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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2024 8:47:33 GMT -5
Grissom for Chris Sale. Who says no? Seriously though. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make. Put Sale and a healthy Casas on this team, and they have the framework to make a run at it. Hendriks should enhance the bullpen later on and a youthful injection of energy could be on the horizon via Kyle Teel. Jack Flaherty would be a nice addition but I don’t think Breslow targets a rental. I think Eflin will be our target. Have him for another year. We already tried to sign him last year. Won’t cost us elite prospects. TB is going nowhere. Stadium will be a morgue. Zach might get an energy boost coming to a playoff chase. I like Eflin as a target. He’s got the upside to be a top arm on the staff, another year of control at a pretty low price. If they sign him they don’t really need to play in SP free agency, or if they do they’ll have an asset to trade. Always scary sending a prospect to the Rays though
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2024 9:02:31 GMT -5
Grissom for Chris Sale. Who says no? Seriously though. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make. Put Sale and a healthy Casas on this team, and they have the framework to make a run at it. Hendriks should enhance the bullpen later on and a youthful injection of energy could be on the horizon via Kyle Teel. Jack Flaherty would be a nice addition but I don’t think Breslow targets a rental. I think Eflin will be our target. Have him for another year. We already tried to sign him last year. Won’t cost us elite prospects. TB is going nowhere. Stadium will be a morgue. Zach might get an energy boost coming to a playoff chase. Efflin makes a lot of sense. If the Rays are kind of middling performance wise I'm sure they'd be happy to shed Efflin and his contract. Not that it's huge but they're definitely penny pinchers. It probably wouldn't cost that much.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jun 23, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -5
I think Nate is such a perfect target but I don’t know what a trade would look like? Anyway to have his option vest so that he is here in 2025 as well?
Lugo, Wikelman, and Penrod?
Hard to discount Nate since he isn’t the cheapest contract but also only to be had for 3 months
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Post by wanderingdude on Jun 23, 2024 12:06:56 GMT -5
Everyone who wants a RH power hitter tell me which one is a) available, b) better than a platoon of Yoshida and Refsnyder and c) worth trading what it would acquire to get him This person does not exist It is very unfortunately Trevor Story lol
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 23, 2024 15:44:53 GMT -5
I took a look at fangraphs wRC+ listings for RHH. I knew it was pretty slim pickings before checking and it's even worse than I thought. You're correct it basically doesn't exist. Not one that would actually be available anyway. yea, it's bad. IMO, best way to upgrade the roster is a SP A SP is a necessary move, but I still believe a move for Luis Robert Jr. would be huge despite is down season. Gives you a controllable RHH masher for 3 seasons.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 23, 2024 16:07:13 GMT -5
No selling talk allowed while the team is in literal possession of a playoff spot
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jun 23, 2024 16:16:38 GMT -5
yea, it's bad. IMO, best way to upgrade the roster is a SP A SP is a necessary move, but I still believe a move for Luis Robert Jr. would be huge despite is down season. Gives you a controllable RHH masher for 3 seasons. I'm not confident about giving up the requisite talent for a guy who relies on athleticism and gets hurt often, nor a guy who walks so little. Just feels like it could all come crashing down easily. Also I feel like a good amount of his value comes from being a good CF which the Sox don't really need.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 23, 2024 16:21:31 GMT -5
I think Eflin will be our target. Have him for another year. We already tried to sign him last year. Won’t cost us elite prospects. TB is going nowhere. Stadium will be a morgue. Zach might get an energy boost coming to a playoff chase. Efflin makes a lot of sense. If the Rays are kind of middling performance wise I'm sure they'd be happy to shed Efflin and his contract. Not that it's huge but they're definitely penny pinchers. It probably wouldn't cost that much. Didn't Efflin take less money to go to them. I don't want him on this team. To me you trade for a top line starter or dont make any moves at all.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2024 16:28:53 GMT -5
Efflin makes a lot of sense. If the Rays are kind of middling performance wise I'm sure they'd be happy to shed Efflin and his contract. Not that it's huge but they're definitely penny pinchers. It probably wouldn't cost that much. Didn't Efflin take less money to go to them. I don't want him on this team. To me you trade for a top line starter or dont make any moves at all. To each their own but eflin is a very solid SP who could help out both this year and next. I'd take him in a heartbeat. He shouldn't cost a big haul whereas a front of the line guy would cost a heavy haul if one even becomes available.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2024 16:30:14 GMT -5
