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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2024 21:45:58 GMT -5
MLB Draft - Day 2
Time: 2:00 PM Eastern Time
Where to watch: MLB.com Day 2 Picks: Rounds 3-10
Red Sox Day 2 Picks: 86, 115, 148, 177, 207, 237, 267, 297
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 15, 2024 9:01:27 GMT -5
Is there an overslot lurking here? Did they cut an underslot deal with Tolle?
Can't wait to find out!
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 9:05:40 GMT -5
Ok, it's that time of year. The college pitching guide according to a guy with internet access.
I kid but some alums from the prestigious list include Ryan Zeferjahn, Ryan Pepiot, Mason Miller, and at least a dozen other big leaguers.
I tried to keep this to guys I think will go today, with another list of guys prepped for tomorrow, as I got another 30 names, I don't want to take up the entire day with. Here are some available Ps that I like:
The '23 1st rounders who didn't have 1st round springs in '24: Matt Ager- UC Santa Babs RHP- He got some love early in our draft thread and was poised to be another Guacho 1st rounder after a strong '23 and summer with the CMNT, but he had a rough year. We've seen a lot of pitchers have that happen, and it doesn't shy me away given the offensive college environment (although his conference is not as known for the crazy offense). There's enough to work with here from a projectability standpoint. Even in '23 he seemed "twitchy" on the mound- he has a tick where he taps his chest with his glove before every pitch, and other quirks- so maybe clearing his mind and getting him in a pro program will re-establish him.
Lebarron Johnson- Texas RHP- Was a popular name here on Day 2 and 3 last year. He went back to school for his JR where some thought he'd pitch his way into the 1st round. His season and wasn't terrible, but an ERA over 5 and a half will drop you a bit. BA has him at 189, and questions on if he's a SP still exist, but the FB and Slider look like big league pitches. I like the delivery and athleticism and would gamble on upside here- even for a 22 yr old college arm.
Thatcher Hurd- LSU RHP Another Well talked about player in our draft threads, he just didn't have the results this year to match the stuff and he was dropped to the bullpen. The stuff is legit, upper 90s FBs, high spin rate slider and CB- and a team will dream on that stuff and delivery with hopes of ratcheting up the command - probably pretty early today- and let's just hope it's not the MFY or Dodgers.
Josh Hartle Wake Forest LHP- Highly regarded out of HS (a top 25 draft prospect by BA IIRC)- he had two strong years at Wake before the stuff really fell off this year. I think he'll go pretty quick today given his pedigree and pitch mix, in the hopes of getting him back on track. I'm quite sure he'll be a big-league SP.
Non P5 Intriguers: Nick Brink-Portland RHP- Every year I choose a team to follow that is extremely random. This year it was the Portland Pilots. After taking a series at A&M in '23 they caught my eye, and I decided this year I'd pay closer attention to them. He throws 4 pitches, his FB is mid 90s, throws a change and CB, and slider (not a sweeper version) and pounds the strike zone. BA has him 204, MLB 166 and both think he lacks elite pitches, but the command is what excites me here. He has a good frame and is someone that will pop in a pro program IMO. He's an older P, but there are a lot of Matt Duffy parallels here, and I think he's a bit better stuff wise tbh. He's my number one guy to follow today.
Sam Stuhr-Portland RHP- The 2nd Pilot that will be drafted (or maybe 1st) is a bit "stuffier" than Brink. He's up to 98, the breaking balls are more spinney, but he doesn't have nearly the command and is only 6'- but he has a 4-pitch mix, and again if the command can be sharpened- he'll have a chance.
Nate Knowles- Bill & Mary RHP - The Tribe had a few promising Ps this year- Mark Hnidy is xferring to Duke, where I think he will be a good prospect next yr, and Knowles was their best. Undersized, but armed with a good IVB fb that generated a ton of swing and miss. A good pitch data guy that with sharpened command could move quickly.
Ryan Forcucci- UC San Diego RHP- Could prob fit in the above category too, as he had a chance at the first round if not for injury. Another 4-pitch mix- he's got good command, too and a sturdy frame. He's 88 on BAs board, so he's highly thought of, the injury is the only reason he's available.
