jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jun 6, 2013 10:12:53 GMT -5
These Dominic Smith rumors... One of the benefits of drafting a first baseman is he's unlikely to have to move off the position unless he's an absolute block of wood. . Good argument. Can also be made for marrying a really heavy person, who will never lose his her figure.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2013 10:48:18 GMT -5
From SI, here is a historical summary of the #7 pick from the last 20 drafts. This is the year to be bold and go for the highest ceiling player available. Pick: No. 7 MLB: 17 5/10 years: 16/11 All-Stars: 4 players, 9 selections Total bWAR: 166.3 (7.9) Best: Prince Fielder, Clayton Kershaw, Troy Tulowitzki This has been a particularly fruitful pick starting with the Brewers' selection of Prince Fielder in 2002. Fielder was followed by Nick Markakis, Homer Bailey, Tulowitzki, Cy Young award winner Kershaw, a dud in Matt LaPorta, Yonder Alonso, Mike Minor and Matt Harvey. None of those players has reached 30 yet, which means this could prove to be one of the best draft positions in the entire draft in the first two decades of this century. Read More: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130605/draft-pick-by-pick-breakdown/#ixzz2VRRI5IDwYah, and yet at the time almost everyone was lusting for La Porta, including Theo Epstein. I think he tried to trade for him a few times and early on was deemed an untouchable. Sometimes the pretty girl at the junior prom ain't all that pretty a few years later. That's why MLB created free agents (i.e. Stiffler's Mom).
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 10:58:30 GMT -5
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 11:05:18 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo GMs and agents think Luhnow will wait until at least 4 to decide Appel, Gray or Moran
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Post by taftreign on Jun 6, 2013 11:16:11 GMT -5
I'm settled, my #1 target is Fraizer. I do think the best case scenario is Stewart and Fraizer are available. If they both I would trust who ever the Sox pick as the better prospect. Shipley is interesting to me, a guy who could touch 97-98, has one of the best change ups in the draft, and has only pitched for 1 year. I wouldn't mind him at all.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 6, 2013 11:32:54 GMT -5
The main reason I like Shipley is the change up. My personal preference outside of a spectacular fastball requirement is a pitcher who has a developed change up that is already above average. Shipley's right now is his second best pitch and mixing speeds can be deadly for hitters. Many pitchers have a fastball and curve or slider and live off those two pitches for the most part in HS and College. Shipley has two plus pitches and his curveball is improving. So I would have no problem with Shipley who's still learning how to pitch, has less wear on his arm and could be a #2 starter. You can never have too many arms.
I do however have Meadows in the same zone. I have Frazier lower than the other two. Although I love his makeup and quick bat I think he will peak quickly and never quite be what many fans hope he will. Where as with Meadows I believe we would see improvement throughout and he will end up being a better player in the long run who can provide more defensive value as well. I probably would put Smith above Frazier if his 1B defense is as good as some say but it is very close. I personally don't like Moran as I think he is what he is which is an average regular with little chance at being a super star or likely even an all star. He's safe but I think would be disappointing compared to a few others who we would have to pass on. Assuming none of the top 4 (Appel, Gray, Bryant and Stewart) fall my board is Shipley, Meadows, Smith, Frazier.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 11:37:13 GMT -5
Well put, taftreign
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Post by boomer on Jun 6, 2013 11:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Jun 6, 2013 12:15:39 GMT -5
I think the Sox should take the best hitter available. This opportunity to fill one of the positions on the field with a high potential draftee only comes along once a generation for a team like the Sox.
Taking a pitcher carries too much risk. They get hurt. They don't develop. Yes, I would take Appel or Gray, but that's about it (I'd think about Stewart). Otherwise, go for the impact everyday player.
My choice is Frazier by a very small margin over Meadows and Smith. I'd take Moran if he was available, but he probably won't be.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2013 12:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 6, 2013 14:53:39 GMT -5
I'm dreaming here, but if Moran goes #1 and Dom Smith goes #3, oh my...
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 6, 2013 15:10:30 GMT -5
I'm dreaming here, but if Moran goes #1 and Dom Smith goes #3, oh my... That would mean we'd probably get Stewart. Appel/Bryant/Gray won't get out of the top 5.
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Post by awokennightmare on Jun 6, 2013 15:13:59 GMT -5
I'm all in on Clint Frazier! I really hope he gets to the sox pick and more importantly, I hope they actually pick him!
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 15:26:50 GMT -5
Could have huge impact on the Red Sox selection
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Post by elguapo on Jun 6, 2013 15:48:18 GMT -5
Good argument. Can also be made for marrying a really heavy person, who will never lose his her figure. If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life / never make a pretty woman your wife...
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Post by borisman on Jun 6, 2013 15:49:33 GMT -5
Serious question: Is Braden Shipley Clay Buchholz II?
Edit: minus the laptops, that is (sorry, Clay).
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 6, 2013 16:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 6, 2013 16:06:53 GMT -5
Not @ you grandsalami but we should decide which draft thread is gonna be used for information purposes.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 6, 2013 16:08:59 GMT -5
Smokescreen? I love not knowing what the Astros will do.
Pretty much expect the Cubs to take Appel if he's there, if not Bryant, they'll pass on Gray.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 6, 2013 16:09:37 GMT -5
Final mock from Callis: 7. BOSTON RED SOX: Boston will take Stewart if Minnesota doesn’t. If he’s gone, the Red Sox likely will take whomever the Indians don’t between Moran and Frazier. I’ve had a hard time pinning down whether Boston prefers Frazier to Meadows. PROJECTED PICK: Clint Frazier. www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-4-0-the-final-countdown/This seems most likely to me. I still can't see them picking Meadows though. And Smith's helium looks pretty impressive and may sneak in.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 6, 2013 16:10:21 GMT -5
I wonder if Moran is really the one who would have the ripple effect. Many think Twins would go Gray if not Stewart so they could effectively just switch spots in the consensus.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2013 16:22:10 GMT -5
Starting to wonder, for all the talk of Frazier vs Meadows, and the hopes of getting Stewart, if none of them will wind up with Boston. I'm starting to think that Gray goes to Houston, Appel to Cubs, Bryant to Rockies, Stewart to Twins, Frazier to Indians, and Shipley to Marlins leaving the Sox with Moran.
I'd be surprised if the Stewart/Moran talk to Houston happens, and I'd also be surprises if Domonic Smith is taken so early (Colorado?). I am starting to think that maybe if the Sox lose out on Stewart and Frazier, they should take a chance on Smith.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 16:23:53 GMT -5
Apparently there is a rumor the Houston is down to Moran or Kohl Stewart for #1... I wonder how that would effect us.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 16:28:27 GMT -5
Apparently there is a rumor the Houston is down to Moran or Kohl Stewart for #1... I wonder how that would effect us. If Stewart goes #1, it affects the top 4 or five, but not the Red Sox because none of the top 3 are dropping to 7. Though I guess it might mean Moran falls to seven if one of the big three falls to five. If Moran goes 1, then Stewart might fall (and obviously Moran won't fall to five).
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 6, 2013 16:33:17 GMT -5
Apparently there is a rumor the Houston is down to Moran or Kohl Stewart for #1... I wonder how that would effect us. If Stewart goes #1, it affects the top 4 or five, but not the Red Sox because none of the top 3 are dropping to 7. Though I guess it might mean Moran falls to seven if one of the big three falls to five. If Moran goes 1, then Stewart might fall (and obviously Moran won't fall to five). This. Teams it will effect will be those picking 2-5, we will most likely still pick from the same group of players.
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