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Post by pedroelgrande on May 28, 2013 21:41:47 GMT -5
Didn't Papelbon say that Sox fans didn't know about the game of Baseball and basically said that they were stupid or something if I remember correctly. If so I don't really care if they boo him or not, he probably doesn't care either. Why didn't he say that while he was in Boston, he certainly plenty of microphones in his face.
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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2013 22:01:58 GMT -5
And have you been to a Sox game lately? Red Sox fans are horrendous these days. As opposed to when and as opposed to what other fans? Star athletes always got booed when they return. Do you realize that fans booed and called Carlton Fisk a traitor when he left the Red Sox in the early 1980s (it was before my time, but I still know what happened). In the 1990s (this I remember) fans booed Roger Clemens and Mo Vaughn. If anything, it was worse before the world series wins.
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Post by James Dunne on May 28, 2013 22:04:34 GMT -5
You know, Gomes isn't playing well, but to criticize him for not hitting a guy with a 2.87 ERA going back to the start of 2008 seems a tad harsh. Cliff Lee is really good.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 28, 2013 22:10:18 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is bashing Gomes for today's performance alone, more the fact that he someone managed to get into the 2 hole while on a season long cold streak against a pitcher he's had 0 success at. That should obviously be a knock on Farrell in addition to knocks on Gomes for just being terrible
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Post by widewordofsport on May 28, 2013 22:57:52 GMT -5
Didn't Papelbon say that Sox fans didn't know about the game of Baseball and basically said that they were stupid or something if I remember correctly. If so I don't really care if they boo him or not, he probably doesn't care either. Why didn't he say that while he was in Boston, he certainly plenty of microphones in his face. Nothing personal against you, but it annoys me when Red Sox fans bring that stuff up. It's typical media/ESPN types making a story, removing as much context as possible. It's why I basically have stopped looking at ESPN/blogs etc. And why my patronage here has picked up in the past year. It was a stupid comment, but it was a NL vs. AL comment, because of the DH. I don't think it's true, and it's a lazy stereotype about NL fans knowing the game better, but had very little to do with the specific fanbases, IMO.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 28, 2013 23:03:40 GMT -5
I never would have booed Mo, but booing Clemens was pretty fair game.
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Post by mattpicard on May 29, 2013 4:04:41 GMT -5
I think the Gomes-bashing is a little overdone. Yes, he came into the day with a .175 batting average that dropped even lower after tonight. That's pretty ugly and all, but he also entered the day with a .333 OBP, 8 points higher than Ellsbury's overall and 6 points higher than Nava's against left handers, the latter of whom would seem to be the replacement for Gomes in the 2 hole against south paws with Victorino out. Gomes is bound to heat up with the hits and slugging, and even modest improvement would seem to justify his presence at the top of the lineup in Shane's absence, although in the meantime, I'm sure many fans would relax their claims for his head if he simply swapped places with Nava.
I like Gomes as a person and for the chemistry and all, but I'm also a true believer in his ability to contribute as a part time player. His 17.1% BB rate this season is remarkably impressive, even though there will certainly be some regression there. Interestingly, he's striking out less than ever (21.4% K rate this season versus a 26.9% career average) leaving him with an 0.80 BB/K (0.38 career). Down 90 points of BABIP off his career norm this year, and only experiencing a marginal decrease in LD% (and GB% too, actually; damn those infield pop-ups though), I think we'll start witnessing some more success in Jonny's future with the Sox.
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Post by amfox1 on May 29, 2013 7:30:08 GMT -5
JBJ called up, Wilson sent to Pawtucket.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 29, 2013 7:34:46 GMT -5
Encouraging start by Ryan Dempster. Was worried about an injury issue after the last couple of starts where he had trouble with command. Love Cliff Lee. But, not for those dollars and prospects.If a salary dump where they get Doubront and Britton fine. If a trade where they get; Ranaudo, Cecchini and Coyle. No.
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Post by raftsox on May 29, 2013 8:59:12 GMT -5
The Phils don't need to dump salary; they need to get more talented. They won't trade Lee unless they're getting something back.
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Post by James Dunne on May 29, 2013 9:16:41 GMT -5
The Phils don't need to dump salary; they need to get more talented. They won't trade Lee unless they're getting something back. They have $103.5M tied up in six players in '14, and $85.5M in four players in '15. They really lack any payroll flexibility at all. Halladay's contract extension won't vest, which would've cost them an additional $20M in '14, so that gives them a little bit more breathing room, but if they become sellers they may just try to get out of Lee's contract for middling prospects. Howard's contract is the albatross though. It's kind of sad watching him play, considering the player he was five years ago. I agree with your general point about them needing to get more talented, though. They could pretty easily replace some of the bad major league veterans on their roster (Delmon Young!) and field a more competitive team. Ruben Amaro has done a rather awful job as their GM. If I were ownership, I wouldn't want him to be the guy making the Cliff Lee decision.
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Post by bluechip on May 29, 2013 9:19:20 GMT -5
The Phils don't need to dump salary; they need to get more talented. They won't trade Lee unless they're getting something back. They might trade Lee if they could also dump Howard and his absolutely terrible contract. They could then better redistribute that money. Personally I want no part of Ryan Howard.
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Post by godot on May 29, 2013 11:39:27 GMT -5
Egad, Dustin is unreal. Apparently he has been playing with a torn ACL on his thumb, according to a Boston Herald report. It has to have an effect, like hitting more to right and less power to left, yes? Still he is hitting 335, gets on base at an amazing clip, and has been outstanding in the field. No doubt. He is one of a kind.
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Post by Guidas on May 29, 2013 14:01:54 GMT -5
They bring up Bradley yet don't start him tonight. Interesting.
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Post by marrcus on May 29, 2013 14:24:04 GMT -5
ike hitting more to right and less power to left, yes? --------------------------------------------- Broadcasters had been saying it was because everybody was pitching him down and outside. I wasn't buying that. I had the feeling something wasn't right.
I wonder how long some a DL stay would be after a surgery? There's a long way to go with his thumb messed up
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