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Post by asm18 on Jun 25, 2024 20:34:12 GMT -5
Winck with 5 innings, 2 runs. 4 hits, 6 k’s, 1 BB. Admittedly, not exactly the most high leverage situation down a bunch.
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Post by tedf on Jun 25, 2024 20:36:03 GMT -5
Winck with 5 innings, 2 runs. 4 hits, 6 k’s, 1 BB. Admittedly, not exactly the most high leverage situation down a bunch. On a clean 70 pitches. He could come back for one more, I think he is fully stretched out?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 25, 2024 20:44:53 GMT -5
I am good with Winck reentering the rotation. As far as Bello - got some work to do there - he was so fragile tonight - fell apart when a few things didn't go his way.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 25, 2024 20:45:34 GMT -5
Great job by wink to save a taxed bullpen. Easy mvp of the game
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 25, 2024 20:50:44 GMT -5
Great performance from Winckowski today. Do you keep him up in the rotation or send him down for Bailey Horn or Uwasawa so you have another arm the next couple days and bring Criswell back up when he's eligible?
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Post by cmax on Jun 25, 2024 20:51:13 GMT -5
Fwiw if the Red Sox lose this, it will be only their second loss in the last 10 games. (They also lost the first game in Cincy). In both of these losses, Hamilton didn't start.
Know he got a little banged up in that last win over the Yankees where he stole four bases and scored three runs but hopefully this is just a rest day and he is back soon, as the team is different and better with Hamilton in the lineup.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 25, 2024 20:52:23 GMT -5
Last chance for durans hit streak
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Post by kwodes on Jun 25, 2024 20:52:39 GMT -5
anybody watching the NESN+ broadcast with Carabis I like it quite a bit
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Post by asm18 on Jun 25, 2024 20:55:47 GMT -5
Great performance from Winckowski today. Do you keep him up in the rotation or send him down for Bailey Horn or Uwasawa so you have another arm the next couple days and bring Criswell back up when he's eligible? I think I’d rather just have him start the next game he’s available to, use the off days to give the other starters extra rest, and then you see assess from there. Wincowski had a literal quality start out of the bullpen. Unfortunately the actual starter gave up 7 runs
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 25, 2024 20:59:15 GMT -5
Bats really had a rough night - 5 hits, 3 errors - 1,3,7,8,9 went 0 for 20.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 25, 2024 21:00:24 GMT -5
Winckowski can't pitch for 5 days now so you can decide whether he or Criswell makes the next start. The added benefit of it being Criswell is that you can have an extra guy in the bullpen in between. Or I guess you could go 6 man rotation but they don't like to do that. Or you could send Bello down I guess.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 25, 2024 21:00:29 GMT -5
Bello needs a time out and reset. Too much talent for this to be happening.
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Post by dcb26 on Jun 25, 2024 21:04:06 GMT -5
Guessing this is going to be an unpopular opinion but...all this talk of Bello being mentally soft is very weird to me. Tonight, he clearly didn't have either his slider or his changeup, so he switched thigs up by adding velocity to his fastball and moving it around the zone, to go along with his more normal sinker. And it was working decently well for a bit - his overall line would likely look a lot better if McGuire/whoever was calling the game hadn't inexplicably called for 3 straight sliders against Springer, leading to the last 2 runs and Bello leaving the game. I actually think its a relatively savvy move to try and play things up with what he did have working, on what was clearly going to be an off night.
Now if you want to be concerned that almost every time out there is some element of his game that Bello doesn't seem to have - yeah, fair, but to me he's plenty young enough for that to be allowed/expected.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 25, 2024 21:12:33 GMT -5
On the good side Bobby Dalbec hit 2 homers for the Woo Sox tonight. When do we bring him back?
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Post by taiwansox on Jun 25, 2024 22:05:48 GMT -5
Guessing this is going to be an unpopular opinion but...all this talk of Bello being mentally soft is very weird to me. Tonight, he clearly didn't have either his slider or his changeup, so he switched thigs up by adding velocity to his fastball and moving it around the zone, to go along with his more normal sinker. And it was working decently well for a bit - his overall line would likely look a lot better if McGuire/whoever was calling the game hadn't inexplicably called for 3 straight sliders against Springer, leading to the last 2 runs and Bello leaving the game. I actually think its a relatively savvy move to try and play things up with what he did have working, on what was clearly going to be an off night. Now if you want to be concerned that almost every time out there is some element of his game that Bello doesn't seem to have - yeah, fair, but to me he's plenty young enough for that to be allowed/expected. I agree on the fact he’s young and we need to be patient. The problem looks like he’s straight up overthrowing; the velo on his offspeed is way too high which is why the changeup and slider are flat. It’s going to get worse before it gets better if he keeps getting frustrated pumping 98 and throwing offspeed 88-90 mph…
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 25, 2024 22:24:00 GMT -5
Defence has to be better. The way the lineup was constructed tonight is going to fail quite often. Valdez at 2B is unplayable. Im sorry but its what it is. CR is much better in the OF where i truly believe he is GG caliber, not so much at SS where he is below average at this point. Im not 100% sure the answer but if this team wants to be a playoff team defensively they have to be better. The pitching is not good enough to give up extra outs and bases.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jun 26, 2024 10:33:13 GMT -5
Sneaky important game tonight. Sox were super messy last two days and stole one Monday. Need to keep the train on the tracks and playing clean baseball to keep distance between .500
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 26, 2024 12:23:09 GMT -5
Something like this is what I would love to hear out of Bello’s mouth after he return to the Red Sox from Worcester:
Masslive: “Winckowski said Monday his time with Worcester “went really well.”
