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8/21 Gameday Thread: Can Fitts Shove His Way To Boston?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 21, 2024 20:34:33 GMT -5
Hot take - Campbell debuts first of the 4 Don't ask me to substantiate, I'm operating on pure vibes I don't think it is a stretch. If he keeps raking, this front office absolutely loves position flex. The fact he is a righty stick doesn't hurt his case either. The being a righty thing is a big part of it, plus if they need to fill second base specifically I don’t think they’d throw Mayer or Story + Mayer to short there.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 21, 2024 20:36:10 GMT -5
Greenville got no hit. Slow start for the debuting college bats
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Post by nonothing on Aug 21, 2024 21:15:20 GMT -5
I don't think it is a stretch. If he keeps raking, this front office absolutely loves position flex. The fact he is a righty stick doesn't hurt his case either. The being a righty thing is a big part of it, plus if they need to fill second base specifically I don’t think they’d throw Mayer or Story + Mayer to short there. I could see it, but it would be a very tought decision to roster him all winter. You would have to feel it was the difference not just in making the playoffs, but to winning in the playoffs. Every roster spot counts a lot in the offseason when the IL60 dumps everyone back into counting. Not impossible to see a debut, but still I think unlikely for any of the big 4 because none need to be protected this offseason.
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Post by beantown on Aug 21, 2024 21:18:38 GMT -5
That second Anthony single was an absolute piss missile
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Post by mobaz on Aug 21, 2024 21:41:12 GMT -5
Campbell is also the oldest of the non catchers.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 21, 2024 21:43:37 GMT -5
The being a righty thing is a big part of it, plus if they need to fill second base specifically I don’t think they’d throw Mayer or Story + Mayer to short there. I could see it, but it would be a very tought decision to roster him all winter. You would have to feel it was the difference not just in making the playoffs, but to winning in the playoffs. Every roster spot counts a lot in the offseason when the IL60 dumps everyone back into counting. Not impossible to see a debut, but still I think unlikely for any of the big 4 because none need to be protected this offseason. I never said it’d be this year, just that it’d be first
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Post by bishop on Aug 21, 2024 22:58:12 GMT -5
That second Anthony single was an absolute piss missile Head on a swivel on the basepaths with Roman up, he nearly killed Eddy Alvarez! "The big 3" end their Portland tenure 2nd, 3rd & 5th in OPS behind a 25 year old first baseman... because Kristian Campbell and his OPS .200 higher doesn't qualify. (Nor did Matthew Lugo who was just as hot.) I know Portland has had some great collections of talent and they weren't exactly there together for the whole season but that's gotta be in the top 3 with 2005 (Lester, Papelbon, Pedroia, Hanley Ramirez) and maybe the 1995 Marlins team.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 6:33:47 GMT -5
Hot take - Campbell debuts first of the 4 Don't ask me to substantiate, I'm operating on pure vibes Very well could be Campbell but I'll throw my .02 cents in, I think Anthony debuts first. Going to throw it out that he will be on the opening day roster, I think they move Abreu this offseason and go with Roman as the every day RFer. Same as you I'm just going off a vibe I'm getting of Anthony so far just not batting an eye at the move to AAA.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2024 7:46:28 GMT -5
Hot take - Campbell debuts first of the 4 Don't ask me to substantiate, I'm operating on pure vibes Very well could be Campbell but I'll throw my .02 cents in, I think Anthony debuts first. Going to throw it out that he will be on the opening day roster, I think they move Abreu this offseason and go with Roman as the every day RFer. Same as you I'm just going off a vibe I'm getting of Anthony so far just not batting an eye at the move to AAA. I'll guess Mayer debuts first, maybe some point in June an injury will get him up to Boston. I'm guessing the Sox hang on to Abreu this offseason and they go a bit slower with Anthony because he is younger, but just a guess.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 7:58:30 GMT -5
Very well could be Campbell but I'll throw my .02 cents in, I think Anthony debuts first. Going to throw it out that he will be on the opening day roster, I think they move Abreu this offseason and go with Roman as the every day RFer. Same as you I'm just going off a vibe I'm getting of Anthony so far just not batting an eye at the move to AAA. I'll guess Mayer debuts first, maybe some point in June an injury will get him up to Boston. I'm guessing the Sox hang on to Abreu this offseason and they go a bit slower with Anthony because he is younger, but just a guess. It's probably just wishful thinking on my end but after the Rafaela and the Bello extensions it seems to me that extensions to young pre-arb guys to buy out some FA years is going to be part of the strategy going forward. For some reason I'm thinking that Anthony might bite on one more so than Mayer or Teel being that he was a 2nd rounder, even though they did basically give him late first rounder money. Teel/Mayer got larger bonuses and thus might be less interested in an extension at this time. So my completely uninformed layman's prediction is that Anthony signs an extension similar to Jackson Chourio's last year and breaks camp. I'm horrible at these type of things so I'm probably way off and it is just wishful thinking but who knows.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2024 8:04:48 GMT -5
