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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 21:50:54 GMT -5
Big Papi going from clutchest hitter in history to ace negotiator is the kind of story I’m here for. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 28, 2024 22:03:39 GMT -5
I have already written the top ten david ortiz moments with Closing the Juan Soto deal in between the 2004 ALCS G5 walkoff and the 2003 ALDS go ahead double off Keith Foulke (v underrated)
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Post by asm18 on Nov 28, 2024 22:11:40 GMT -5
A collection of Yankees fan sentiment on Twitter:
-“The Red Sox/Soto "buzz" is such a transparent ploy to get the Yankees' offer up to the Mets' level”
-“The Red Sox wouldn't pay Mookie Betts 300 million but all of the sudden they decided to throw 600 million at Soto?”
-“‘But..but.. but it’s different this time!’ No it’s not, the team has been cheap and operating like a small market team these last five years.”
-“Not sure I’ve ever seen an entire fanbase make themselves look like bigger losers thi a Red Sox fans during Juan Soto’s free agency. It’s completely embarrassing”
I feel like they should be more concerned that their biggest rival has a realistic chance of signing Soto away from them but maybe that’s just me… Like regardless of your confidence level of the Sox actually getting Soto, it seems we are evidently at the point where it’s not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy here
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Post by cdj on Nov 28, 2024 22:13:10 GMT -5
A collection of Yankees fan sentiment on Twitter: -“The Red Sox/Soto "buzz" is such a transparent ploy to get the Yankees' offer up to the Mets' level” -“The Red Sox wouldn't pay Mookie Betts 300 million but all of the sudden they decided to throw 600 million at Soto?” -“‘But..but.. but it’s different this time!’ No it’s not, the team has been cheap and operating like a small market team these last five years.” -“Not sure I’ve ever seen an entire fanbase make themselves look like bigger losers thi a Red Sox fans during Juan Soto’s free agency. It’s completely embarrassing” I feel like they should be more concerned that their biggest rival has a realistic chance of signing Soto away from them but maybe that’s just me… Like regardless of your confidence level of the Sox actually getting Soto, it seems we are evidently at the point where it’s not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy here I want the Sox to offer him a blank check specifically because it would break Yankees fans. Like cool if we start winning again that would be nice but im in it for Yankees fan pain |
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Nov 28, 2024 22:17:44 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 28, 2024 22:17:44 GMT -5
A collection of Yankees fan sentiment on Twitter: -“The Red Sox/Soto "buzz" is such a transparent ploy to get the Yankees' offer up to the Mets' level” -“The Red Sox wouldn't pay Mookie Betts 300 million but all of the sudden they decided to throw 600 million at Soto?” -“‘But..but.. but it’s different this time!’ No it’s not, the team has been cheap and operating like a small market team these last five years.” -“Not sure I’ve ever seen an entire fanbase make themselves look like bigger losers thi a Red Sox fans during Juan Soto’s free agency. It’s completely embarrassing” I feel like they should be more concerned that their biggest rival has a realistic chance of signing Soto away from them but maybe that’s just me… Like regardless of your confidence level of the Sox actually getting Soto, it seems we are evidently at the point where it’s not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy here I want the Sox to offer him a blank check specifically because it would break Yankees fans. Like cool if we start winning again that would be nice but im in it for Yankees fan pain Wouldn't it be so sweet to take him from the Yankees? Can't put a price on that. |
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 28, 2024 22:19:54 GMT -5
A collection of Yankees fan sentiment on Twitter: -“The Red Sox/Soto "buzz" is such a transparent ploy to get the Yankees' offer up to the Mets' level” -“The Red Sox wouldn't pay Mookie Betts 300 million but all of the sudden they decided to throw 600 million at Soto?” -“‘But..but.. but it’s different this time!’ No it’s not, the team has been cheap and operating like a small market team these last five years.” -“Not sure I’ve ever seen an entire fanbase make themselves look like bigger losers thi a Red Sox fans during Juan Soto’s free agency. It’s completely embarrassing” I feel like they should be more concerned that their biggest rival has a realistic chance of signing Soto away from them but maybe that’s just me… Like regardless of your confidence level of the Sox actually getting Soto, it seems we are evidently at the point where it’s not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy here They sound like a lot of Sox fans tbh |
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Post by cdj on Nov 28, 2024 23:00:58 GMT -5
A collection of Yankees fan sentiment on Twitter: -“The Red Sox/Soto "buzz" is such a transparent ploy to get the Yankees' offer up to the Mets' level” -“The Red Sox wouldn't pay Mookie Betts 300 million but all of the sudden they decided to throw 600 million at Soto?” -“‘But..but.. but it’s different this time!’ No it’s not, the team has been cheap and operating like a small market team these last five years.” -“Not sure I’ve ever seen an entire fanbase make themselves look like bigger losers thi a Red Sox fans during Juan Soto’s free agency. It’s completely embarrassing” I feel like they should be more concerned that their biggest rival has a realistic chance of signing Soto away from them but maybe that’s just me… Like regardless of your confidence level of the Sox actually getting Soto, it seems we are evidently at the point where it’s not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy here They sound like a lot of Sox fans tbh Yeah but we don’t say that stuff with marinara stains on our unbuttoned jerseys with a wifebeater underneath and a fake gold chain |
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 23:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 23:16:39 GMT -5
To the Time Machine!
