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7/22-7/24 Red Sox @ Rockies Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jul 22, 2024 8:37:42 GMT -5
7/22 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 8-6, 2.54, 117.0 IP, 112K:26BB) @ Rockies (LHP Austin Gomber, 2-6, 4.61, 99.2 IP, 67K:25BB) 8:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/23 Red Sox (TBD) @ Rockies (RHP German Marquez, 0-0, 6.75, 4.0 IP, 3K:4BB) 8:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/24 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 4-6, 3.87, 81.1 IP, 96K:21BB) @ Rockies (RHP Cal Quantrill, 6-7, 4.15, 108.1 IP, 83K:41BB) 3:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by asm18 on Jul 22, 2024 8:52:36 GMT -5
Austin Gomber’s 90 mph fastball vs Red Sox hitters who can’t hit lefties - an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2024 9:22:58 GMT -5
Red Sox have destroyed bad teams all year so this is nice timing to get back on track. Also the Royals, Twins and Yankees all have tougher matchups so a good chance to pick up a couple
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Post by seamus on Jul 22, 2024 11:00:59 GMT -5
Let's render Jansen's little break irrelevant and pad out the Pythagorean W-L record a bit.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jul 22, 2024 11:11:40 GMT -5
Austin Gomber’s 90 mph fastball vs Red Sox hitters who can’t hit lefties - an unstoppable force meets an immovable object FIFY
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2024 14:14:02 GMT -5
I think this series is pretty pivotal to the direction the team takes heading into the deadline. If this ends in a disaster I can see them shifting back to selling.
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Post by costpet on Jul 22, 2024 14:21:30 GMT -5
I agree. Lose 2 out of 3 to Rockies and 2 out of 3 to the MYF's and we're a seller. That will make Breslow's job easier. Pick up some good pitching prospects for the future. Call the Phillies first.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 22, 2024 14:26:01 GMT -5
I agree. Lose 2 out of 3 to Rockies and 2 out of 3 to the MYF's and we're a seller. That will make Breslow's job easier. Pick up some good pitching prospects for the future. Call the Phillies first. yeah, if we lose 4 of 6 you have to take calls on guys like kenley, o'neill, anyone who's a f/a really (and yoshida, but he seems to have no trade value).
on the flipside, take 4 of 6 and i think you're atleast looking to buy, albeit modesty.
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Post by bosox1 on Jul 22, 2024 15:36:17 GMT -5
Do we think the FO values Yorke over Anthony? Possibly? I mean if Grissom struggles when he gets back--I know he's still early on--I'd imagine Yorke would get the call. Anthony is still young yet has an unclear future with the clogged outfield. Maybe Craig is planning something with Yorke and is more utilizing Anthony as trade bait. Idk, just a hunch.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 22, 2024 15:37:51 GMT -5
Duran CF, Refsnyder LF, Wong C, Devers 3B, O’Neill RF, Yoshida DH, Gonzalez 1B, Rafaela SS, Westbrook 2B
Rob lives
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 22, 2024 15:38:54 GMT -5
Duran, Ja CF L Refsnyder LF R Wong C R Devers 3B L O'Neill RF R Yoshida DH L Gonzalez, R 1B Rafaela SS R Westbrook 2B R
I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team??
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 22, 2024 15:40:49 GMT -5
Do we think the FO values Yorke over Anthony? Possibly? I mean if Grissom struggles when he gets back--I know he's still early on--I'd imagine Yorke would get the call. Anthony is still young yet has an unclear future with the clogged outfield. Maybe Craig is planning something with Yorke and is more utilizing Anthony as trade bait. Idk, just a hunch. I don’t see it. Yorke’s splits against LHP is concerning and you should be selling high on him especially with so many 2B options. Anthony is going nowhere unless it’s Skubal which also isn’t happening because the Orioles exist. Also, please try to keep deadline talk to the deadline thread — thanks.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 22, 2024 15:47:24 GMT -5
I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team?? Isn’t Valdez eligible to come back (after being sent down) this weekend? Only other guys on the 40-man are Bobby and a rehabbing Vaughn Grissom
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 22, 2024 15:53:28 GMT -5
Duran, Ja CF L Refsnyder LF R Wong C R Devers 3B L O'Neill RF R Yoshida DH L Gonzalez, R 1B Rafaela SS R Westbrook 2B R I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team?? on the 40 man the only other hitters in AAA are Dalbec, Heineman, Grissom, and Valdez.
Grissom is still rehabbing, Dalbec we've been through 5,000,000 times, Heineman isn't a good hitter and we don't need a third emergency catcher, and Valdez provides little defensive value, and we don't really need another left handed hitter when we're desperate for rhb.
yorke, meidroth, lugo, are all there, and of them yorke makes the most sense. lugo is a righty corner outfielder that doesn't make much sense for the roster with refsnyder already and a log jam in the outfield. meidroth would be great, but he's not rule 5 eligible so they probably don't bring him in. yorke i could see, but you'd have to get rid of somebody to bring him up, so that's why it's westbrook there.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2024 15:59:21 GMT -5
If anyone wants something meaningless to complain about the Red Sox may have no players on Fangraphs' Top 50 Trade Value Series. Duran, Houck, Rafaela and Roman Anthony all got honorable mentions for different reasons. Duran in particular feels like a bad omission but he and Houck both should be there.
