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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 21, 2024 17:40:13 GMT -5
“one of Duran or Abreu have to go” — Nope. Stop the nonsense with Duran. He is a 5 WAR player that is still improving with 4 plus years control left. We are talking a top 50 asset in all of MLB. Quite possibly he is the teams biggest asset. That said Im looking forward to seeing fangraphs top 50 assets. Mid July??
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Post by markm7 on Jun 21, 2024 17:41:16 GMT -5
“one of Duran or Abreu have to go” — Nope. Rafaela has a 8 year 50 million contract he’s playing CF, Anthony is in all likelihood going to be a top 10 prospect in baseball he’s going to play everyday. How do Abreu and Duran fit with only one OF spot and in all likelihood Breslow wanting to put a righty there
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 21, 2024 17:43:22 GMT -5
“one of Duran or Abreu have to go” — Nope. Rafaela has a 8 year 50 million contract he’s playing CF, Anthony is in all likelihood going to be a top 10 prospect in baseball he’s going to play everyday. How do Abreu and Duran fit with only one OF spot and in all likelihood Breslow wanting to put a righty there There is a DH position after all. It's not exactly a problem if the sox have too many good OFers. In fact it'd be a great thing so no they don't need to sell duran or abreu just because of Anthony.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 21, 2024 17:47:02 GMT -5
I see zero problem with having Anthony, Abreu, Duran and Rafaela on the same opening day 2026 roster.
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Post by markm7 on Jun 21, 2024 17:47:08 GMT -5
Rafaela has a 8 year 50 million contract he’s playing CF, Anthony is in all likelihood going to be a top 10 prospect in baseball he’s going to play everyday. How do Abreu and Duran fit with only one OF spot and in all likelihood Breslow wanting to put a righty there There is a DH position after all. It's not exactly a problem if the sox have too many good OFers. In fact it'd be a great thing so no they don't need to sell duran or abreu just because of Anthony. Cheap ownership group isn’t eating Yoshidas trash contract to open DH. Only one is going to be the 4th OF the other has too much value to never play whichever it is will be traded
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2024 17:47:46 GMT -5
I think they should be aggressive selling this deadline no FA coming back, Hamilton and Valdez probably don’t have spots come next spring, one of Duran or Abreu have to go because Anthony will be in RF Rafaela in CF and a right handed in LF so they’ll probably be competing for the 4th OF spot. I think they’re in a position to be the bell of the dance at deadline and build a really strong team and support system for the big 3 I wouldn't trade guys now because you think Anthony will be in RF next year. Odds are Anthiny will spend the bulk of 2025 in AAA and who knows how long it takes to acclimate to major league pitching when he comes up. Same with Mayer and Teel. This deadline is NOT the deadline to get rid of guys who can help them in 2024 and 2025. They need Hamilton in 2024 and probably in 2025 as I wouldn't count on either Mayer or Story.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 21, 2024 17:49:22 GMT -5
There is a DH position after all. It's not exactly a problem if the sox have too many good OFers. In fact it'd be a great thing so no they don't need to sell duran or abreu just because of Anthony. Cheap ownership group isn’t eating Yoshidas trash contract to open DH. Only one is going to be the 4th OF the other has too much value to never play whichever it is will be traded Ownership literally just ate sales contract to allow them a better return in trade so if it comes to it they will eat Yoshidas deal. Putting that aside can we maybe see if Anthony pans out before trading two highly valuable cheap OFers?
