like these 3 are. I put the odds of any of them falling past 5 as nil in a draft that also features a few high caliber WR and an elite TE.

sign our guy onewahu,i buthered that but you get the message. 

It's too bad Isaiah Wynn can't stay healthy. New coach, new OL coaches, going to be cheap. If he could stay healthy I'd say give him a shot at LT. Only one full season in 6 years, you likely get Only half a season before he gets injured. Had a very good two year stretch at LT before that crazy move to RT. Was top 10 pass blocking and run blocking.

You could pair him with a lower round rookie, giving the rookie time to get ready.

Trevor Lawrence was the most highly touted QB prospect since Luck and Peyton… Caleb Williams isn’t nearly that. Lawrence would be going first.

id give up a bunch of draft capital or players for lawrence wont happen but just saing

Not sure if Daniels skipping is good or bad for my dream of Washington picking him and leaving my favorite prospect Drake Maye to us. Come on Washington, do this one for me and I’ll even go along with your stupid name change.

I heard or saw something maybe in November or December that said if you ranked the top QB prospects of the past 10 years, Williams (#2) and Maye would be in the top 5 - both considered generational talents. Now that Daniels is pushing into that tier, you could make the case that we're looking at 3 of the top 6 for this draft, in which case you go QB.

Regarding Lance, he was considered an intriguing prospect who played against terrible competition. No one saw it coming when the Niners latched on to him so high. It felt like a smartest-guys-in-the-room move.

Maybe overvaluing the hype around Caleb and undervaluing Trevor Lawrence. I do remember him being the best QB prospect since Luck. Either way, doesn't really change the narrative much since the point is Lawrence is at least serviceable while still having breakout potential. Caleb's hype is still very real being the defacto top pick in a stacked class.

www.profootballnetwork.com/jayden-daniels-draft-scouting-2024/

bleacherreport.com/articles/10090917-jayden-daniels-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-lsu-qb


www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jayden-Daniels-QB-ArizonaState

Other than Daniels frame there's really not much listed in the negatives that give me a ton of pause. As long as the arm is average and can improve on throwing on the run he should be fine.

My personal preference is
Caleb > Maye > Daniels, but I'm OK with going with Daniels. He can probably work more with less than Maye because of his legs. Really wish they didn't win that Broncos game though.

Daniel Jeremiah updated Top 50 with nicely detailed writeups:

www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0