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 23:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by foreverred9 on Nov 28, 2024 23:36:48 GMT -5
Lot of confidence required to think your estimate is just as likely to be accurate as both the professionals and the models (both of which btw have been pretty decent even on the mega deals in recent years, Xander excepted) It's not really confidence. More of a lack of confidence in "projections" which are constantly wrong. Funny but true story. The last time the Sox were actually in a playoff race in August I was sitting with my son treating him to pizza and I went over the rest of the schedule and we "predicted" how the rest of the season would play out, series by series. I pegged them at 90 wins. My 8 year old son tallied them up for 92 wins, a record of 92-70. And the 2021 Red Sox finished 92-70. My 8 year "projected" their finish with 100% accuracy even though he barely even pays attention to the Red Sox, lol. Assuming the model is going to correctly predict the number exactly isn't how the models should be interpreted, they're meant to give a reasonable expectation where there's a 50/50 chance the true number is above or below. When a projection says something like 92 wins, 92 is the midpoint of the range. The percent of simulations that actually projected 92 wins could very well be under 50%. So when a team comes in at 90 wins or 94 wins, that doesn't mean the projection was wrong. With that said, I think that it's healthy to constantly be skeptical about the models. As the saying goes, "all models are wrong, but some are useful". |
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 23:37:39 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Devers is the source for these reporters in the DR. Given Gomez and other DR. based reporters were the ones who first broke the Devers extension news (and then every local reporter immediately denied it before actually saying my bad you were right.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 28, 2024 23:56:19 GMT -5
Big Papi going from clutchest hitter in history to ace negotiator is the kind of story I’m here for. Love watching clips of those beard-os -- it's a serious debate in my head if they're my favorite Sox team. Watching that clip, though, what a lousy call by whoever that was (Buck?). That team was dead in the water with about 100 Ks in each of the first two games... until that frozen rope into the bullpen. Has there ever been a lower launch-angle into that bullpen? O'Brien's radio call was pretty good but I'll go to my grave wishing that Joe Castig had the mike that inning. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 29, 2024 0:09:22 GMT -5
Big Papi going from clutchest hitter in history to ace negotiator is the kind of story I’m here for. If he seals the deal, I'll have to add a 34 jersey to my wardrobe and make it my Sunday-going-to-a-meeting jersey. The only remaining question at this point is what Whitlock's price is to give up his #22... |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 29, 2024 0:14:51 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Devers is the source for these reporters in the DR. Given Gomez and other DR. based reporters were the ones who first broke the Devers extension news (and then every local reporter immediately denied it before actually saying my bad you were right. Gomez has a connection to Soto and Devers. Pepen has a connection to Devers and they claimed to be using different sources when they earlier had some report that was similar. Ortiz is also talking to everyone.
If Soto, Devers and Ortiz are all talking to each other and then all blabbing to their media friends it sure sounds like a celebratory atmosphere.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2024 0:17:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the major debate is about. At this point theres not much reason not to believe Hector Gomez. The Red Sox likely made a big offer.
Doesnt mean hes going to accept it and Gomez certainly didnt indicate that Soto would or wouldn't.
It sounds like ridiculous deniability from Yankees fans making them sound silly, and theres a premature celebratory tone of confidence from Sox fans that the Sox are,poised to sign Soto, which I think is incorrect, too.
I think this is just another step along the way in which we'll hear about the Yankees increasing their offer and the Mets waiting to swoop in the way an ebay bidder does at the final second of an auction with a blow away bid/offer.
This thing will go on for another week or so with the only real questions in my mind being will the Sox up the offer if they need to, and if they do would Soto choose to accept it?
I mean the Sox are serious about this but they need to land the player.
