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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 24, 2013 16:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Jan 24, 2013 18:54:03 GMT -5
I am surprised another team hadn't offered more, but David Price or Mike Stanton could be dangled come July, so teams likely wanted to save those prospects. I would think someone offered more, but Upton's no trade clause does include some teams who theoretically would have been interested.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 24, 2013 19:34:35 GMT -5
Disagree slightly with you here. No trade clauses are very clear and this one appears to have been no exception. The Diamondbacks misunderstood Justin Upton, I'd say, and his reasons for having the clause in there. Atlanta should be set in the outfield for a while.
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Post by buffs4444 on Jan 24, 2013 22:46:40 GMT -5
Phenomenal deal by the Braves. Gonna be fun to watch them next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 25, 2013 9:00:19 GMT -5
Disagree slightly with you here. No trade clauses are very clear and this one appears to have been no exception. The Diamondbacks misunderstood Justin Upton, I'd say, and his reasons for having the clause in there. Atlanta should be set in the outfield for a while. That's exactly what I meant Norm. I didn't mean the mis-read the language, but that they misunderstood the purpose of the clause.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 25, 2013 9:57:56 GMT -5
Isn't that just another strike against Towers and the rest of the Diamondbacks management team? Beyond the fact that it's idiotic that they don't consider talented guys like Bauer and Upton their "type" of players and traded them below market value, they didn't communicate with their most valuable commodity before they dealt him to a team on his no-trade list. What a mess.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 25, 2013 10:20:50 GMT -5
Interesting that Boston was on that list
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Post by nomar on Jan 25, 2013 11:54:29 GMT -5
Isn't that just another strike against Towers and the rest of the Diamondbacks management team? Beyond the fact that it's idiotic that they don't consider talented guys like Bauer and Upton their "type" of players and traded them below market value, they didn't communicate with their most valuable commodity before they dealt him to a team on his no-trade list. What a mess. I agree. Seems to me like their biggest ego is Towers himself.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 29, 2013 9:12:48 GMT -5
It looks like Arod, Melky, Gio, Nelson Cruz and others are associated with the Miami clinic doling out PEDs. This could be be big.... Jeff Passan þ@JeffPassan One MLB official on the Miami doping scandal: "This is BALCO all over again." Miami New Times with explosive details: bit.ly/14rvlOi
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 29, 2013 14:32:55 GMT -5
It looks like Arod, Melky, Gio, Nelson Cruz and others are associated with the Miami clinic doling out PEDs. This could be be big.... Jeff Passan þ@JeffPassan One MLB official on the Miami doping scandal: "This is BALCO all over again." Miami New Times with explosive details: bit.ly/14rvlOiYawn. People are surprised by this?
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 29, 2013 16:36:28 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is surprised about some of the names, with the possible exception of Gio Gonzalez. However, I would not be surprised to hear about other star athletes (baseball and other sports) associated with this Miami clinic. These guys who have been named could be subject to at least a 50 game suspension by MLB in 2013.
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Post by remember04 on Jan 29, 2013 17:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 29, 2013 17:05:32 GMT -5
dont think they will be able to do that....
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 29, 2013 17:05:42 GMT -5
It looks like Arod, Melky, Gio, Nelson Cruz and others are associated with the Miami clinic doling out PEDs. This could be be big.... Jeff Passan þ@JeffPassan One MLB official on the Miami doping scandal: "This is BALCO all over again." Miami New Times with explosive details: bit.ly/14rvlOiYawn. People are surprised by this? Not a surpize, but it is news. Some big time players could face major suspensions or worse.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 29, 2013 17:27:13 GMT -5
Oh god more of these guys bringing shame to D.R :facepalm: But really Cruz is the only new guy(Dominican that is) on the list. Can't these guys pay to go to Germany like Kobe, Manning and Bolt.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 29, 2013 18:01:56 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is surprised about some of the names, with the possible exception of Gio Gonzalez. However, I would not be surprised to hear about other star athletes (baseball and other sports) associated with this Miami clinic. These guys who have been named could be subject to at least a 50 game suspension by MLB in 2013. Can we PLEASE be done with the contrived notion that steroids/PEDs are more useful for hitters, or directly related to offensive levels? It should be in no way surprising that pitchers could or would want to benefit from these drugs, and there's no reason to think they don't benefit from them. The connection between steroid use and elevated offense in the 90s was basically invented by boomer-age sportswriters looking for an excuse to delegitimize the accomplishments of players who broke the offensive records of their childhood heros.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 29, 2013 20:37:20 GMT -5
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Post by Gwell55 on Jan 29, 2013 20:45:54 GMT -5
dont think they will be able to do that.... Right according to this espn article: According to two baseball sources -- one of whom is familiar with the wording of Rodriguez's contract -- even if it is proven that Rodriguez received steroids and HGH from Bosch, the Yankees would not be able to impose a punishment greater than the mandatory 50-game suspension stipulated for a first-time offender by baseball's collectively bargained Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Section 7, paragraph M of the agreement states, "All authority to discipline Players for violations of the Program shall repose with the Commissioner's Office. No Club may take any disciplinary or adverse action against a Player (including, but not limited to, a fine, suspension, or any adverse action pursuant to a Uniform Player's Contract) because of a Player's violation of the Program." "Baseball's drug policy was specifically written so that teams can't do things like this," one of the sources said. "You can't use this to try to get out of the last years of a contract." espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8894904/alex-rodriguez-contract-attempting-voided-new-york-yankees-according-sources
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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 29, 2013 22:18:21 GMT -5
Of course the MFY would want to void the contract, any team would. But by all accounts, that won't be possible. If they weren't able to void it when he admitted taking steroids and deceiving them, they won't be able to do it now.
