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7/19-7/21 Red Sox @ Dodgers Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 19, 2024 23:48:10 GMT -5
Sox have the toughest schedule in baseball the rest of the way...not gonna be easy to hang on to a wild card spot even with their great recent run.
Feeling the injuries to Martin and Slaten tonight, it's gonna be much less reliable without those guys.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 19, 2024 23:50:55 GMT -5
Before we all overreact remember this is the Friday Sox.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 20, 2024 0:00:15 GMT -5
As soon as I saw Kelly walk Vargas I said that is the ball game. Invariably walks kill this team more than any other team that i have ever seen. You cn't keep squandering opportunities like this team does and expect to squeak through. Abreu is strictly in pull mode no matter where the ball is. John Farrell would be proud of the LOB's. this happens more often than not.
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 20, 2024 0:05:09 GMT -5
I get why he brought in Bernadino lefty back to back. However a fully rested Jansen your closer should’ve gotten the ball. You match your best with theirs . You know Jansen would be up for this game and could go multiple innings. Hindsight sucks. Jansen though really is limited in his ability to go multiple innings, and you don’t want to do it often. I get not using him there. He really wanted Kelly to get two outs than have Ohtani come up with the bases empty. I understand that , but Jansen was fully rested 4 days. He’s only pitched 2 innings in 2 games. The last one before the break. Jansen is a strike out pitcher and gets weak contact exactly what you want with first and third 1 out. Like I said it’s hindsight, I’d rather go down with my best Relief pitcher at least, no stone would be unturned.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 0:10:26 GMT -5
Jansen though really is limited in his ability to go multiple innings, and you don’t want to do it often. I get not using him there. He really wanted Kelly to get two outs than have Ohtani come up with the bases empty. I understand that , but Jansen was fully rested 4 days. He’s only pitched 2 innings in 2 games. The last one before the break. Like I said it’s hindsight, I’d rather go down with my best Relief pitcher at least, no stone would be unturned. It should be noted that Kenley was warming up alongside Weissert right before that intentional walk. Again, all hindsight, but would have liked to see him come in after Kelly in that spot.
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Post by briam on Jul 20, 2024 5:43:02 GMT -5
Tonight was pretty much a highlight of the teams shortcomings. Need a bullpen arm and a right handed bat pretty bad.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 20, 2024 5:48:18 GMT -5
Little worried about going against lefty, lefty the next two games. This team hasn't fared all that well against even decent lefties recently. Honestly just hoping to win one of the next two. They're going to lose series along the way, what they can't afford is getting swept if they want to make a run at the post season.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 6:40:45 GMT -5
The 2024 Sox lose on Fridays and win on Sundays so this series was always going to come down to today’s game anyways
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Post by bluechip on Jul 20, 2024 6:41:13 GMT -5
Little worried about going against lefty, lefty the next two games. This team hasn't fared all that well against even decent lefties recently. Honestly just hoping to win one of the next two. They're going to lose series along the way, what they can't afford is getting swept if they want to make a run at the post season. Everyone needs a bullpen arm. Kelly has been nails as has Bernarnido (that Ohtani hit was luck—he missed it, and one bad pitch to a hall of famer). I wouldn’t give up a ton to get a rental reliever. They have a tendency to suddenly turn into pumpkins and that inning could happen to 95% of the pitchers you would acquire—obviously there are better guys out there but last night was not an indication to me that the Red Sox should give up a ton for a reliever. A righty bat is needed. Preferably a middle infielder. I am not sure that exists on the trade market. If Casas isn’t coming back fully healthy, a righty first baseman is definitely what they need.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 20, 2024 6:56:19 GMT -5
In positive news, Grissom starts his rehab assignment today. Hopefully he can return in a few weeks and be part of the solution against lefties.
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 20, 2024 7:59:51 GMT -5
Also the team was 0-11 with runners in scoring position coupled with 6 left on base. They aren’t moving the runners over. Prime example Duran doubles to start the game. They have to get him in , they aren’t a power hitting team. They need to manufacture runs using speed.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 20, 2024 8:11:25 GMT -5
For those saying that Jansen should have gone 2 innings last night I totally disagree.
He went 2 innings because Cora hadnt worked in awhile AND Cora knew Jansen would follow those 2 innings with 4 days off.
