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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
badfishnbc
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 29, 2024 9:06:42 GMT -5
Mayo seems to like J C Jackson. But, how much does he really like him? If they cut him, they save $14 million with no dead money on their salary cap. I could see him cutting JC and bringing him back under a more team friendly deal Yeah, there seems to be too much upside to not cutting him. Best case scenario is he re-signs on a better, short-term deal, rebounds in a major way and isn't a locker room disruption, and we extend him. Worst case: we cut him, he doesn't come back and we sign a better player to replace him. The reason I think (hope?) he comes back is that I do think we're a tad thin at the corner position. Austin obviously was a revelation in the late stretch, but man, I cannot endure another season of major Myles Bryant minutes. I'd like to see a strong push to add a CB in the 4-6 round range, with a few other swings at those undrafted gems we always seem to uncover.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 29, 2024 9:23:10 GMT -5
Like the idea of adding a veteran into the mix (one way or another). I also wonder how Marcus Wilson and Isaiah Bolden factor it. Reports suggested that the team was high on Bolden before placing him on IR and Wilson started in Arizona (not that it's saying THAT much).
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Feb 29, 2024 12:10:00 GMT -5
If they are gonna end up with Daniels I’d sign Tyrod, I’d sign Brissett if we get one of the other 2
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2024 13:33:14 GMT -5
I don't agree, the overwhelming majority of free agents aren't turning down the best contract because of crap like daycare. Now the Weather and Taxes, that's entirely different. I mean, people will turn down an equal contract to go to a better working environment. They are people just like us. And I do think, unfortunately, there have been investments in the stadium and Pats Place which is great for fans, but players see it as less money invested into their specific facilities. The weight room is rated worst in the league. The family situation is rated 3rd worst. The highest ranking area is 15th! And yes, the Chiefs are ranked worst. But what do they have? The reincarnation of Tom Brady. Players will do what they did here for 20 years and take less to have a chance to win. The Krafts need to realize they can't cheap out on player contracts anymore because "we have a great culture" the survey proves we do not. The first thing is these aren't average people, minimum practice squad players make $12,000 a week and $216,000 a year. Most players are focused on building their careers, best place to do that and making the most money. Meyers left over a few million and is pissed Bill wouldn't budge. That was Bill's way, I'm fairly positive that crap is over. It will likely be like 3 years ago when Bill went crazy. Bill also didn't like fake deals where you'd have to cut or restructure a contract. All the other teams do that all the time and I expect we'll start to also. Bill focused on depth over star players, again that likely changes. A lot of these things are a little crazy, 77% to 89% being almost last to middle of the pack. Most companies would love those numbers of everyone happy but one in five or one out of ten. Weight room equipment being dead last, yeah it needs to be addressed. It's a fraction of our yearly payroll to replace all of the equipment. Strength coach 65%, yeah that's too low. Our owner investing at 69%, yeah way too low. The funny thing is this is all on our crazy rich owner. Chiefs just announced after 2026 they will do renovations on the stadium. Kraft should do the same thing, heck he should have new weight room equipment installed ASAP! Mayo did just hire an absolutely massive coaching staff, compared to what Bill would have. Still don't think we'll have issues signing free agents and the bigger thing being how they feel about Boston. Weather sucks, taxes suck, crazy rules suck, it's also a rather nice city with a lot of things to do. Massachusetts has lowest homicide gun rates in the Country, good school systems and a bunch of great colleges. All important things for families.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2024 13:51:07 GMT -5
If they are gonna end up with Daniels I’d sign Tyrod, I’d sign Brissett if we get one of the other 2 That article is very misleading! His sources for Patriots taking a QB at 3 is guys on other teams, what they expect. I believe what Mayo and Wolf say, there are 10 different scenarios. You don't have that if you are 100% taking QB at #3. That to me matches what Wolf said, they'll look at all options. Depending on the veteran they sign, it could greatly impact who they draft as a QB. I do like the 4th or 5th rounder for Mac Jones. If Daniels is your guy, Taylor isn't a bad signing. At the same time is he good enough to start for a year?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2024 13:55:12 GMT -5
I love JC Jackson and if he accepts a low level contract I want him back. At the same time one reporter mentioned Gilmore, who sportrac estimates $11.2 million a year. He's not the same defensive player of the year, but wow him and Gonzalez, with both Jones, then the young guys would be one heck of a CB group. Gilmore teaching Gonzalez is also a huge plus.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 29, 2024 14:05:23 GMT -5
Watched a fair amount of Cowboys this past year & my amateur scouting report on Gilmore: still smart & still a strong & willing tackler but has lost another half step or so, meaning not only can the league's elite run by him, but those merely fast can too.