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Post by markm7 on Jun 21, 2024 17:51:38 GMT -5
I think they should be aggressive selling this deadline no FA coming back, Hamilton and Valdez probably don’t have spots come next spring, one of Duran or Abreu have to go because Anthony will be in RF Rafaela in CF and a right handed in LF so they’ll probably be competing for the 4th OF spot. I think they’re in a position to be the bell of the dance at deadline and build a really strong team and support system for the big 3 I wouldn't trade guys now because you think Anthony will be in RF next year. Odds are Anthiny will spend the bulk of 2025 in AAA and who knows how long it takes to acclimate to major league pitching when he comes up. Same with Mayer and Teel. This deadline is NOT the deadline to get rid of guys who can help them in 2024 and 2025. They need Hamilton in 2024 and probably in 2025 as I wouldn't count on either Mayer or Story. They aren’t keeping Anthony in AAA for a year when he’s tearing up AA like he has at 20. Yes for all 3 it will take time to adjust to MLB pitching but once they do their ceilings are higher then what you’re getting right now so it’s worth the pain for the reward
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Post by markm7 on Jun 21, 2024 17:53:38 GMT -5
Cheap ownership group isn’t eating Yoshidas trash contract to open DH. Only one is going to be the 4th OF the other has too much value to never play whichever it is will be traded Ownership literally just ate sales contract to allow them a better return in trade so if it comes to it they will eat Yoshidas deal. Putting that aside can we maybe see if Anthony pans out before trading two highly valuable cheap OFers? The last homegrown Red Sox position player to be as highly thought of as Anthony has that flamed out was… swihart I’ll take the chance if someone gets stupid for one of Duran or Abreu
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 21, 2024 17:54:53 GMT -5
Ownership literally just ate sales contract to allow them a better return in trade so if it comes to it they will eat Yoshidas deal. Putting that aside can we maybe see if Anthony pans out before trading two highly valuable cheap OFers? The last homegrown Red Sox position player to be as highly thought of as Anthony has that flamed out was… swihart I’ll take the chance if someone gets stupid for one of Duran or Abreu [br There is absolutely no reason to rush it.
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Post by markm7 on Jun 21, 2024 17:58:09 GMT -5
The last homegrown Red Sox position player to be as highly thought of as Anthony has that flamed out was… swihart I’ll take the chance if someone gets stupid for one of Duran or Abreu [br There is absolutely no reason to rush it. “Rush it” nothing I hate more then that statement if a prospect is tearing up a level he shouldn’t be held back for a stupid reason such as “Well he’s young let’s wait” if he’s ready he’s ready don’t hold him back because you think “he’s too young”
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 21, 2024 18:00:44 GMT -5
[br There is absolutely no reason to rush it. “Rush it” nothing I hate more then that statement if a prospect is tearing up a level he shouldn’t be held back for a stupid reason such as “Well he’s young let’s wait” if he’s ready he’s ready don’t hold him back because you think “he’s too young” That's only part of what I mean. There's no reason to rush Anthony and there's no reason to rush to trade duran or abreu. We don't really even know what rafaela is at this point and they're all cheap for the next several years. To me it makes no sense to do what you're saying but hey to each their own.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 21, 2024 18:07:06 GMT -5
Cheap ownership group isn’t eating Yoshidas trash contract to open DH. Only one is going to be the 4th OF the other has too much value to never play whichever it is will be traded Ownership literally just ate sales contract to allow them a better return in trade so if it comes to it they will eat Yoshidas deal. Putting that aside can we maybe see if Anthony pans out before trading two highly valuable cheap OFers? For a good chunk of prospect rankings coming into the year, Jackson Holliday, Jackson Chororio, and Wyatt Langford were all among the very tippy top. Folks who are punt-curious for this season - or who are planning heavily around the Big 3 for 2025 - go look at those guys MLB stats for this year. Those are guys who are INCREDIBLY talented - and they are struggling in their first taste in the bigs. It might take more than one MLB season for Mayer, Anthony, Teel to get established. So the argument of, “let’s just sell until they get here” is insane to me. The Sox were in a reasonable position to make the playoffs last year, and if they continue to play well they will be in a solid spot this year as well. It does not seem wise to just keep on punting bites at the apple when it comes to postseason appearances - especially for a big market team that can afford to replace its rentals during the off-season.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 21, 2024 18:13:13 GMT -5
I feel fully that the window has opened and that this team , as is, will continue to improve the rest of the season. How deep will they go in the post season tournament ? Who knows, but being in it is a chance to win it !!