As I posted in the Campbell thread, Refsnyder is considering retiring after the season to spend more time with his family. If that happens, I should think Campbell has the edge here because he bats from the right side.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2024 8:37:59 GMT -5
I'll guess Mayer debuts first, maybe some point in June an injury will get him up to Boston. I'm guessing the Sox hang on to Abreu this offseason and they go a bit slower with Anthony because he is younger, but just a guess. It's probably just wishful thinking on my end but after the Rafaela and the Bello extensions it seems to me that extensions to young pre-arb guys to buy out some FA years is going to be part of the strategy going forward. For some reason I'm thinking that Anthony might bite on one more so than Mayer or Teel being that he was a 2nd rounder, even though they did basically give him late first rounder money. Teel/Mayer got larger bonuses and thus might be less interested in an extension at this time. So my completely uninformed layman's prediction is that Anthony signs an extension similar to Jackson Chourio's last year and breaks camp. I'm horrible at these type of things so I'm probably way off and it is just wishful thinking but who knows. Hope you're right. I fear he's more likely to be traded than extended this offseason but I hope you're right. This sounds sacrilegious and it's not an apt comparison but when I think of Anthony I think of the closest thing the Sox have had to Tony Conigliaro in along time. Conigliaro was succeeding in the majors at 19 and leading the league in HRs at 20. Now Anthony wont match that, but he is so young and could be impactful in the majors at age 21. Dont expect him to out homer Aaron Judge, though, lol. My hope is that he is in RF at some point next season and eventually as Duran nears the end of his pre-free agent service time, he shifts to LF to replace Duran and opens up RF for Montgomery who should be pushing his way toward Boston by then as a Duran/Rafaela/Anthony outfield alignment would transition to an alignment of Anthony/Rafaela/Montgomery.
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Post by nonothing on Aug 22, 2024 8:46:47 GMT -5
As I posted in the Campbell thread, Refsnyder is considering retiring after the season to spend more time with his family. If that happens, I should think Campbell has the edge here because he bats from the right side. I think Campbell's edge is even more so positional flexibility and that he hits no matter where he plays. RHH helps too of course. He is the only one of the 3 where bringing the guys up comes with an ability to rotate him through positions as needed, serve as DH or pitch hit late. So I think it's a combo with him. I am not sure they will select him ahead of the others, but there may be more paths to selection for him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 9:00:55 GMT -5
It's probably just wishful thinking on my end but after the Rafaela and the Bello extensions it seems to me that extensions to young pre-arb guys to buy out some FA years is going to be part of the strategy going forward. For some reason I'm thinking that Anthony might bite on one more so than Mayer or Teel being that he was a 2nd rounder, even though they did basically give him late first rounder money. Teel/Mayer got larger bonuses and thus might be less interested in an extension at this time. So my completely uninformed layman's prediction is that Anthony signs an extension similar to Jackson Chourio's last year and breaks camp. I'm horrible at these type of things so I'm probably way off and it is just wishful thinking but who knows. Hope you're right. I fear he's more likely to be traded than extended this offseason but I hope you're right.This sounds sacrilegious and it's not an apt comparison but when I think of Anthony I think of the closest thing the Sox have had to Tony Conigliaro in along time. Conigliaro was succeeding in the majors at 19 and leading the league in HRs at 20. Now Anthony wont match that, but he is so young and could be impactful in the majors at age 21. Dont expect him to out homer Aaron Judge, though, lol. My hope is that he is in RF at some point next season and eventually as Duran nears the end of his pre-free agent service time, he shifts to LF to replace Duran and opens up RF for Montgomery who should be pushing his way toward Boston by then as a Duran/Rafaela/Anthony outfield alignment would transition to an alignment of Anthony/Rafaela/Montgomery. We are both of the same mindset when it comes to the blue chip prospects, if they trade any of them I would be pretty pissed. As we've both stated in other posts, just spend the money and keep all of the blue chippers. I am also fearful that yes they are going to decide to bite the bullet and deal off one of them for pitching help even though I think it would be a giant mistake.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2024 10:00:01 GMT -5
