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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 18, 2014 17:51:31 GMT -5
Exactly how does a 30YO career MiLB veteran knuckleballer have more potential?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 18, 2014 17:54:31 GMT -5
Exactly how does a 30YO career MiLB veteran knuckleballer have more potential? That's like an 18 year old normal pitcher.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 18, 2014 17:58:50 GMT -5
So, can we safely say that Workman is a back-of-the-rotation starter now? Does anyone feel he has more potential than that? Because honestly at this point I would rather see some pitchers with more upside (Wright, Webster) in Boston, and if they pan out I would strongly consider trading Workman this offseason. He should fetch a decent return as a cost-controlled starter... and by the time he hits free agency I fear velocity decline will push him to the pen. Having seen Workman for several years in the minors, I was a bit surprised at how well he did last year...especially at "crunch time". For me he is a rich man's Alex Wilson.....He has better stuff and control but he is IMO a middle reliever on a very good MLB club. That's not bad. There is money to be made there. I agree that he is an emergency starter. Is he moveable and for what? I don't think that he has great value as a trade chip. So, I would keep him around for the spot starter, long/middle reliever role.
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Post by danr on Jul 18, 2014 18:09:59 GMT -5
I think Workman would be better as a RP. He certainly was last year. However, he could be a starter for another team.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 18, 2014 18:12:21 GMT -5
Is he moveable and for what? I don't think that he has great value as a trade chip. So, I would keep him around for the spot starter, long/middle reliever role. I wouldn't say he has "great value", but 5 more years of control of a guy who can start and produce around 1 WAR/season is definitely worth something to a team with a budget that does not allow them to pay 5 veteran starters. My gut feeling is you should be able to get a #101-#200 prospect and a lottery ticket for him. Of course he could have value to the Sox as a spot starter and middle reliever as well. But it's not as much value as he could have as a full-time starter for a second division team. And I do like our farm system's chances to provide decent spot starts for the next year or three.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 18, 2014 18:23:48 GMT -5
Exactly how does a 30YO career MiLB veteran knuckleballer have more potential? That's like an 18 year old normal pitcher. Oh, I know all the hype on stress of the arm, etc.. I've seen every Knuckleballer since Wilhelm. I just have issues with so many guys already at AAA for the Sox right now, Workman already has shown he can get guys out at the MLB level and Wright has not. Just don't know if he'll ever get the chance with Boston. The team is too deep with guys who have conventional pitches and would be a terrible thing to let one go over someone with a 'trick" pitch that is already 30 and other parts of the body DO wear out.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 18, 2014 18:29:32 GMT -5
We can discuss who the guys with more upside than back-of-the-rotation-starter are in their respective threads. If you like Ranaudo, pretend I mentioned him instead of Wright. Here I want to know what you guys think of Workman and how he fits.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 18, 2014 18:30:44 GMT -5
That's like an 18 year old normal pitcher. Oh, I know all the hype on stress of the arm, etc.. I've seen every Knuckleballer since Wilhelm. I just have issues with so many guys already at AAA for the Sox right now, Workman already has shown he can get guys out at the MLB level and Wright has not.Just don't know if he'll ever get the chance with Boston. The team is too deep with guys who have conventional pitches and would be a terrible thing to let one go over someone with a 'trick" pitch that is already 30 and other parts of the body DO wear out. Might want to go back and see what Wright did last year in his opportunities in Boston. He has gotten MLB hitters out. Workman has at times. But he's a better BP Arm.
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Post by soxcentral on Jul 18, 2014 20:26:12 GMT -5
That's like an 18 year old normal pitcher. Oh, I know all the hype on stress of the arm, etc.. I've seen every Knuckleballer since Wilhelm. I just have issues with so many guys already at AAA for the Sox right now, Workman already has shown he can get guys out at the MLB level and Wright has not. Just don't know if he'll ever get the chance with Boston. The team is too deep with guys who have conventional pitches and would be a terrible thing to let one go over someone with a 'trick" pitch that is already 30 and other parts of the body DO wear out. Would you be willing to acknowledge that your personal dislike of the knuckleball is driving your opinion of Wright's ability to get major league hitters out?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 18, 2014 20:52:40 GMT -5
Oh... That is not it at all.. Why keep mentioning Wilhelm, Wood (Wilbur) Niekro brothers from time to time. Nothing at all against the pitch itself. I have an issue with a deep corps of prospects, whom are much younger that is very talented being possibly overlooked, while a knuckleball pitcher *could* be given time after time a chance to hone his iffy craft at the MLB level, one that is very unpredictable, more than that of the *normal* pitcher and their style and more prone to failure.
Had the Sox a depleted farm system, with little pitching (Anaheim), I see -0- problem with giving him every oppurtunity. Boston does not have that.
Had the great Wakefield not recently completed his distinguished career recently? Nobody would be THINKING of this guy, nor wanting him around in Boston, but now that Wake has won 180+ games, it's give 'em all a good look-see.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 18, 2014 22:38:19 GMT -5
I still think workman works best as a reliever.
If the sox trade peavy, they will probably need to pay the 6 million still owed peavy and find a fifth starter. Maybe Webster if workman goes to the bullpen.
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