But Ty Law or Revis weren't all that fast either. So sign him up but just don't put him on any islands please.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 29, 2024 14:44:22 GMT -5
Not all players honored the Spirit of the Survey:
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Post by rasimon on Feb 29, 2024 16:34:49 GMT -5
I love JC Jackson and if he accepts a low level contract I want him back. At the same time one reporter mentioned Gilmore, who sportrac estimates $11.2 million a year. He's not the same defensive player of the year, but wow him and Gonzalez, with both Jones, then the young guys would be one heck of a CB group. Gilmore teaching Gonzalez is also a huge plus. Its time to move on from JC Jackson. He has been atrociously bad for two years running. Maybe that was due to injuries (ankle surgery & ruptured tendon) but he has still been bad...really really bad. He is apparently not the easiest guy to work with either. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chargers-gm-apologized-to-defensive-backs-during-team-meeting-for-j-c-jackson-signing-per-report/And then there are the multiple arrests.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 29, 2024 17:19:23 GMT -5
Forget WR at #34 -- give me instead one of these guys to put next to Barmore:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 29, 2024 23:31:17 GMT -5
I love JC Jackson and if he accepts a low level contract I want him back. At the same time one reporter mentioned Gilmore, who sportrac estimates $11.2 million a year. He's not the same defensive player of the year, but wow him and Gonzalez, with both Jones, then the young guys would be one heck of a CB group. Gilmore teaching Gonzalez is also a huge plus. Its time to move on from JC Jackson. He has been atrociously bad for two years running. Maybe that was due to injuries (ankle surgery & ruptured tendon) but he has still been bad...really really bad. He is apparently not the easiest guy to work with either. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chargers-gm-apologized-to-defensive-backs-during-team-meeting-for-j-c-jackson-signing-per-report/And then there are the multiple arrests. I disagree. First off the contract I'd give him would make cutting him on cut down day cost very little. 2nd I think he played rather well last year given he wasn't yet 100% healthy. Completion percentage and PD were rather good. His advanced stats are bad because of things like the Maimi game with him playing the low, in high low coverage and our rookie safety completely blowing the play 100%. He was closet guy because Mapu playing FS was clueless acting like it was a run. That's not on Jackson, that's on the coaching staff and the rookie.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 1, 2024 8:00:15 GMT -5
Assuming he does get cut, and it looks like you're right on that, I don't get why Wilson over Cousins. Cousins has been a better QB outside of the playoffs and I feel like you're less likely to get there with Wilson. As for Mayfield, they could have used the tag, but it looks like Mayfield would have lost money and both sides seem to want to work out a deal. Could be lip service, but I think there's something there between the two parties. I can see him being nervous about going to another club since his last two didn't end well and he has a good thing going here. Fair or unfair regarding the Browns exit they still gave up on him. Penix interests me, but his age and two knee surgeries have me concerned. I don't think Cousins has been better. Wilson had one bad season, on a bad Denver team and bounced back last year. Same draft, same age, go look at the stats. Then look at Wilson versus Cousins rushing, the yards, TDs and first downs. That's a massive difference. You don't need a top pass blocking OL with Wilson, you do with Cousins. His OC is gone, so that goes out the Window. He knows our OC and did well under him. Who knows maybe that's big with him. We have no clue. He's available, he's very interesting given his past success with our OC and our GM is on record saying everything is in play. I wouldn't bet on it happening, I also wouldn't bet against it. No way if Bucs going crazy, yet no Franchise tag. That tells me there's a limit to resigning him. Age thing given he's a QB is minor, the injuries sure do scare me. That's the thing with him, no injury worries he's a top 10 pick talent wise at QB. You will be able to get