Efflin makes a lot of sense. If the Rays are kind of middling performance wise I'm sure they'd be happy to shed Efflin and his contract. Not that it's huge but they're definitely penny pinchers. It probably wouldn't cost that much. Didn't Efflin take less money to go to them. I don't want him on this team. To me you trade for a top line starter or dont make any moves at all. No he let them match the Red Sox offer because he’s from the area. Also he would make more money this way because of the taxes. Also he was 9th in MLB in fWAR last year. He could be a top line guy.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 23, 2024 16:42:37 GMT -5
Didn't Efflin take less money to go to them. I don't want him on this team. To me you trade for a top line starter or dont make any moves at all. No he let them match the Red Sox offer because he’s from the area. Also he would make more money this way because of the taxes. Also he was 9th in MLB in fWAR last year. He could be a top line guy. Gotcha I thought he took less well he's worth a look then.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2024 16:53:52 GMT -5
In regards to eflin I just took a look and his contract was backloaded to pay 18M next year. Definitely seems like a contract the money concious rays would want to move to me.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2024 17:28:27 GMT -5
Probably a year or maybe even two years two early, but the other Rays name I'm eyeing is Paredes for 2B. He's about to enter arb and sometimes the Rays like to get off of guys before they get expensive (which would more likely be going into arb year 2, but still). Depends what you think of the Red Sox internal 2B options if it would be worth it to move prospect capital, but he's a better bet than any of them, he'd immediately be one of the best few position players on the team, and he's an elite righty bat. I also like that he's at least a decent defender at 2B and capable of playing both 1B and 3B too.
Again, I doubt they move him this year, it'd be committing to tanking and the Rays strike me as more of a re-tool organization, but he'd be such a nice fit.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2024 19:45:23 GMT -5
Sox currently in the playoffs. 4th best run differential in the AL. BUY!!! Agree. Now is the time! We are short on starting pitching and in relief. We have Casas coming back and are on the cusp of qualifying for the playoffs where anything can happen. Still, realistically we are short on pitching. Put packages together offering Teel, Anthony, Yorke, Jordan maybe Mata and others as necessary to pull a top emerging starter and established reliever. Catchers like Teel with both outstanding offensive And defensive prowess are quite rare and thus in huge demand. In Boston he would be a part time with Wong catching 70%. Elsewhere he could be a star. So he has big trade value! Be bold! Likewise Anthony is surplusage for the Sox. Our outfield is young and set. Anthony is rated our #1 prospect but several years away and no sure thing. 7 homers and .260 average in AA thru half a season. Let the scouting reports elevate his value for other deficient teams. We've got other Milb guys that could help a team like the White Sox or Angels eventually achieve relevance. Jordan, Yorke, Campbell? Let's get a package(s) the White Sox can't refuse for Crochet and Kopech. Carpe Diem!! We can always rebuild our farm starting with the upcoming draft with pick 12. Heck the latest farm team valuation has us at 19th anyway. What's to lose? Henry go all in!!!
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 23, 2024 20:39:12 GMT -5
I thought he was primarily a 3rd baseman. Probably a year or maybe even two years two early, but the other Rays name I'm eyeing is Paredes for 2B. He's about to enter arb and sometimes the Rays like to get off of guys before they get expensive (which would more likely be going into arb year 2, but still). Depends what you think of the Red Sox internal 2B options if it would be worth it to move prospect capital, but he's a better bet than any of them, he'd immediately be one of the best few position players on the team, and he's an elite righty bat. I also like that he's at least a decent defender at 2B and capable of playing both 1B and 3B too. Again, I doubt they move him this year, it'd be committing to tanking and the Rays strike me as more of a re-tool organization, but he'd be such a nice fit.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Jun 23, 2024 20:42:12 GMT -5
Agree. Now is the time! We are short on starting pitching and in relief. We have Casas coming back and are on the cusp of qualifying for the playoffs where anything can happen. Still, realistically we are short on pitching. Put packages together offering Teel, Anthony, Yorke, Jordan maybe Mata and others as necessary to pull a top emerging starter and established reliever. Catchers like Teel with both outstanding offensive And defensive prowess are quite rare and thus in huge demand. In Boston he would be a part time with Wong catching 70%. Elsewhere he could be a star. So he has big trade value! Be bold! Likewise Anthony is surplusage for the Sox. Our outfield is young and set. Anthony is rated our #1 prospect but several years away and no sure thing. 7 homers and .260 average in AA thru half a season. Let the scouting reports elevate his value for other deficient teams. We've got other Milb guys that could help a team like the White Sox or Angels eventually achieve relevance. Jordan, Yorke, Campbell? Let's get a package(s) the White Sox can't refuse for Crochet and Kopech. Carpe Diem!! We can always rebuild our farm starting with the upcoming draft with pick 12. Heck the latest farm team valuation has us at 19th anyway. What's to lose? Henry go all in!!! Antony is too good to trade.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 23, 2024 20:45:49 GMT -5
A starting pitcher seems like by far the biggest need.