Sean Matson Harvard RHP- The Crimson have produced a handful of Ps in the last couple of MLB drafts, and Matson looks to be the next. a 26/2 K/BB on the Cape will open some eyes, and he has one of the better changeups in the draft. I always am drawn to a college P with a good changeup.
Mason Molina- Arkansas LHP- Stuff isn't overpowering, and an ankle injury hit his performance and prob his command a bit this spring, but he has a plus changeup. He doesn't sit there much but has been up to 95. His slider and CB are not good offerings, but overall, when I try and look for a Breslow candidate to unlock velo and make him into a better pro, Molina seems like one of the more obvious players to do that with
Others: Gage Ziehl- Miami RHP- A guy I think we will see off the board early today. Had a 15 CG win vs a potent Clemson O (at Mark Light Field which is a bit of a bandbox). Undersized in terms of height, but he's like 233 pounds, so he's not really. Interesting note here is that he was drafted by the Cubs in the '11th round out of HS and they made a big push to sign him.
Marcus Morgan Iowa RHP- 246 on MLB, but I think he goes a bit higher thanks to his frame and elite athleticism. The stuff is there too, the command has never been, but another P that could get into a pro program and thrive with command improvement.
Cameron Hill Ga Tech LHP- another 6'6 lefty in the fold? Hill's numbers for the Jackets do not match his profile. He did have an elite performance on the Cape in '23- I saw him in person and was unhittable. I also saw him this spring vs BC and he looked like a different guy. He then had a bad 9 innings for Cotuit this summer too and was released. His slider is a big spin rate pitch and has been mid 90s w the FB, so get him out of Atlanta and in a pro program to unlock his abilities.
Jack Findlay- Notre Dame LHP- Had TJ after '23 and hasn't pitched at all but was a big reason ND got to Omaha two years ago and is a classic lefty type. Good delivery, solid pitch mix- although nothing elite, but plenty to like as a sleeper of sorts if his medicals look good.
Janzen Kiesel- Ok St/Oregon RHP- Another pitch data guy lacking any sort of results for Ok State prior to 8 solid starts this year. He is xferring to Oregon if he doesn't sign, but the IVB FB and secondaries look strong.
Travis Smith- Kentucky RHP- Heart surgery (and TJ) early in his career threatened his future, but he battled back to become a legit pro SP prospect, before an injury this spring forced him to a bullpen role as he worked his way back- and hurt Kentucky's season as they didn't have much P hold up at their 1st CWS appearance. Smith has plenty of stuff- he's a bit of a throw back with a two-seamer that generates a ton of GBs, throws a cutter, good slider, and will flash a change. His command is better than most on this list, and if he can overcome some of the health hurdles- I think he's got a real good shot.
Prob a RP- But Who Knows Now-A-Days? Tyson Neighbors- Kansas St RHP that has only been an RP, and due to the delivery and command will likely only be a RP (although who knows with today's development- He's ranked 103 on BA and 95 on MLB- and well known. Great FB 20+ IVB, great spin rate on 2 breaking balls. He'll challenge for 1st P to the big leagues.
Fran Oschell -Duke RHP- After a stunning Fr. season and strong summer with the CNMT as a RP, many pointed to Duke as an Omaha contender thanks to Oschell- but he really struggled with command this spring. He's a big 6'7 P, so that can factor into it here, and more experience would do him well. I wouldn't be shocked for him to return to Duke- start- and regain his status for next year's draft.
Dennis Colleran- Northeastern RHP- As public-school kid from North Attleboro, he was in the top 200 out of HS. He went to Northeastern and had TJ mid-way through his Fr year. He returned to the mound this year hitter 100 from a 3/4s arm slot. He needs command to ratchet up, and secondaries too- but a great arm to build on. Not even 21 yet, so younger for the college class.
Cade Obermuller Iowa LHP- One of 3 Iowa SPs that will get drafted for a team that didn't make the NCAAs 2 yrs in a row- he'll prob be a RP in the pros, but the pitch data is plenty intriguing. There's a little bit of JoJo Ingrassia here in terms of size, pitch mix, and some of the traits the FO has coveted in the draft.