Hope you're right. I fear he's more likely to be traded than extended this offseason but I hope you're right.This sounds sacrilegious and it's not an apt comparison but when I think of Anthony I think of the closest thing the Sox have had to Tony Conigliaro in along time. Conigliaro was succeeding in the majors at 19 and leading the league in HRs at 20. Now Anthony wont match that, but he is so young and could be impactful in the majors at age 21. Dont expect him to out homer Aaron Judge, though, lol. My hope is that he is in RF at some point next season and eventually as Duran nears the end of his pre-free agent service time, he shifts to LF to replace Duran and opens up RF for Montgomery who should be pushing his way toward Boston by then as a Duran/Rafaela/Anthony outfield alignment would transition to an alignment of Anthony/Rafaela/Montgomery. We are both of the same mindset when it comes to the blue chip prospects, if they trade any of them I would be pretty pissed. As we've both stated in other posts, just spend the money and keep all of the blue chippers. I am also fearful that yes they are going to decide to bite the bullet and deal off one of them for pitching help even though I think it would be a giant mistake. Yeah, I'm very excited about this crop of prospects they have coming up. I've been a fan a long time, but I didnt see the 60s or 70s core come up. But that 80s core was good. I remember the excitement of Greenwell, Burks, Benzinget, Horn, and Brady Anderson even though surprisingly I was ok with them dealing him and that promising Schilling guy for Mike Boddicker, whom I liked, and of course they had Bagwell, Vaughn, and Valentin on the way. Then last decade they had Bogaerts, Betts, JBJ, Benintendi, Devers, and Moncada on the way and that was an extremely impressive group. Dont know where this group will rate, but it could be up there. The chilled out outlook would be that they get an all star, and perhaps 3 solid regulars, but the ceiling is higher for sure. I just have good feelings about those 4 and although I don't know where Grissom quite fits, but I believe there is a solid regular there, too. Arias is looking like a bust out candidate and drafting Montgomery was a coup. It's the lack of pitching that is the concern although its obvious they're trying to address it, but then again it's not like they had it coming up last decade either and they still put together great teams. Really they havent had a pitching pipeline since the mid 70s to mid 80s when over that decade they developed Hurst, Tudor, Ojeda, Boyd, and Clemens, and Schilling was also in that system. I think Aaron Sele was it for awhile in the 90s. So the pitching development issues are nothing new or anything that cant be overcome.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 10:08:48 GMT -5
We are both of the same mindset when it comes to the blue chip prospects, if they trade any of them I would be pretty pissed. As we've both stated in other posts, just spend the money and keep all of the blue chippers. I am also fearful that yes they are going to decide to bite the bullet and deal off one of them for pitching help even though I think it would be a giant mistake. Yeah, I'm very excited about this crop of prospects they have coming up. I've been a fan a long time, but I didnt see the 60s or 70s core come up. But that 80s core was good. I remember the excitement of Greenwell, Burks, Benzinget, Horn, and Brady Anderson even though surprisingly I was ok with them dealing him and that promising Schilling guy for Mike Boddicker, whom I liked, and of course they had Bagwell, Vaughn, and Valentin on the way. Then last decade they had Bogaerts, Betts, JBJ, Benintendi, Devers, and Moncada on the way and that was an extremely impressive group. Dont know where this group will rate, but it could be up there. The chilled out outlook would be that they get an all star, and perhaps 3 solid regulars, but the ceiling is higher for sure. I just have good feelings about those 4 and although I don't know where Grissom quite fits, but I believe there is a solid regular there, too. Arias is looking like a bust out candidate and drafting Montgomery was a coup. It's the lack of pitching that is the concern although its obvious they're trying to address it, but then again it's not like they had it coming up last decade either and they still put together great teams. Really they havent had a pitching pipeline since the mid 70s to mid 80s when over that decade they developed Hurst, Tudor, Ojeda, Boyd, and Clemens, and Schilling was also in that system. I think Aaron Sele was it for awhile in the 90s. So the pitching development issues are nothing new or anything that cant be overcome. TINSTAAPP and all that but yes the farm unfortunately does slant heavy hitter right now, especially after the injury to Perales. That being said Fitts, Priester now Dobbins up in AAA knocking on that door Sandlin looking like a guy as well. They already have Houck, Bello, Crawford controlled so really I'm not too worried in regards to pitching. Spend the dough add a big time pitcher and health permitting they already have 4/5 of a rotation locked up for the next 3-4 seasons with some intriguing enough arms now in the upper minors where hopefully one of them breaks out for them.
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