him much lower most likely, maybe way lower. I look at all the options. I'd draft all of the top 7 QB, it's just where I'd draft them. Just a quick nitpick, but Russell Wilson the last 3 years in passing: Yards: 3113 3524 3070 Percentage: 64.8 60.5 66.4 INT 6 11 8 Yards per game: 222.4 234.9 204.7 Rushing Yards 183 277 341 Kirk Cousins Yards 4221 4547 2331 (8 games) Percentage 65.9 66.3 69.5 INT 7 14 5 Yards per game 263.8 267.5 291.4 Rushing Yards 48.3 38.7 50.0 I don't really think Wilson's legs were that much more of an advantage the last 3 years and I don't know what metric that would have Wilson as a better QB, unless we're talking playoffs in which Cousins is a choke artist.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 1, 2024 8:11:18 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 1, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -5
I don't think Cousins has been better. Wilson had one bad season, on a bad Denver team and bounced back last year. Same draft, same age, go look at the stats. Then look at Wilson versus Cousins rushing, the yards, TDs and first downs. That's a massive difference. You don't need a top pass blocking OL with Wilson, you do with Cousins. His OC is gone, so that goes out the Window. He knows our OC and did well under him. Who knows maybe that's big with him. We have no clue. He's available, he's very interesting given his past success with our OC and our GM is on record saying everything is in play. I wouldn't bet on it happening, I also wouldn't bet against it. No way if Bucs going crazy, yet no Franchise tag. That tells me there's a limit to resigning him. Age thing given he's a QB is minor, the injuries sure do scare me. That's the thing with him, no injury worries he's a top 10 pick talent wise at QB. You will be able to get him much lower most likely, maybe way lower. I look at all the options. I'd draft all of the top 7 QB, it's just where I'd draft them. Just a quick nitpick, but Russell Wilson the last 3 years in passing: Yards: 3113 3524 3070 Percentage: 64.8 60.5 66.4 INT 6 11 8 Yards per game: 222.4 234.9 204.7 Rushing Yards 183 277 341 Kirk Cousins Yards 4221 4547 2331 (8 games) Percentage 65.9 66.3 69.5 INT 7 14 5 Yards per game 263.8 267.5 291.4 Rushing Yards 48.3 38.7 50.0 I don't really think Wilson's legs were that much more of an advantage the last 3 years and I don't know what metric that would have Wilson as a better QB, unless we're talking playoffs in which Cousins is a choke artist. Seriously? Do you really think Wilson stats on a horrible Broncos team year one with bad coaching is meaningful? Same draft, same amount of years in NFL, Wilson 115-72-1 with QB rating of 100.0 and 39 GWD, Cousins 76-67-2 QB rating of 98.2 and 28 GWD. Wilson 9 pro bowls to Cousins 4. Wilson had more Yards and TDs, with less interceptions. Now add in massive difference in Rushing, its not even close. Cousins is like Derek Carr, puts up good stats but is highly overrated. Wilson played in a defensive run first team, perfect fit for our Coach and OC. Cousins has played with some of the best weapons in football from Diggs to Jefferson. Diggs hated him so much he forced a trade to Bills. Oh yeah one is fully healthy and the other is coming off of major surgery.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 1, 2024 11:50:38 GMT -5
Just a quick nitpick, but Russell Wilson the last 3 years in passing: Yards: 3113 3524 3070 Percentage: 64.8 60.5 66.4 INT 6 11 8 Yards per game: 222.4 234.9 204.7 Rushing Yards 183 277 341 Kirk Cousins Yards 4221 4547 2331 (8 games) Percentage 65.9 66.3 69.5 INT 7 14 5 Yards per game 263.8 267.5 291.4 Rushing Yards 48.3 38.7 50.0 I don't really think Wilson's legs were that much more of an advantage the last 3 years and I don't know what metric that would have Wilson as a better QB, unless we're talking playoffs in which Cousins is a choke artist. Seriously? Do you really think Wilson stats on a horrible Broncos team year one with bad coaching is meaningful? Same draft, same amount of years in NFL, Wilson 115-72-1 with QB rating of 100.0 and 39 GWD, Cousins 76-67-2 QB rating of 98.2 and 28 GWD. Wilson 9 pro bowls to Cousins 4. Wilson had more Yards and TDs, with less interceptions. Now add in massive difference in Rushing, its not even close. Cousins is like Derek Carr, puts up good stats but is highly overrated. Wilson played in a defensive run first team, perfect fit for our Coach and OC. Cousins has played with some of the best weapons in football from Diggs to Jefferson. Diggs hated him so much he forced a trade to Bills. Oh yeah one is fully healthy and the other is coming off of major surgery. I mean, year to year comparisons Kirk has been the better of the 2 for at least 3 years and that includes the final year in Seattle. Wilson also isn't going to be much more than a 300 yard rusher moving forward given his age. Cousins wasn't very good for 2 years with Washington which also helps skew his numbers, but recency bias favors Wilson and Wilson's legs are ot much of a factor any more.