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Post by patford on Nov 29, 2024 0:17:58 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Devers is the source for these reporters in the DR. Given Gomez and other DR. based reporters were the ones who first broke the Devers extension news (and then every local reporter immediately denied it before actually saying my bad you were right. Gomez has a connection to Soto and Devers. Pepen has a connection to Devers and they claimed to be using different sources when they earlier had some report that was similar. Ortiz is also talking to everyone.
If Soto, Devers and Ortiz are all talking to each other and then all blabbing to their media friends it sure sounds like a celebratory atmosphere.
How great would it be if the Sox sign Soto and immediately there's an interview with Ortiz and Soto where Ortiz says, "DAAAAA....Jenkees-lose." |
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Post by uknome on Nov 29, 2024 0:37:33 GMT -5
I want the Sox to offer him a blank check specifically because it would break Yankees fans. Like cool if we start winning again that would be nice but im in it for Yankees fan pain Wouldn't it be so sweet to take him from the Yankees? Can't put a price on that. Hell, let the Yankees tie up 700mil for Soto. If the rumors are correct about Steinbrenner not wanting to offer Soto a blank check to keep him, then they're probably going to feel the financial strain if they do pony up the money to be able to keep him. With all the big contracts they've already got on their payroll for the next several years, it's got to make them feel very squeamish about signing any more big contracts this off-season. Because they're so far into the highest penalty tier with their payroll, they're going to be paying almost double for any future free agent signings. The Yankees came nowhere near beating the Dodgers in the World Series with Soto. Re-signing him just keeps them at status quo, but really limits they're financial flexibility for a few years. Not signing Soto gives the Sox financial clout so they could easily afford to pay for a couple of front of the rotation starters, and get someone like Scott to anchor the bullpen this winter. That should really help close the gap between them and the Yankees next year, and even if they spent heavy on pitching this winter, they would still have much more future financial flexibility than the Yankees. Then trade for Crochet to really make the Yankees squirm. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2024 1:19:13 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be so sweet to take him from the Yankees? Can't put a price on that. Hell, let the Yankees tie up 700mil for Soto. If the rumors are correct about Steinbrenner not wanting to offer Soto a blank check to keep him, then they're probably going to feel the financial strain if they do pony up the money to be able to keep him. With all the big contracts they've already got on their payroll for the next several years, it's got to make them feel very squeamish about signing any more big contracts this off-season. Because they're so far into the highest penalty tier with their payroll, they're going to be paying almost double for any future free agent signings. The Yankees came nowhere near beating the Dodgers in the World Series with Soto. Re-signing him just keeps them at status quo, but really limits they're financial flexibility for a few years. Not signing Soto gives the Sox financial clout so they could easily afford to pay for a couple of front of the rotation starters, and get someone like Scott to anchor the bullpen this winter. That should really help close the gap between them and the Yankees next year, and even if they spent heavy on pitching this winter, they would still have much more future financial flexibility than the Yankees. Then trade for Crochet to really make the Yankees squirm. Hard disagree here. The Red Sox trading Abreu and Mayer or whatever overpay in talent to acquire Crochet and the Yankees retaining Soto is not going to make the Yankees squirm. Soto will be starting his age 26 season and I suspect that he has at least another 400 HRs in his career ahead of him. And it's not like that's all he does. He gets on base 40% of the time, too, and is only now really beginning to hit his prime. Crochet with his history of issues is not a match for Soto impact-wise. Take Soto away from the Yankees lineup and their lineup becomes Judge, hope Stanton gets hot and a bunch of guys. Soto is a key reason why the Yankees got to the World Series, which was closer than the 4-1 loss appeared. The Yankees choked away 2 games they should have won. They were 1 out away from winning Game 1 and blew a 5-0 lead with their little league 5th inning defense in Game 5. Yeah, the Yankees are looking at luxury tax issues, but its not like they're a poor franchise struggling to make ends meet. The question becomes how much if a profit is Hal willing to sacrifice to improve the team. Soto on the Red Sox would be a huge impact. You are talking about a .900 OPS bat that can anchor the lineup for a decade. The only guy that scares pitchers from other teams in the lineup is Devers and Devers has been known to chase. Soto is a guy pitchers fear. The ironic thing is that I would think the signing of Soto would actually make a Crochet trade more likely. The Sox are looking for 2 front line starters. Maybe they sign Fried, but they would need a guy who's a lot cheaper and that would fit Crochet. If the Sox lose out on Fried they're likely going to blow 25 million per year on Teoscar Hernandez or Willie Adames or even more money on Alex Bregman. They might sign Fried either way, but maybe they chase Burnes, too. But signing Soto makes obtaining Crochet more likely in my opinion. |
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