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6/14-6/16 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 15, 2024 8:49:37 GMT -5
Best thing about last night was the ice cream cone (cappuccino chocolate chip) my wife and I had downtown before heading back home to experience the double buzz kill.
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2024 8:53:43 GMT -5
We are offically the definition of MID If you told people that Casas, Yoshida, O’Neill, Bello, Story, Whitlock, Pivetta, Giolito, Grissom, Abreu, and Martin would all have IL trips in the preseason, I think people would have been a lot more pessimistic than to think this was a .500 team I definitely don’t see this as “their year” and clearly the ownership had zero faith in this group, but they’re are some definite signs of hope and life. It feels like 2015 again, and that’s still a good thing.
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Post by gerry on Jun 15, 2024 9:20:07 GMT -5
Put differently: 1B, 2B, SS, LF, RF, OF, DH 4SP, 3RP, WTF.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 15, 2024 9:22:21 GMT -5
Best thing about last night was the ice cream cone (cappuccino chocolate chip) my wife and I had downtown before heading back home to experience the double buzz kill. Best thing for me is that I spent more time watching Tennessee vs. Florida State, a much more entertaining game.
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2024 9:25:23 GMT -5
Valdez is now 5th on the team in xwOBA at .322. If he starts to be more patient like he has in the minors, there’s plenty of overhead room beyond there too. Kid can hit.
I hope they find a way to keep playing him because I don’t think we know for sure that Yoshida will be a better DH in years to come.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 15, 2024 10:21:25 GMT -5
Valdez is now 5th on the team in xwOBA at .322. If he starts to be more patient like he has in the minors, there’s plenty of overhead room beyond there too. Kid can hit. I hope they find a way to keep playing him because I don’t think we know for sure that Yoshida will be a better DH in years to come. And the big breakout guy David Hamilton's xwOBA is .293; for reference, that's right about where Reese McGuire is at. Which is also to say Hamilton's very unlikely to be close to his current production going forward. His walk rate is only 6% and his strikeout rate is 26%. My eye test and Fangraphs still dislikes his defense. Happy for him and the team to have benefited from his hot streak, but depending on where we're at in a few weeks it could be wise to sell high given the surplus of infielders in the organization; though one problem is we don't have many current SS candidates among that group (though Romy looked pretty good there). Maybe some team believes in him enough to give us something decent, and his speed will always be valuable.
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2024 10:29:07 GMT -5
Valdez is now 5th on the team in xwOBA at .322. If he starts to be more patient like he has in the minors, there’s plenty of overhead room beyond there too. Kid can hit. I hope they find a way to keep playing him because I don’t think we know for sure that Yoshida will be a better DH in years to come. And the big breakout guy David Hamilton's xwOBA is .292. He's unlikely to be close to his current production going forward. His walk rate is only 6% and his strikeout rate is 26%. My eye test and Fangraphs still dislikes his defense. Happy to have what he's provided to date, but depending on where the team is at in a few weeks it could be wise to sell high on him given the surplus of infielders in the organization; though one problem is we don't have many current SS candidates among that group (though Romy looked pretty good there). Maybe some team believes in him enough to give us something decent, and his speed will always be valuable. I would assume any other org would share your same concerns so I’m not sure his value in trade has changed all that much. His versatility, speed, etc make him a good utility player and considering how little he’ll be getting paid I’m in no hurry to see him out. Valdez still doesn’t look likely to make it work in the field so he has a lot of pressure on his bat, and the Sox have no interest in even letting him try vs LHP, so it’s hard to get a great read on him despite the encouraging results lately. But he has been fun to watch.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 15, 2024 10:38:16 GMT -5
We are offically the definition of MID If you told people that Casas, Yoshida, O’Neill, Bello, Story, Whitlock, Pivetta, Giolito, Grissom, Abreu, and Martin would all have IL trips in the preseason, I think people would have been a lot more pessimistic than to think this was a .500 team I definitely don’t see this as “their year” and clearly the ownership had zero faith in this group, but they’re are some definite signs of hope and life. It feels like 2015 again, and that’s still a good thing. A lot of folks thought the team would be below .500 even WITH those guys
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 15, 2024 10:40:35 GMT -5
Re; Hamilton’s defense I can’t find a way to do defensive splits but I’m pretty sure all the negative OAA came in the first 50 or so innings at shortstop and since then he’s been about neutral.