The second part of that sentence is key. For all we know the Sox could be up 4-3 tonight and in need of Jansen's services but if he goes 2 the night before you're probably not seeing him for a day or even 2.
Jansen is not accustomed to throwing 2 innings.
And when he did last Sunday, he nearly blew the game. He dominated the 8th inning and had to be bailed out by the Raffy to Raffy play. Had that not happened he probably would have blown the game.
I think 4 outs at this point is to the max extent to which you'd want to push Jansen to.
If you think you have to pitch Jansen two innings to close out a 1 run game or even a 2 run game, that screams that you dont trust the setup relievers.
That's the real problem. The uncertainty with Martin and to a little lesser extent Slaten (I know Slaten has nicer peripherals, etc, but Martin is an unflappable trustworthy seasoned vet, and they're most feeling his loss in my opinion, although Slaten is certainly a big loss, too)
I dont trust Kelly's control enough for him to be the primary setup guy.
If Martin's not coming back, they probably need to add a high leverage setup man. It would be awesome if Liam Hendrik could step into that role, but who knows?
That's the issue. They need a slugging 1b. They need a veteran setup guy who can handle pressure situations and a RH power hitter who in a perfect world could be a good defensive SS and the could also use a RH 2b who could be good enough to relegate Hamilton to the bench.
In a perfect world the cost to acquire these guys is nothing.
It would be great if Casas could come back healthy, if Story could make it back toward the end of the season, if Liam Hendrik could run with the 8th inning role, and if Grissom could at worst platoon at 2b and best case scenario, hit like he did in the minors and seize the 2b job.
Cant count on any of these. So they need to grab a RH power bat, one that preferably can play 1b and relegate Smith to a backup role.
They obviously need a starter with Giolito not coming back.
They might need a high leverage setup man that Cora can turn the 8th inning over to and save the mixing and matching for the 6th and 7th innings.
And a RH SS would be nice but I'd place that much further down the list. At this point a defensive off the bench SS would be nice. Maybe ge would have been there yesterday, Rafaela would have been in CF, displacing Duran to LF and with his speed maybe he catches Ohtani's ball down the line that O'Neill couldn't reach? Speed in LF away from Fenway is not a bad thing.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2024 9:02:45 GMT -5
Classic Cora boner - instead of bringing in a reliever who wouldn't have given up a run, he brought in relievers who did give up runs. What was he thinking??
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Post by bluechip on Jul 20, 2024 9:21:12 GMT -5
They obviously need a starter with Giolito not coming back. Crawford, Houck and Pivetta are solid 1,2,3. Bello is your four or five. Yes they could use a four or five since Bello has not been up to snuff, but everyone could use a fifth starter. I don’t see that as an extreme urgency.you could say the same thing about every team every year. How much are willing to give up for someone bumping Criswell from the rotation? How much better is that guy than Criswell? I don’t see Scherzer happening. Pitching really hasn’t been the issue. Four runs against the Dodgers is not bad.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 20, 2024 9:28:08 GMT -5
They obviously need a starter with Giolito not coming back. Crawford, Houck and Pivetta are solid 1,2,3. Bello is your four or five. Yes they could use a four or five since Bello has not been up to snuff, but everyone could use a fifth starter. I don’t see that as an extreme urgency.you could say the same thing about every team every year. How much are willing to give up for someone bumping Criswell from the rotation? How much better is that guy than Criswell? I don’t see Scherzer happening. Pitching really hasn’t been the issue. Four runs against the Dodgers is not bad. I go by, would I trust this guy to start a playoff game? I trust Houck, Crawford, and Pivetta at this point. I dont really trust Bello, and I think when all is said and done Criswell will wind up with an ERA around 5. All it takes is one injury or a pitcher hitting an innings wall, then where does that leave you? You cant have too much pitching. I think there's pitching out there to be had, but while a front line would be nice, a solid 3 or 4th starter would be useful. As long as they dont touch the top 4, and now I'm thinking Arias needs to be the one really young guy they hang on to.
