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6/28-6/30 Red Sox vs. Padres Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 30, 2024 15:19:01 GMT -5
Can I do this? Forgive me, Guidas - but
Great Win!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 30, 2024 15:20:54 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 30, 2024 15:52:48 GMT -5
Josh Winckowski being the most effective starter over the course of the last week of June (he pitched 6 innings 2 runs in relief his last time out) - just like we all predicted. Will be interesting to see who they choose between him and Criswell They already chose, and the choice was Winckowski. I could see Breslow trade away Pivetta and acquire someone with more controllability in which case both Criswell and Winckowski would be added to Houck, Crawford, and Bello.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 30, 2024 16:28:48 GMT -5
To do list for the pitching staff
Rotation - Winck, Houck, Kutter, Bello, (Criswell or Fitts, or preferably trade for an arm) - 5
work to do - Kutter on location to stop the dingers, Bello on confidence, command.
Pen - Kenley, Martin, Slaten, Bernie, Kelly, Anderson - add Mata and hope he works out, add Pivetta - he has been great in the pen in the past - 8
move Weissert, Horn
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 30, 2024 16:37:28 GMT -5
That's more like it, lads.
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2024 16:53:24 GMT -5
To do list for the pitching staff Rotation - Winck, Houck, Kutter, Bello, (Criswell or Fitts, or preferably trade for an arm) - 5 work to do - Kutter on location to stop the dingers, Bello on confidence, command. Pen - Kenley, Martin, Slaten, Bernie, Kelly, Anderson - add Mata and hope he works out, add Pivetta - he has been great in the pen in the past - 8 move Weissert, Horn If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 30, 2024 16:58:01 GMT -5
To do list for the pitching staff Rotation - Winck, Houck, Kutter, Bello, (Criswell or Fitts, or preferably trade for an arm) - 5 work to do - Kutter on location to stop the dingers, Bello on confidence, command. Pen - Kenley, Martin, Slaten, Bernie, Kelly, Anderson - add Mata and hope he works out, add Pivetta - he has been great in the pen in the past - 8 move Weissert, Horn If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo Which all things considered I wouldn't be completely against depending on what the return for Pivetta could be.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 30, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -5
To do list for the pitching staff Rotation - Winck, Houck, Kutter, Bello, (Criswell or Fitts, or preferably trade for an arm) - 5 work to do - Kutter on location to stop the dingers, Bello on confidence, command. Pen - Kenley, Martin, Slaten, Bernie, Kelly, Anderson - add Mata and hope he works out, add Pivetta - he has been great in the pen in the past - 8 move Weissert, Horn If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo Yeah, if they keep Pivetta as a starter for the stretch run that's one thing, but if they failed to trade him only so that they could get 20 bullpen innings out of him down the stretch I would be very annoyed.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 30, 2024 16:59:42 GMT -5
To do list for the pitching staff Rotation - Winck, Houck, Kutter, Bello, (Criswell or Fitts, or preferably trade for an arm) - 5 work to do - Kutter on location to stop the dingers, Bello on confidence, command. Pen - Kenley, Martin, Slaten, Bernie, Kelly, Anderson - add Mata and hope he works out, add Pivetta - he has been great in the pen in the past - 8 move Weissert, Horn If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo Were not going to get much. Better off keeping him.
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2024 17:08:36 GMT -5
If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo Were not going to get much. Better off keeping him. Sure but not in the bullpen when there are probably 29 teams out there that value him as a SP
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Post by asm18 on Jun 30, 2024 17:18:10 GMT -5
Were not going to get much. Better off keeping him. Sure but not in the bullpen when there are probably 29 teams out there that value him as a SP I’m a little uncomfortable at the idea of making Josh Winckowski our 4th starter after 1 good start (and another de facto start out of relief).
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 30, 2024 17:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 30, 2024 18:42:46 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Jun 30, 2024 18:50:01 GMT -5
Some of the playoff models like Fangraphs absolutely love the Astros. (And given their talent and pedigree, you can’t really blame them!) We’ll see how the Sox and the other AL Wild Card hopefuls perform the next month, but the Red Sox could have a great July and still have sub 50% playoff odds at the deadline in the eyes of the computers.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 30, 2024 19:21:24 GMT -5
Gee, I hadn't realized they were at 95% playoff odds in 2021. They almost boofed it at the end!