Also it seems obvious to me now that scouts were wrong about his arm. It rates middle of the pack and so I don’t see a reason why he can’t eventually be a good defensive shortstop.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 15, 2024 10:47:20 GMT -5
I really hoped Verdugo gets smoked today purely from an entertainment standpoint. A good ole Sox x Yankees brawl could really light a fire under this team’s ass.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 15, 2024 10:55:57 GMT -5
We are offically the definition of MID If you told people that Casas, Yoshida, O’Neill, Bello, Story, Whitlock, Pivetta, Giolito, Grissom, Abreu, and Martin would all have IL trips in the preseason, I think people would have been a lot more pessimistic than to think this was a .500 team I definitely don’t see this as “their year” and clearly the ownership had zero faith in this group, but they’re are some definite signs of hope and life. It feels like 2015 again, and that’s still a good thing. There were plenty predicting 70 wins or less, and many more (myself included) who saw them as .500ish, even before all the injuries. Pretty hard to paint this team as a disappointment relative to expectations given all the extra adversity they've faced. I think the 2015 comparison is spot on. The fate of the '22 and '23 clubs was decided in July and August, and if we can hold off the sort of collapse they went through, I still see a wild card spot as a legitimate possibility.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 15, 2024 11:09:05 GMT -5
The fate of the '22 and '23 clubs was decided in July and August, and if we can hold off the sort of collapse they went through, I still see a wild card spot as a legitimate possibility. On July 30th In 2022: Red Sox were 50-52 and would have to overtake 4 teams (Rays, Guardians, Orioles, White Sox) to make the playoffs. In 2023: Red Sox were 56-49, and would have needed to pass one of Toronto or Houston to make the playoffs. (Damn I forgot how good of a position they were in.) Weirdly, the Sox are closer to 2022 in terms of record, but 2023 in terms of positioning. This is because of how mediocre the rest of the AL has been. As of now (it’s still only June…) they would only need to pass Minnesota (or the Royals), because teams like the Jays, Rays, Rangers, Astros have just not played all that great so far.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2024 12:13:36 GMT -5
If you told people that Casas, Yoshida, O’Neill, Bello, Story, Whitlock, Pivetta, Giolito, Grissom, Abreu, and Martin would all have IL trips in the preseason, I think people would have been a lot more pessimistic than to think this was a .500 team I definitely don’t see this as “their year” and clearly the ownership had zero faith in this group, but they’re are some definite signs of hope and life. It feels like 2015 again, and that’s still a good thing. There were plenty predicting 70 wins or less, and many more (myself included) who saw them as .500ish, even before all the injuries. Pretty hard to paint this team as a disappointment relative to expectations given all the extra adversity they've faced. I think the 2015 comparison is spot on. The fate of the '22 and '23 clubs was decided in July and August, and if we can hold off the sort of collapse they went through, I still see a wild card spot as a legitimate possibility. I dont think many were predicting less than 70 wins. I have them at 75 wins and I was on the lower side. I think 75 to 90 wins was more the range. I think a lot of teams were bitten hard by the injury bug this year, Sox included but they're kind of where I thought theyd be, hovering around .500 until the trade deadline, where I figured they'd sell and be in for some rough sledding line the previous 2 years. What I remember most about the 2015 team beyond the who's the ace t-shirts was that the team was awful, a continuation of the 2014 91 loss team, but then had a winning 2nd half, not all that dissimilar to the 1966 season. I'm not sure this is 2015. Let's see how they do as the season wears on.
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Post by cheers on Jun 15, 2024 12:32:12 GMT -5
FOX has the game today, but my local affiliate has picked up Rangers/Mariners. MLB network apparently has no feed. Anybody got a way around this??