If a deadline trade can be made to incrementally improve the pitching, fine. But selling free agents to get future pieces would be a mistake in my mind.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2024 18:33:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade guys now because you think Anthony will be in RF next year. Odds are Anthiny will spend the bulk of 2025 in AAA and who knows how long it takes to acclimate to major league pitching when he comes up. Same with Mayer and Teel. This deadline is NOT the deadline to get rid of guys who can help them in 2024 and 2025. They need Hamilton in 2024 and probably in 2025 as I wouldn't count on either Mayer or Story. They aren’t keeping Anthony in AAA for a year when he’s tearing up AA like he has at 20. Yes for all 3 it will take time to adjust to MLB pitching but once they do their ceilings are higher then what you’re getting right now so it’s worth the pain for the reward Anthony will be up at some point in 2025, but it's highly doubtful it'll be Opening Day so why screw themselves over in 2024 when they actually have a shot and when they could very well even have a better shot if they improve themselves over the winter? The Big 3's time will come but there's no need to throw them to the wolves and let them struggle when they have productive alternatives. At some point there will be injuries and yes at some point there likely will be a trade to open up a spot for Anthony but doing it when he's not primed to hit the ground running doesnt make sense. If they have no better alternatives then you take your chances but if you have key pieces producing and you have a kid that young and who likely will struggle there's no point in rushing things.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 21, 2024 18:58:37 GMT -5
Passing up on Crochet who's a young LH Ace that's under team control for a few years and available with the depth in the minors would be silly to pass up. Hes excatly what we need and is still so young. Breslow, DO IT!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 21, 2024 19:58:51 GMT -5
Passing up on Crochet who's a young LH Ace that's under team control for a few years and available with the depth in the minors would be silly to pass up. Hes excatly what we need and is still so young. Breslow, DO IT! No one is “passing him up”, there’s a very legitimate cost involved and given the durability questions it’s fair to say it may not be worth it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2024 20:24:25 GMT -5
Passing up on Crochet who's a young LH Ace that's under team control for a few years and available with the depth in the minors would be silly to pass up. Hes excatly what we need and is still so young. Breslow, DO IT! No one is “passing him up”, there’s a very legitimate cost involved and given the durability questions it’s fair to say it may not be worth it. He wants the Sox to trade Anthony in a Crochet deal, as he has mentioned in a couple of other threads. Crochet is pitching very well, but the guy has 16 career starts, so I'm not ready to anoint him an ace that I'd trade Anthony away for.
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 21, 2024 20:35:01 GMT -5
Q: What do Jackson Holiday, Jackson Chourio, Evan Carter, Wyatt Langford, Colt Keith, Kyle Manzardo, Hurston Waldrep, Bret Baty, Pete Crow-Armstrong, Spencer Torkelson, Yoan Moncada, and Jo Adell have in common?
A: They are all top prospects who have yet to live up to expectations.
Setting unrealistic expectations for Mayer, Anthony, Teel, and any other top prospect for that matter, is not doing them any favors. I hope they all become super stars, but let them have some success at the major league level before getting rid of guys who are already succeeding.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 22, 2024 1:12:11 GMT -5
No one is “passing him up”, there’s a very legitimate cost involved and given the durability questions it’s fair to say it may not be worth it. He wants the Sox to trade Anthony in a Crochet deal, as he has mentioned in a couple of other threads. Crochet is pitching very well, but the guy has 16 career starts, so I'm not ready to anoint him an ace that I'd trade Anthony away for. Yeah you're correct he was the 11th pick in the draft because he isn't special. Roman is proven MLB talent. Ok now that we're done with that. Today was his 25th birthday so I felt like I needed to say it one more time. I'm done now.
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Post by gerry on Jun 22, 2024 2:45:22 GMT -5
Would love to see how good Crochet would be after the Bailey bunch works with him. Bello & Crochet at 25, enhancing a highly talented youth movement.
On the other hand, how much of an upgrade NOW would he be over Houck, Crawford, Pivetta, Bello, Winck, Criswell and the near ready in AAA/AA.