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 1, 2024 12:20:42 GMT -5
Seriously? Do you really think Wilson stats on a horrible Broncos team year one with bad coaching is meaningful? Same draft, same amount of years in NFL, Wilson 115-72-1 with QB rating of 100.0 and 39 GWD, Cousins 76-67-2 QB rating of 98.2 and 28 GWD. Wilson 9 pro bowls to Cousins 4. Wilson had more Yards and TDs, with less interceptions. Now add in massive difference in Rushing, its not even close. Cousins is like Derek Carr, puts up good stats but is highly overrated. Wilson played in a defensive run first team, perfect fit for our Coach and OC. Cousins has played with some of the best weapons in football from Diggs to Jefferson. Diggs hated him so much he forced a trade to Bills. Oh yeah one is fully healthy and the other is coming off of major surgery. I mean, year to year comparisons Kirk has been the better of the 2 for at least 3 years and that includes the final year in Seattle. Wilson also isn't going to be much more than a 300 yard rusher moving forward given his age. Cousins wasn't very good for 2 years with Washington which also helps skew his numbers, but recency bias favors Wilson and Wilson's legs are ot much of a factor any more. 38 first downs with his legs last year. If that's nothing to you, okay. It's crazy meaningful to me and makes a huge difference for an offense. Nevermind who do you want grooming your next QB? A mobile QB or a pure pocket passer? There's only one PP in the draft and he's more mobile than Cousins. If you draft Penix, I'd say just let him play. That's the advantage with him given his age and experience. At the same time a PP makes things harder in today's NFL.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 1, 2024 12:32:16 GMT -5
Patriots country, lets ride.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 1, 2024 12:36:22 GMT -5
I mean, year to year comparisons Kirk has been the better of the 2 for at least 3 years and that includes the final year in Seattle. Wilson also isn't going to be much more than a 300 yard rusher moving forward given his age. Cousins wasn't very good for 2 years with Washington which also helps skew his numbers, but recency bias favors Wilson and Wilson's legs are ot much of a factor any more. 38 first downs with his legs last year. If that's nothing to you, okay. It's crazy meaningful to me and makes a huge difference for an offense. Nevermind who do you want grooming your next QB? A mobile QB or a pure pocket passer? There's only one PP in the draft and he's more mobile than Cousins. If you draft Penix, I'd say just let him play. That's the advantage with him given his age and experience. At the same time a PP makes things harder in today's NFL. Interestingly, I'm seeing a couple of reports that say Denver is looking at Cousins and that New England hasn't shown interest in either Cousins or Mayfield. Which makes sense to your other point of if you're drafting a guy who can use his legs as part of his game then you probably want a veteran who can and had. Which might align with reports that they really want Jayden Daniels. My guess is that they'll take him and a veteran to learn behind and will likely get beaten up this season. In regards to 1D, Wilson had 135 passing TD this year to Kirk's 112 (8 games). Add 38 more 173 total. Kirk last year had 230 passing 1D. It's great that Wilson gives you options, but Kirk was doing the job more consistently, but he also did have better weapons. Neither guy is looking to have an explosive offense in NE. If the plan is Daniels + Wilson I can see the logic in that.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 1, 2024 12:49:51 GMT -5
When reading Ben Standig's plan for the Commanders (trade down & sign Cousins) I came across this interesting anonymous team exec quote: Wouldn't that be a hoot?