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Post by station13 on Jun 15, 2024 13:47:51 GMT -5
FOX has the game today, but my local affiliate has picked up Rangers/Mariners. MLB network apparently has no feed. Anybody got a way around this?? You could always fly to the next major city.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 15, 2024 13:53:16 GMT -5
Re; Hamilton’s defense I can’t find a way to do defensive splits but I’m pretty sure all the negative OAA came in the first 50 or so innings at shortstop and since then he’s been about neutral. Also it seems obvious to me now that scouts were wrong about his arm. It rates middle of the pack and so I don’t see a reason why he can’t eventually be a good defensive shortstop. I agree he’s been a lot better (playable, not lost). However, I don’t think it’s obvious at all that the arm is not an issue, despite the slightly above average statcast metric. Bobby dug him out of a couple throwing errors in the Philly series. He has to get a lot into his throws, which sometimes seems to come out as needing extra steps, or trying to compensate by rushing the time between gloving the ball and beginning the throw. I think he’s shown enough to be a guy you could see in a shortstop timeshare, or as a primary middle infield backup. So in that sense, yeah, that’s more than I was prepared to expect.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 15, 2024 14:54:40 GMT -5
Re; Hamilton’s defense I can’t find a way to do defensive splits but I’m pretty sure all the negative OAA came in the first 50 or so innings at shortstop and since then he’s been about neutral. Also it seems obvious to me now that scouts were wrong about his arm. It rates middle of the pack and so I don’t see a reason why he can’t eventually be a good defensive shortstop. I agree he’s been a lot better (playable, not lost). However, I don’t think it’s obvious at all that the arm is not an issue, despite the slightly above average statcast metric. Bobby dug him out of a couple throwing errors in the Philly series. He has to get a lot into his throws, which sometimes seems to come out as needing extra steps, or trying to compensate by rushing the time between gloving the ball and beginning the throw. I think he’s shown enough to be a guy you could see in a shortstop timeshare, or as a primary middle infield backup. So in that sense, yeah, that’s more than I was prepared to expect. Though I like Hamilton now, I will say that I hope he’s slotted into 2B more often than SS eventually. As noted, his throwing action is way, way too violent over there and is screaming to make throwing errors.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2024 15:17:49 GMT -5
We are offically the definition of MID Evergreen post 😁
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Post by asm18 on Jun 15, 2024 15:49:19 GMT -5
Vs Carlos Rodon:
Duran CF Refsnyder RF O’Neill LF Devers 3B Wong C Yoshida DH Westbrook 2B Dalbec 1B Rafaela SS
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Post by chaimtime on Jun 15, 2024 16:42:29 GMT -5
Re; Hamilton’s defense I can’t find a way to do defensive splits but I’m pretty sure all the negative OAA came in the first 50 or so innings at shortstop and since then he’s been about neutral. Also it seems obvious to me now that scouts were wrong about his arm. It rates middle of the pack and so I don’t see a reason why he can’t eventually be a good defensive shortstop. I don’t know if I’d say scouts were wrong about his arm. Based on my eye test, he puts close to everything he has on just about every throw. It seems to be working for him, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s prone to throwing errors as time goes on. Edit: guess I mindlessly scrolled past some comments because I now see others made this same point.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2024 18:07:31 GMT -5
Alright Mofo's. not blacked out tonight. LFG !!
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Post by insanesoxfan on Jun 15, 2024 18:19:26 GMT -5
Here’s hoping for a big night from Criswell!
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 15, 2024 18:25:51 GMT -5
Every time Soto does that stupid Soto shuffle I want the next pitch to be at his teeth.
Great player, but I hate that S@@@. Pimp hits and HR’s, not pitches taken.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2024 18:26:09 GMT -5
Dude, you got 2 strikes, throw something that is close to the zone !!
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Post by asm18 on Jun 15, 2024 18:27:11 GMT -5
Thataboy Coop
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