Chandler Marsh Georgia RHP- Big time stuff, up to 99, but wasn't healthy this spring. Does have the pitch mix- and frame to be a SP, but nowhere near the command.
Jared Spencer- Indiana St LHP- Power stuff with a herky-jerky delivery. The FB (upper 90s) and slider are legit offerings. RP only but a quick moving one.
JUCOs: Brandon Clarke - State JC of Florida LHP- A lefty up to 99 mph will always catch my eye. He had TJ in HS and left Alabama- so a lot of rawness here due to lack of innings, but quite the profile.
Jayden Voelker- North Essex CC RHP - A Rhode Island native and MA Juco with big stuff. Up to 96 and a really good breaking ball. A late bloomer who had a growth spurt and velo gains- doesn't have much of a track record vs good comp. He did pitch 6 innings on the cape this summer and struck out 7 yielding 6 hits and walking 2. Pure upside pick and another local.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 9:18:54 GMT -5
Bonus HS edition:
I don't know nearly as much of the HS guys, but some names.
Carson Wiggins RHP - His brother Jaxon was a 2nd rounder of the Cubs last year after having TJ his draft year. Wiggins has a big, sturdy frame with present velo. Command is a concern- as it is with all HS Ps, but a name to look for if they hit the pro ranks. Arkansas commit
Maverick Rizy a MA native and LSU commit is a hulking 6'10. He grew from 6'8 last year and shows some elite pitch data for a HS kid. But due to the size, comp, and command that comes with a tall P, LSU likely awaits. He will prob be a 1st rounder as a draft eligible soph as he's also 19.
Duncan Marsten- RHP from Harvard Westlake- He's from the famed Harvard Westlake so he's automatically on my radar. Vandy commit
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 15, 2024 9:39:16 GMT -5
You’ve heard of Noah Franco two way round player leaning toward the mound. Might be worth looking at. He reclassified for this draft instead of 2025.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 15, 2024 10:03:18 GMT -5
This is the day I think we get our biggest glimpse yet into Breslow's pitching prospect profile preferences (aka his 4P's).
This should be fun.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 15, 2024 10:05:23 GMT -5
We obviously won't know bonuses today, but count me as someone who'd rather see the Sox moderately overslot 3-4 different picks as opposed to primarily overslotting at like 2 picks.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 15, 2024 10:24:01 GMT -5
Ok, it's that time of year. The college pitching guide according to a guy with internet access. I kid but some alums from the prestigious list include Ryan Zeferjahn, Ryan Pepiot, Mason Miller, and at least a dozen other big leaguers. I tried to keep this to guys I think will go today, with another list of guys prepped for tomorrow, as I got another 30 names I don't want to take up the entire day with. Here are some available Ps that I like: The '23 1st rounders who didn't have 1st round springs in '24: Matt Ager- UC Santa Babs RHP- One spot behind Neighbors on BAs board is Matt Ager. He got some love early in our draft thread and was poised to be another Guacho 1st rounder after a strong '23 and summer with the CMNT, but he had a rough year. We've seen a lot of pitchers have that happen, and it doesn't shy me away given the offensive college environment (although his conference is not as known for the crazy offense). There's enough to work with here from a projectability stand point. Even in '23 he seemed "twitchy" on the mound- he has a tick where he taps his chest with his glove before every pitch, and other quirks- so maybe clearing his mind and getting him in a pro program will re-establish him. Lebarron Johnson- Texas RHP- Was a popular name here on Day 2 and 3 last year. He went back to school for his JR where some thought he'd pitch his way into the 1st round. His season and wasn't terrible, but an ERA over 5 and a half will drop you a bit. BA has him at 189, and questions on if he's a SP still exist, but the FB and Slider look like big league pitches. I like the delivery and athleticism and would gamble on upside here- even for a 22 yr old college arm. Thatcher Hurd- LSU RHP Another Well talked about player in our draft threads, he just didn't have the results this year to match the stuff and he was dropped to the bullpen. The stuff is legit, upper 90s fbs, high spin rate slider and CB- and a team will dream on that stuff and delivery with hopes of ratcheting up the command.