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Post by gerry on Jul 20, 2024 9:52:26 GMT -5
Classic Cora boner - instead of bringing in a reliever who wouldn't have given up a run, he brought in relievers who did give up runs. What was he thinking?? Cora doesn’t get the classic boner call for pulling Nick after 90 or using Kelly, and certainly not for Bernie who hadn’t given up a HR to go with his miserly ERA, or for holding out Jansen for the bottom of a ninth which never came. Even in combination not egregious. He gets that classic award for intentionally loading the bsses for Freeman for handedness, who is not only a great hitter but also a terrifying leader in hitting with RISP. Hunch? Odds? Bad move? I agree he has been a better, more energized manager this season but his Achilles heel remains.
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Post by briam on Jul 20, 2024 10:15:36 GMT -5
Little worried about going against lefty, lefty the next two games. This team hasn't fared all that well against even decent lefties recently. Honestly just hoping to win one of the next two. They're going to lose series along the way, what they can't afford is getting swept if they want to make a run at the post season. Everyone needs a bullpen arm. Kelly has been nails as has Bernarnido (that Ohtani hit was luck—he missed it, and one bad pitch to a hall of famer). I wouldn’t give up a ton to get a rental reliever. They have a tendency to suddenly turn into pumpkins and that inning could happen to 95% of the pitchers you would acquire—obviously there are better guys out there but last night was not an indication to me that the Red Sox should give up a ton for a reliever. A righty bat is needed. Preferably a middle infielder. I am not sure that exists on the trade market. If Casas isn’t coming back fully healthy, a righty first baseman is definitely what they need. Agreed with everything except the bit about Bernardino. Hes been pretty rough for a while.
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Post by thelpc on Jul 20, 2024 10:16:37 GMT -5
Classic Cora boner - instead of bringing in a reliever who wouldn't have given up a run, he brought in relievers who did give up runs. What was he thinking?? Cora doesn’t get the classic boner call for pulling Nick after 90 or using Kelly, and certainly not for Bernie who hadn’t given up a HR to go with his miserly ERA, or for holding out Jansen for the bottom of a ninth which never came. Even in combination not egregious. He gets that classic award for intentionally loading the bsses for Freeman for handedness, who is not only a great hitter but also a terrifying leader in hitting with RISP. Hunch? Odds? Bad move? I agree he has been a better, more energized manager this season but his Achilles heel remains. I understand the justification of walking Will Smith, but I absolutely loathe the complete dogmatic devotion to left on left there. I know Freeman was hitting something like .240 off lefties this year, but when one guy is Will Smith and the other guy is going to Cooperstown some day, I’m taking my chances with Will Smith
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Post by asm18 on Jul 20, 2024 10:29:28 GMT -5
The Astros have come back from being 12-24 in early May and 33-40 the middle of last month to being mere percentage points above the Mariners for the AL West crown after beating them in Seattle last night.
The Mariners, who have lost 4 in a row, have the worst team strikeout rate of all time at 28.1%.
(Part of that is a modern K rate thing because the 2024 Red Sox are 26th all time on that list with 25.2% 😅)
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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2024 10:31:07 GMT -5
I am generally not a fan of intentionally walking the bases loaded because of the pressure it puts on the pitcher to not walk the next guy, but are you guys aware of Will Smith's career-long track record as an excellent hitter? And of Bernardino's massive L/R splits? Setting aside the bases loaded issue, pitching to Freeman rather than Smith was without question the preferable matchup there.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 20, 2024 11:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2024 11:26:25 GMT -5
I am generally not a fan of intentionally walking the bases loaded because of the pressure it puts on the pitcher to not walk the next guy, but are you guys aware of Will Smith's career-long track record as an excellent hitter? And of Bernardino's massive L/R splits? Setting aside the bases loaded issue, pitching to Freeman rather than Smith was without question the preferable matchup there. Yeah I’ll definitely have my criticisms of Cora but last night isn’t one, he was in a rough spot without Martin and Slaten
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Post by keninten on Jul 20, 2024 11:35:38 GMT -5
I would have liked to see Kenley come in to face Ohtani. Someone else for the 9th.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 20, 2024 12:20:07 GMT -5
No issues with Cora last night. Situational hitting did the team in. It's a loss - we won't win all second half games. Pivetta, Duran were the highlights. Next 2 are important.
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2024 13:30:03 GMT -5
Kid for the dodgers tonight relies on a 95 mph 4 seamer that plays down due to him getting some of the worst extension in the league (1st percentile). Baseball Savant is not impressed with his small sample
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