Assuming Casas is going to be OK, the only position player I would consider would be a strong defensive shortstop. I am still not sold on Hamilton's defense at short and I would love to see Rafaela be able to concentrate on one position (center) while he continues his adjustment to the majors.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 23, 2024 20:49:53 GMT -5
Im not trading Teel, Anthony or Campbell unless its for a top 5 or 10 pitcher with years of control. There's plenty in the system to get a pitcher without trading one of the Big 4.
I think they can go get a starting pitcher, a hitter and potentially another pitcher.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2024 20:51:17 GMT -5
I thought he was primarily a 3rd baseman. Probably a year or maybe even two years two early, but the other Rays name I'm eyeing is Paredes for 2B. He's about to enter arb and sometimes the Rays like to get off of guys before they get expensive (which would more likely be going into arb year 2, but still). Depends what you think of the Red Sox internal 2B options if it would be worth it to move prospect capital, but he's a better bet than any of them, he'd immediately be one of the best few position players on the team, and he's an elite righty bat. I also like that he's at least a decent defender at 2B and capable of playing both 1B and 3B too. Again, I doubt they move him this year, it'd be committing to tanking and the Rays strike me as more of a re-tool organization, but he'd be such a nice fit. He played 450 innings at 2B in the last three years and had +4 OAA
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2024 20:57:49 GMT -5
Im not trading Teel, Anthony or Campbell unless its for a top 5 or 10 pitcher with years of control. There's plenty in the system to get a pitcher without trading one of the Big 4. I think they can go get a starting pitcher, a hitter and potentially another pitcher. To be honest I think my post and those that responded belong in the trade thread. I don't have the ability to cut and paste there with my android.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 24, 2024 6:16:17 GMT -5
Can't get mad about this series at all. The team is on a solid run. I don't believe in them, but its still a fun story all around. I'd still trade Pivetta O'Neill and others who are expiring at the end of the year.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 24, 2024 12:34:00 GMT -5
Hear me out… Yosh for Robbie Ray.
Sox need SP help and to unclog DH… both bad contracts… Rays is for a shorter term… do the Giants hang up the phone?
If you’re going to overpay at least do it from somewhere you need help. Baseball Trade Values has it Ray -$30M and Yosh -$24M but get the sense that the Sox would have to add a sweetener
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Post by markm7 on Jun 24, 2024 13:16:47 GMT -5
Just wonder if they pay down Yoshida to 10 a year what level of prospect would they need to attach and can they do it this deadline or more of an off-season type thing?
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Post by itinerantherb on Jun 24, 2024 13:47:54 GMT -5
I'd think that it would be pretty though to place a value on him right now. He's had extended stretches where he's hit really well and extended stretches where he's hit pretty poorly. I know there are reasonable explanations for those poor stretches but based on the track record, it's hard to imagine a potential trade partner betting that he's a well above average hitter going forward. So untill he gets chance to "reestablish his value" (and that chance doesn't look to be forthcoming) it seems like the Sox would end up paying the large majority of his salary unless they attach a ton of prospect value.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jun 24, 2024 13:50:51 GMT -5
Yoshida on a 3 yr/30M contract is probably over payed by 20-25M. According to an old FG valuation article that would require a low end FV50.
FG hasn't done their Sox team list yet, but that would presumably require adding a Bleis/Cespedes type prospect for zero return.
The Sox would be better off just cutting him instead of trying to trade him and pay down the cost in prospect capital.
The only type of trade that would make sense would be if the Sox took back a bad contract they liked better for whatever reason.
DHs who are over 30 and put up 100-110 wRC+ (a lot better than what he's doing now) sign one year contracts for 8-10M if they're lucky.
It's hard to imagine any team would want to make a 3 year commitment to Yoshida. You basically have to pay years 2 and 3 down to zero.
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