The only way a team is going to be able to void any contract, is if the guy gets hurt doing something he is contractually bound to not do. I believe something similar happened when Boone blew out his knee playing basketball, but I could be mistaken.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2013 22:57:24 GMT -5
I believe that Gonzalez is not linked with any substances that actually violate the PED policy in the records at issue, and his father is quoted in the original story as saying he went there to get stuff to lose weight (fishy of course, but not fatal).
It's worth noting that the other guys named (A-Rod, Cabrera, Colon, Grandal) have already failed tests in the past, whereas Gio has been clean thus far. Doesn't vindicate him, but I'm not necessarily ready to jump to conclusions there either.
My gut says he knew the place was involved with fishy stuff but that he stayed away from it. We'll see though - I tend to lean optimistic in these cases.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 30, 2013 11:10:08 GMT -5
So theres potential here for ARod to miss the first half of the season rehabbing and the second half for PED suspension? Hilarious.
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Post by jmei on Jan 30, 2013 11:27:02 GMT -5
Even funnier: Rodriguez is due $29m in 2013, $26m in 2014, $22m in 2015, $21m in 2016, and $21m in 2017, and there's not a chance in hell his contract is voided. The only way the Yankees will be rid of that monstrosity of a contract is if he retires, and with his ego, I can't imagine that happening soon.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 30, 2013 11:35:12 GMT -5
Even funnier: Rodriguez is due $29m in 2013, $26m in 2014, $22m in 2015, $21m in 2016, and $21m in 2017, and there's not a chance in hell his contract is voided. The only way the Yankees will be rid of that monstrosity of a contract is if he retires, and with his ego, I can't imagine that happening soon. Reporters have mentioned that if he retires because of his hips, the Yankees could at least collect insurance on the contract. That said, he'd probably still count against the CBT I'd think, as he'd still be getting paid. The Yankees could then use the insurance money to go past the CBT then, however.
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Post by Matt Huegel on Jan 31, 2013 10:50:40 GMT -5
Even funnier: Rodriguez is due $29m in 2013, $26m in 2014, $22m in 2015, $21m in 2016, and $21m in 2017, and there's not a chance in hell his contract is voided. The only way the Yankees will be rid of that monstrosity of a contract is if he retires, and with his ego, I can't imagine that happening soon. Reporters have mentioned that if he retires because of his hips, the Yankees could at least collect insurance on the contract. That said, he'd probably still count against the CBT I'd think, as he'd still be getting paid. The Yankees could then use the insurance money to go past the CBT then, however. Heard that too. But it wouldn't be if he retired per se. I think he'd basically have to prove every year that he is unable to play because of injury, and of course the insurance companies would look to do everything to prove otherwise. Like you mention though, I don't think it would affect the CBT calculation so not sure what the full implications would be.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 31, 2013 11:10:07 GMT -5
Reporters have mentioned that if he retires because of his hips, the Yankees could at least collect insurance on the contract. That said, he'd probably still count against the CBT I'd think, as he'd still be getting paid. The Yankees could then use the insurance money to go past the CBT then, however. Heard that too. But it wouldn't be if he retired per se. I think he'd basically have to prove every year that he is unable to play because of injury, and of course the insurance companies would look to do everything to prove otherwise. Like you mention though, I don't think it would affect the CBT calculation so not sure what the full implications would be. It would be a similar situation to the Bruins and Marc Savard.
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