pd
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Post by pd on Aug 15, 2024 16:30:15 GMT -5
Eliminating the DH might be a simpler way to take strain off pitchers.
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Post by patford on Aug 15, 2024 16:37:52 GMT -5
100% in favor of this. I hate openers and hate bullpen games. Bury these two terrible ideas next to the corpse of infield shifts and never speak of them again. Maybe they could save themselves some time and add a rule that bans any trend that starts in Tampa. Why go half way? Just ban Tampa. Or better yet Florida altogether.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 15, 2024 16:48:33 GMT -5
As much as I'd love an organic return to the days of starters going deep into games, I don't think this is the way.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 15, 2024 17:04:53 GMT -5
So its the 3rd inning your SP gave up 3 runs you're down 3-2 bases loaded. Aaron Judge is up.......do you walk him and pull the SP? I dont get what this does? Doesnt speed up the game doesn't do anything but guarantee at the end of the season your SP will be hurt or cooked. Its too much
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 15, 2024 17:11:23 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of making it a rule that a start must go a certain number of innings unless an arbitrary stat was met.
I do like the idea of forcing starters to go deep in the game. The optimized game isn't nearly as fun to watch.
My favorite idea to date is tying the DH to a starter going deep in a game. Something like if your starter doesn't go 6 innings, the bullpen pitcher replaces the starter on the mound AND the DH at the plate. Force teams to use pinch hitters. And it doesn't matter if the pitcher sucked, he threw a lot of pitches, or if they wanted to play a matchup in the 5th... the DH is gone.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 15, 2024 17:23:22 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of making it a rule that a start must go a certain number of innings unless an arbitrary stat was met. I do like the idea of forcing starters to go deep in the game. The optimized game isn't nearly as fun to watch. My favorite idea to date is tying the DH to a starter going deep in a game. Something like if your starter doesn't go 6 innings, the bullpen pitcher replaces the starter on the mound AND the DH at the plate. Force teams to use pinch hitters. And it doesn't matter if the pitcher sucked, he threw a lot of pitches, or if they wanted to play a matchup in the 5th... the DH is gone. I like your thinking and offer a slight deviation: as a DH is hitting in place of the pitcher hitting, maybe when the pitcher comes out the DH also automatically comes out?
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 15, 2024 17:29:25 GMT -5
I've been thinking about that scenario too. What I like about letting the DH stay in if he makes it 6 innings is that it gives a little bit of an extra reward - getting the DH for the rest of the game.
Plus I don't want to create an environment where managers force pitchers to keep going in the 7th and 8th innings with 115 pitches because they know their DH is leading off the next inning. Capping it at 6 reduces that moral hazard.
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Post by keninten on Aug 15, 2024 17:50:56 GMT -5
I didn`t like pitchers hitting because of injury, especially baserunning. They are doing something they don`t normally do. To have them hit at all now is risking injury.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 15, 2024 17:53:54 GMT -5
I didn`t like pitchers hitting because of injury, especially baserunning. They are doing something they don`t normally do. To have them hit at all now is risking injury. Agreed. I'm not suggesting they hit, only that the DH leaves with the SP. Presumably a PH would take subsequent pitcher plate appearances.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 15, 2024 18:37:05 GMT -5
My favorite idea to date is tying the DH to a starter going deep in a game. Something like if your starter doesn't go 6 innings, the bullpen pitcher replaces the starter on the mound AND the DH at the plate. Force teams to use pinch hitters. And it doesn't matter if the pitcher sucked, he threw a lot of pitches, or if they wanted to play a matchup in the 5th... the DH is gone. I appreciate he is only one player, but I don’t see a rule that results in Ohtani being forced to be pulled from a game by MLB. I appreciate this might basically force the Dodgers to have all starters go 6, but I don’t see MLB putting the Dodgers in that position.
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Post by entrylevelhitman on Aug 15, 2024 18:58:39 GMT -5
My opinion (take that for what it's worth) is that nothing will change unless/until it becomes financially disadvantageous to continue this way. That's it. That's the only motivation. I have no special insight into how contracts are insured at the moment, but I feel like it'll take something like "long-term pitcher contracts aren't insured after the third year" or "no pitcher contract gets insured" or something like that. It's going to be some actuarial table from MetLife that changes baseball, not some enterprising front office that magically starts thinking of its pitchers as "people" instead of "controllable assets." But right now young men will throw their arms off for the chance to be a big leaguer, and if that's the case, and the John Henrys of the league can pay $742k for the honor, then nothing will change. I feel like we've discovered the limits of what the human body is capable of doing without breaking, and being a big league pitcher is on the wrong side of that line. The optimized game isn't nearly as fun to watch. This is about where I am, as much as it pains me to say it. I love baseball, I've watched it for almost 60 years, I love it, I will never not watch it... although I do feel like "throw as hard as you can at the bluest part of the scouting report heatmap" makes for incredibly boring baseball. The league-average batting average is something like .238 right now, and that kind of sucks. I feel like the game is, more or less by its current ruleset, solved. Teams basically value the same types of players the same way. The only way to play is to throw hard, shift your fielders where the hitter is most likely to hit the ball, and execute some Excel wonk's idea of how to squeeze an extra .04% success rate from a run expectancy table. Baseball isn't the only sport with that problem. I find the NBA unwatchable since it's nothing but three pointers and no defense (at least to my eye). I love that my youngest son is into baseball and basketball, and when I watch his games, he can drive a ball right up the middle and there's no infielder waiting for the ball right behind second. Or the basketball team can run an actual play for a layup. I don't know. I've had a few beers and I'm feeling crotchetty.
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