I also didn't remember how high their odds were for much of 2022. They were above 50% as late as July 15th. I *do* remember, though, that every pitcher within a 100-mile radius of Fenway Park proceeded to land on the IL that month, which is what scotched that season.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 30, 2024 20:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Jun 30, 2024 22:28:09 GMT -5
If you’re replacing Pivetta with Winckowski in the rotation you might as well just trade Pivetta imo Were not going to get much. Better off keeping him. One of the strange things here is fans who think a player has little value and is disposable consistently think other teams place great value on such players.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 1, 2024 8:06:25 GMT -5
Were not going to get much. Better off keeping him. One of the strange things here is fans who think a player has little value and is disposable consistently think other teams place great value on such players. That does happen here but I don’t think that’s what cdj was doing. You don’t have to believe a player would get some highly rated return to think it’s worth trading him. Brandon Workman wasn’t likely to return much, neither was Christian Vazquez, and yet those returns are panning out great. If your options with Pivetta are trade him for a mid level prospect or put him in the bullpen I’d take the former everyday. That said, I’m also not ready to give up on him in the rotation, did everyone forget how awesome he was in the second half last year? I’d like to wait a bit before I’m sure he should be the one to move.
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Post by patford on Jul 1, 2024 8:35:01 GMT -5
One of the strange things here is fans who think a player has little value and is disposable consistently think other teams place great value on such players. That does happen here but I don’t think that’s what cdj was doing. You don’t have to believe a player would get some highly rated return to think it’s worth trading him. Brandon Workman wasn’t likely to return much, neither was Christian Vazquez, and yet those returns are panning out great. If your options with Pivetta are trade him for a mid level prospect or put him in the bullpen I’d take the former everyday. That said, I’m also not ready to give up on him in the rotation, did everyone forget how awesome he was in the second half last year? I’d like to wait a bit before I’m sure he should be the one to move. Pivetta is a good example. Trade him for what? A pitcher who very likely isn't going to be as good as Pivetta? The Sox could sell (give up on the season) and trade Pivetta and Jansen for pitching prospects. Would not bother me as the Sox making the playoffs isn't what I hope for. As a Sox fan who watched the 1967 Series on television (one game with the sound off, in a grade school classroom. The teacher was a nun from Boston) it's World Series Champion or nothing. In fact losing the W.S. is worse than finishing dead last because the team ended up losing and has a worse draft pick.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 1, 2024 8:57:29 GMT -5
Totally agree. Why don't we at least wait for a month before assuming Wink is a big league starter. Sure but not in the bullpen when there are probably 29 teams out there that value him as a SP I’m a little uncomfortable at the idea of making Josh Winckowski our 4th starter after 1 good start (and another de facto start out of relief).
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2024 9:46:16 GMT -5
Yeah for the record 0.0% chance I’m ever having a situation where Pivetta goes to the pen and Winck stays in the rotation. I’ve probably been the biggest Winckowski proponent on here but he got 3 whiffs yesterday. It will be hard to sustain success without missing bats.
What I’m saying is that it’s dumb asset management to put Pivetta in the bullpen when there are 29 other teams out there who would value him as a starter and would pay a starters price to acquire him. I would rather have the return for a mid rotation starter than a reliever. (But I don’t want Pivetta to be a reliever here anyway and I doubt the Sox do too so it’s all moot)
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Post by gerry on Jul 2, 2024 1:39:14 GMT -5
That does happen here but I don’t think that’s what cdj was doing. You don’t have to believe a player would get some highly rated return to think it’s worth trading him. Brandon Workman wasn’t likely to return much, neither was Christian Vazquez, and yet those returns are panning out great. If your options with Pivetta are trade him for a mid level prospect or put him in the bullpen I’d take the former everyday. That said, I’m also not ready to give up on him in the rotation, did everyone forget how awesome he was in the second half last year? I’d like to wait a bit before I’m sure he should be the one to move. Pivetta is a good example. Trade him for what? A pitcher who very likely isn't going to be as good as Pivetta? The Sox could sell (give up on the season) and trade Pivetta and Jansen for pitching prospects. Would not bother me as the Sox making the playoffs isn't what I hope for. As a Sox fan who watched the 1967 Series on television (one game with the sound off, in a grade school classroom. The teacher was a nun from Boston) it's World Series Champion or nothing. In fact losing the W.S. is worse than finishing dead last because the team ended up losing and has a worse draft pick. The ‘67 WS remains a lifetime highlight. I knew several of the guys from an earlier ST in Scottsdale and later on the Cape. My most up close and personal of any season. FWIW. And hang on to Pivetta. He’s not done.
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