I am all for it, but not if the cost hurts the team. Which means how ready are we to part with any key component of this evolving young team.
No matter, Breslow and Co have earned trust quickly. I have confidence in their decision making at the deadline, as long as it drives a strong playoff run in 2024 … and 2025.
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Post by keninten on Jun 22, 2024 4:01:47 GMT -5
What about Mason Miller? I`d hate to give up what he might cost because he`s a pitcher. Anthony could headline a package with Yorke, Blaze and Winck. If not what would he fetch? If it`s 2 of the top 3 forget about it. Hamilton might have some good value too. Haven`t seen any rumors what any other teams might offer.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 22, 2024 4:33:23 GMT -5
What about Mason Miller? I`d hate to give up what he might cost because he`s a pitcher. Anthony could headline a package with Yorke, Blaze and Winck. If not what would he fetch? If it`s 2 of the top 3 forget about it. Hamilton might have some good value too. Haven`t seen any rumors what any other teams might offer. Hard pass on dealing Anthony for an RP. If that's what your suggesting.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jun 22, 2024 5:28:44 GMT -5
What about Mason Miller? I`d hate to give up what he might cost because he`s a pitcher. Anthony could headline a package with Yorke, Blaze and Winck. If not what would he fetch? If it`s 2 of the top 3 forget about it. Hamilton might have some good value too. Haven`t seen any rumors what any other teams might offer. I don't think you can trade a top 25 guy (or so) for a closer, especially for a fringe playoff team. Sometimes you're OK "losing" a trade in the long run at an attempt to put you over the top but this roster isn't one to do it with.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2024 9:31:14 GMT -5
He wants the Sox to trade Anthony in a Crochet deal, as he has mentioned in a couple of other threads. Crochet is pitching very well, but the guy has 16 career starts, so I'm not ready to anoint him an ace that I'd trade Anthony away for. Yeah you're correct he was the 11th pick in the draft because he isn't special. Roman is proven MLB talent. Ok now that we're done with that. Today was his 25th birthday so I felt like I needed to say it one more time. I'm done now. I didnt say your idea was stupid. I said it's not something I'd do. The closest parallel to me is the Hanley/Sanchez for Beckett/Lowell deal. Beckett was well established as a young ace at that point and back then pitchers actually could pitch 200 innings. Crochet is in the era where you're lucky if you get 180 innings and 5 minutes later it's time for TJS. Makes me not want to surrender the premier young talent it takes to get the pitcher. I'd rather see the Sox hang on to the talent and use money to sign a guy like Max Fried or Corbin Burnes or even Roki Sasaki if he becomes a free agent. Sure they're not going to get efficient bang for their buck but they hold onto Anthony, who might be the most talented young outfielder the Sox have developed since God knows when. I mean Anthony right now looks like he can be what Benintendi never turned into and what the hope for Ryan Westmoreland was. Looking at the Sox needs, they need a front line starter or two down the road and they need a RH masher they can stick between Devers and Casas in the lineup. The Sox farm is situated well enough they dint have to chase position players in free agency unless there's a Juan Soto, who will remain in NY most likely, but assuming they dont get Soto, a RH impact bat would be the need and unfortunately there are no Mannys, Cabreras, or Pujols out there, so with nobody out there to target, they might as well spend their money on front line pitching. At this point I'm keeping a close eye on Kristian Campbell's ascent while wondering if he could turn into that RH power bat they could comfortably stuff between Devers and Casas down the road in what looks like a lefty heavy lineup. Of course that's a lot of pressure to place on Campbell and I'm not saying he turns into that, but I'm keeping an eye on him to see if he continues to mash while maintaining enough of his hit tool. So far, so good. But with a lack of RH power hitting (but with a good hit tool) guys out there in the market coming down the pike, I think the Sox are best served saving their money for pitching and letting their young guys develop around them. And the good news is there's enough depth in my opinion to get a solid 2/3 starter down the road. In my opinion once Anthony becomes truly ready, Abreu (as long as Duran is healthy) starts becoming expendable in a deal for pitching down the road.
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