Devers didn't get an HM and is playing well so I think he makes it, but he didn't last year so I'm not positive it's a lock, but I think he would've gotten an HM if not.
Doesn't matter though since the Red Sox won't be trading any of these guys.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2024 16:02:16 GMT -5
Do we think the FO values Yorke over Anthony? Possibly? I mean if Grissom struggles when he gets back--I know he's still early on--I'd imagine Yorke would get the call. Anthony is still young yet has an unclear future with the clogged outfield. Maybe Craig is planning something with Yorke and is more utilizing Anthony as trade bait. Idk, just a hunch. I'm not really sure what the argument is here. For this season I think if one of them were to be called up it's clearly Yorke given he's already hitting well in AAA and at a position where the team is weaker, but that doesn't mean they'd put more value on Yorke over Anthony long term (or why that comparison is being made here - the choice to call someone up would come down to Yorke/Lugo/Meidroth/Sogard if they were to do that).
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2024 16:05:23 GMT -5
I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team?? Isn’t Valdez eligible to come back (after being sent down) this weekend? Only other guys on the 40-man are Bobby and a rehabbing Vaughn Grissom After tonight the next starting pitchers they face go: R, R, L, R, L, R, R, R I think I'd prefer they bring Valdez back for game two of this series but I suspect they wait until the Mariners series.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 22, 2024 16:13:53 GMT -5
I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team?? Isn’t Valdez eligible to come back (after being sent down) this weekend? Only other guys on the 40-man are Bobby and a rehabbing Vaughn Grissom I guess what I’m trying to say here is that I prefer Westbrook’s 40 man spot is given to Sogard or maybe even Meidroth.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2024 16:25:48 GMT -5
It would be stupid to sell even if we're like 55-49 after the next two series, unless Devers goes down or something. Even then, we'd probably be ~2 GB in the Wild Card, KC and Minnesota are both mediocre, and we'd only need to pass one of them. Casas and Hendriks are looming too - just gotta make the playoffs and who knows what'll happen.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 22, 2024 16:41:47 GMT -5
Do we think the FO values Yorke over Anthony? Possibly? I mean if Grissom struggles when he gets back--I know he's still early on--I'd imagine Yorke would get the call. Anthony is still young yet has an unclear future with the clogged outfield. Maybe Craig is planning something with Yorke and is more utilizing Anthony as trade bait. Idk, just a hunch. I don’t see it. Yorke’s splits against LHP is concerning and you should be selling high on him especially with so many 2B options. Anthony is going nowhere unless it’s Skubal which also isn’t happening because the Orioles exist. Also, please try to keep deadline talk to the deadline thread — thanks. This. If Yorke's splits vs LHP were like his splits vs RHP, he'd likely be the platoon 2B in Boston already. Overall it is not a bad thing to be a RHH who excels vs RHP, but his struggles vs LHP does not fit well on the current roster.
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Post by cdj on Jul 22, 2024 16:43:48 GMT -5
Duran, Ja CF L Refsnyder LF R Wong C R Devers 3B L O'Neill RF R Yoshida DH L Gonzalez, R 1B Rafaela SS R Westbrook 2B R I am once again asking why is Westbrook still on this team?? Yeah let Meidroth cook at this point
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 22, 2024 16:52:46 GMT -5
It would be stupid to sell even if we're like 55-49 after the next two series, unless Devers goes down or something. Even then, we'd probably be ~2 GB in the Wild Card, KC and Minnesota are both mediocre, and we'd only need to pass one of them. Casas and Hendriks are looming too - just gotta make the playoffs and who knows what'll happen. I don’t think this affects how you should approach the deadline, but I personally don’t think we will see Casas until September.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 22, 2024 19:06:57 GMT -5
German Marquez - who was set to start tomorrow - is going to the IL with elbow inflammation… literally one start after rehabbing all the way back from Tommy John
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Post by entrylevelhitman on Jul 22, 2024 19:07:52 GMT -5
Looks like German Marquez to the IL, so lefty (!) Ty Blach is the likely starter for tomorrow's game.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2024 19:16:29 GMT -5
It would be stupid to sell even if we're like 55-49 after the next two series, unless Devers goes down or something. Even then, we'd probably be ~2 GB in the Wild Card, KC and Minnesota are both mediocre, and we'd only need to pass one of them. Casas and Hendriks are looming too - just gotta make the playoffs and who knows what'll happen. I disagree. The clock is starting to run and this team has literally done this song and dance the last couple of years. One of these last place finishes they were 10 games over at one point. I think this team isn't ready to invest just yet in this club and if they lose 4 of their next 6 and start drifting away I can't see them buying a James Paxton type or Justin Turner type and turning around their odds. They need another starter, maybe 2. They need a RHH, they need a 1B. This is also assuming Casas isn't coming back in the near future either. This is why I get annoyed when people proclaim April and May games don't matter. The Yankees built up a very nice nest egg and the Red Sox are teetering on the buy/sell line. If they do decide to sell, I'd like to give Yorke a look at 2B. But this conversation I think ends with a Red Sox sweep and we can go back to dreaming of this or that player coming here to help.
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