- probably pretty early today- and let's just hope it's not the MFY or Dodgers. Josh Hartle Wake Forest LHP- Highly regarded out of HS-( a top 25 draft prospect by BA IIRC)- he had two strong years at Wake before the stuff really fell off this year. I think he'll go pretty quick today given his pedigree and pitch mix, in the hopes of getting him back on track. I'm quite sure he'll be a big league SP. Non P5 Intriguers: Nick Brink-Portland RHP- Every year I choose a team to follow that is extremely random. This year it was the Portland Pilots. After taking a series at A&M in '23 they caught my eye, and I decided this year I'd pay closer attention to them. He throws 4 pitches, his FB is mid 90s, throws a change and CB, and slider (not a sweeper version) and pounds the strike zone. BA has him 204, MLB 166 and both think he lacks elite pitches, but the command is what excites me here. He has a good frame, and is someone that will pop in a pro program IMO. He's an older P, but there are a lot of Matt Duffy parallels here, and I think he's a bit better stuff wise tbh. He's my number one guy to follow today. Sam Stuhr-Portland RHP- The 2nd Pilot that will be drafted (or maybe 1st) is a bit more "stuffy" than Brink. He's up to 98, the breaking balls are more spinny, but he doesn't have nearly the command and is only 6'- but he has a 4 pitch mix, and again if the command can be sharpened- he'll have a chance. Nate Knowles- Bill & Mary RHP - The Tribe had a few promising Ps this year- Mark Hnidy is xferring to Duke, where I think he will be a good prospect next yr, and Knowles was their best. Undersized, but armed with a good IVB fb that generated a ton of swing and miss. A good pitch data guy that with sharpened command could move quickly. Ryan Forcucci- San Diego RHP- Could prob fit in the above category too, as he had a chance at the first round if not for injury. Another 4 pitch mix- he's got good command, too and a sturdy frame. He's 88 on BAs board, so he's highly thought of, the injury is the only reason he's available. Sean Matson Harvard RHP- The Crimson have produced a handful of Ps in the last couple of MLB drafts, and Matson looks to be the next. a 26/2 K/BB on the Cape will open some eyes, and he has one of the better change ups in the draft. I always am drawn to a college P with a good change-up. Others: Gage Ziehl- Miami RHP- A guy I think we will see off the board early today. Had a 15 CG win vs a potent Clemson O (at Mark Light Field which is a bit of a bandbox). Undersized in terms of height, but he's like 233 pounds, so he's not really. Interesting note here is that he was drafted by the Cubs in the '11th round our of HS and they made a big push to sign him. Marcus Morgan Iowa RHP- 246 on MLB, but I think he goes a bit higher thanks to his frame and elite athleticism. The stuff is there too, the command has never been, but another P that could get into a pro program and thrive with command improvement. Cameron Hill Ga Tech LHP- another 6'6 lefty in the fold? Hill's numbers for the Jackets do not match his profile. He did have an elite performance on the Cape in '23- I saw him in person and was unhittable. I also saw him this spring vs BC and he looked like a different guy. He then had a bad 9 innings for Cotuit this summer too and was released. His slider is a big spin rate pitch and has been mid 90s w the FB, so get him out of Atlanta and in a pro program to unlock his abilities. Jack Findlay- Notre Dame LHP- Had TJ after '23 and hasn't pitched at all, but was a big reason ND got to Ohama two years ago and is a classic lefty type. Good delivery, solid pitch mix- although nothing elite, but plenty to like as a sleeper of sorts if his medicals look good. Janzen Kiesel- Ok St/Oregon RHP- Another pitch data guy lacking any sort of results for Ok State prior to 8 solid starts this year. He is xferring to Oregon if he doesn't sign, but the IVB FB and secondaries look strong. Prob a RP- But Who knows Now-a-days? Tyson Neighbors- Kansas St RHP that has only been an RP, and due to the delivery and command will likely only be a RP (althought who knows with today's development- He's ranked 103 on BA and 95 on MLB- and well known. Great FB 20+ IVB, great spin rate on 2 breaking balls. He'll challenge for 1st P to the big leagues. Fran Oschell -Duke RHP- After a stunning Fr. season and strong summer with the CNMT as a RP, many pointed