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Post by mobaz on Mar 1, 2024 14:13:16 GMT -5
Relevant Cousins note. I'd still rather him than Russ.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 1, 2024 14:19:17 GMT -5
Also, the original point was if they got MHJ so in that scenario I'd want the more pure passer. Obviously they would need to scout him first to see how badly the injury is impacting him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2024 15:27:08 GMT -5
Just a quick nitpick, but Russell Wilson the last 3 years in passing: Yards: 3113 3524 3070 Percentage: 64.8 60.5 66.4 INT 6 11 8 Yards per game: 222.4 234.9 204.7 Rushing Yards 183 277 341 Kirk Cousins Yards 4221 4547 2331 (8 games) Percentage 65.9 66.3 69.5 INT 7 14 5 Yards per game 263.8 267.5 291.4 Rushing Yards 48.3 38.7 50.0 I don't really think Wilson's legs were that much more of an advantage the last 3 years and I don't know what metric that would have Wilson as a better QB, unless we're talking playoffs in which Cousins is a choke artist. Seriously? Do you really think Wilson stats on a horrible Broncos team year one with bad coaching is meaningful? Same draft, same amount of years in NFL, Wilson 115-72-1 with QB rating of 100.0 and 39 GWD, Cousins 76-67-2 QB rating of 98.2 and 28 GWD. Wilson 9 pro bowls to Cousins 4. Wilson had more Yards and TDs, with less interceptions. Now add in massive difference in Rushing, its not even close. Cousins is like Derek Carr, puts up good stats but is highly overrated. Wilson played in a defensive run first team, perfect fit for our Coach and OC. Cousins has played with some of the best weapons in football from Diggs to Jefferson. Diggs hated him so much he forced a trade to Bills. Oh yeah one is fully healthy and the other is coming off of major surgery. Wilson is an ok QB, was never that great, always over-rated but at one time he was good enough to win you a SB. Those days are long gone, unless he wants to take no money and go to a super team.
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Post by cdj on Mar 1, 2024 18:37:13 GMT -5
JC officially cut
$100+ mill in cap space
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Post by philarhody on Mar 1, 2024 19:39:54 GMT -5
I think it’s surprising that Jayden Daniels is passing Drake Maye on draft boards. We haven’t really seen a player like Maye flame out in the NFL. He fits the Roethlisberger/Allen/Herbert/Lawrence “giant athlete who decided to play quarterback.” It’s not my favorite archetype. Like those other prospects, Maye’s footwork and mechanics are a mess coming out of college. But if he’s there at three, I have to believe New England would be doing backflips.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 1, 2024 19:42:51 GMT -5
Watched a fair amount of Cowboys this past year & my amateur scouting report on Gilmore: still smart & still a strong & willing tackler but has lost another half step or so, meaning not only can the league's elite run by him, but those merely fast can too. But Ty Law or Revis weren't all that fast either. So sign him up but just don't put him on any islands please. The nice thing is you’d have a transcendent 22 year old who can handle the speedier assignments.
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