“Obviously, the first few days, you’re a little grumpy,” he said. “But I feel like I tackled it pretty well and worked on a lot down there. I worked on the changeup, the cutter and the slider and just kind of throwing more strikes. I feel like I made a lot of progress down there.”
In the meantime Winckowski takes Bello’s spot in the rotation and Criswell comes back when a 5th starter is needed…..
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Post by incandenza on Jun 26, 2024 12:33:55 GMT -5
Here are two Red Sox starters' FIP/xFIP since returning from early season injury:
A: 4.64/4.04 B: 4.93/3.78
One is Pivetta, who people have been calling on to be signed to a long-term extension. The other is Bello, who people want to send down to AAA. Want to place your bets on which is which?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 26, 2024 12:44:02 GMT -5
Here are two Red Sox starters' FIP/xFIP since returning from early season injury:
A: 4.64/4.04 B: 4.93/3.78
One is Pivetta, who people have been calling on to be signed to a long-term extension. The other is Bello, who people want to send down to AAA. Want to place your bets on which is which?
If Bello's FIP matched his xFIP, then he'd be on pace for a nice little 2 WAR season.
I would not count on him having both a bad HR rate and an elite groundball rate going forward.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 26, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5
Defence has to be better. The way the lineup was constructed tonight is going to fail quite often. Valdez at 2B is unplayable. Im sorry but its what it is. CR is much better in the OF where i truly believe he is GG caliber, not so much at SS where he is below average at this point. Im not 100% sure the answer but if this team wants to be a playoff team defensively they have to be better. The pitching is not good enough to give up extra outs and bases. Agree totally. The outfield defense is, I think, pretty good. Rafaela is great in center where Duran is also (surprisingly) better than average. I think Duran, Abreu, and O'Neil are all above average at the corner outfield spots and Refsnyder isn't a butcher. The infield is another matter. I agree that Valdez is below average at 2nd. I think Rafaela could be average at short this year (make some plays most shortstops can't but fails to make some plays that most shortstops make), but I think asking him as essentially a rookie to shift back and forth between short and center on a game by game (and sometimes inning by inning) basis while working on hitting major league pitching and not chasing pitches so much is a huge ask. I could see Hamilton and Gonzalez as adequate at second, but I still have nightmares about Hamilton at short missing tagging 2nd on an easy double play followed by a three run homer and still don't think he is a great answer in the field at short. If they could obtain a defensive first shortstop (I wish Story wasn't hurt) and use Hamilton and Gonzalez at second, I think it would be a big help. Devers at 3rd I think we just have to live with because of his bat. Same with Casis at first if hr comes back.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 26, 2024 13:05:45 GMT -5
Here are two Red Sox starters' FIP/xFIP since returning from early season injury:
A: 4.64/4.04 B: 4.93/3.78
One is Pivetta, who people have been calling on to be signed to a long-term extension. The other is Bello, who people want to send down to AAA. Want to place your bets on which is which?
Winckowski’s demotion and Dalbec’s demotion did not have the same meaning. One fans hope to never see again in Boston, whereas, the other was to refine his trade and come back stronger. (Think Luke Skywalker turning from weakling into Jedi Knight to be the slayer of Darth Yador and the evil empire (Aaron Judge and the Yankees)). Bello needs to see Yoda.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 26, 2024 13:07:43 GMT -5
Bello has had a mostly successful 1.5 years in the majors. I guess I don't see how sending him to AAA ball does him any good right now. If he's healthy then he should be in the majors. If he's hurt then IL him. No need to demote him.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 26, 2024 13:11:56 GMT -5
Blue Jays have 2024 Offseason Mystery Box Candidate Yariel Rodriguez going tonight. He's dealt with injuries, but in 16.2 innings to this point: 5.94 ERA, 1.92 WHIP, 17 k's and 11 BB's. You may recall he was primarily a bullpen arm in Japan, sat out the whole 2023 season when they refused to void his contract so he could come to the U.S., had a nice showing as a starter in one game at the World Baseball Classic for Cuba, and now here we are.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 26, 2024 13:24:51 GMT -5
Blue Jays have 2024 Offseason Mystery Box Candidate Yariel Rodriguez going tonight. He's dealt with injuries, but in 16.2 innings to this point: 5.94 ERA, 1.92 WHIP, 17 k's and 11 BB's. You may recall he was primarily a bullpen arm in Japan, sat out the whole 2023 season when they refused to void his contract so he could come to the U.S., had a nice showing as a starter in one game at the World Baseball Classic for Cuba, and now here we are. Tonight feels like one you gotta have. Going against a struggling SP at home. Gotta keep the momentum going. Just need to keep winning series.
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