to Duke as an Ohama contender thanks to Oschell- but he really struggled with command this spring. He's a big 6'7 P, so that can factor into it here, and more experience would do him well. I wouldn't be shocked for him to return to Duke- start- and regain his status for next year's draft. Dennis Colleran- Northeastern RHP- A public school kid from North Attleboro, he was in the top 200 out of HS. He went to Northeastern and had TJ mid way through his Fr year. He returned to the mound this year hitter 100 from a 3/4s arm slot. He needs command to ratchet up, and secondaries too- but a great arm to build on. Not even 21 yet, so younger for the college class. Cade Obermuller Iowa LHP- One of 3 Iowa SPs that will get drafted for a team that didn't make the NCAAs 2 yrs in a row- he'll prob be a RP in the pros, but the pitch data is plenty intriguing. There's a little bit of JoJo Ingrassia here in terms of size, pitch mix, and some of the traits the FO has coveted in the draft. Chandler Marsh Georgia RHP- Big time stuff, up to 99, but wasn't healthy this spring. Does have the pitch mix- and frame to be a SP, but nowhere near the command. JUCOs: Brandon Clarke - State JC of Florida LHP- A lefty up to 99 mph will always catch my eye. He had TJ in HS and left Alabama- so a lot of rawness here due to lack of innings, but quite the profile. Jayden Voelker- North Essex CC RHP - A Rhode Island native and MA Juco with big stuff. Up to 96 and a really good breaking ball. A late bloomer who had a growth spurt and velo gains- doesn't have much of a track record vs good comp. He did pitch 6 innings on the cape this summer and struck out 7 yielding 6 hits and walking 2. Pure upside pick and another local. Good list. Only guy on this list I'm entirely out on is Hartle.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 15, 2024 10:24:43 GMT -5
This is the day I think we get our biggest glimpse yet into Breslow's pitching prospect profile preferences (aka his 4P's). This should be fun. Per peers, Breslow’s pitching prospect profile preferences promise potential player progress. Perfect!
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Post by mobaz on Jul 15, 2024 10:36:19 GMT -5
This is the day I think we get our biggest glimpse yet into Breslow's pitching prospect profile preferences (aka his 4P's). This should be fun. Per peers, Breslow’s Principal Picker's pitching prospect profile preferences promise potential player progress. Perfect! FIFY
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 15, 2024 11:17:21 GMT -5
When we pick Conrad Cason next I'm going to quote this post and brag
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 15, 2024 11:57:17 GMT -5
When we pick Conrad Cason next I'm going to quote this post and brag How will that compare with freddy's the future's pick of Blaze Jordan right after the Sox picked Nick Yorke in 2020?
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Post by mjammz on Jul 15, 2024 12:59:44 GMT -5
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Post by insanesoxfan on Jul 15, 2024 13:02:02 GMT -5
Am I the only one who wants a HS pitcher? Who is down for a gamble??
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:03:06 GMT -5
And here we go, day 2 is off and running.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 13:04:42 GMT -5
I didn't include Beam, bc I was certain he'd be gone by 84.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:04:43 GMT -5
The draft tracker is already two picks ahead of the broadcast.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 13:06:23 GMT -5
Cole Messina goes to the Rox, his brother, Carson is a highly regarded SP prospect committed to So Carolina as well
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:07:14 GMT -5
Nats take Kevin Bazzell, who Kiley McDaniel linked to Red Sox I believe.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:07:35 GMT -5
All college players so far.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 15, 2024 13:08:12 GMT -5
5 picks away
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 13:08:14 GMT -5
Nats take Kevin Bazzell, who Kiley McDaniel linked to Red Sox I believe. Boo! They already took a college C
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:09:03 GMT -5
Angels take Ryan Prager.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:10:31 GMT -5
Pirates take Josh Hartle. Three picks away.
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