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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 13, 2022 21:16:21 GMT -5
Interesting happenings on mlb network right now You made me look. Twinkies working on a no-no.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 13, 2022 21:12:03 GMT -5
Ol' Pudge Fisk would have run right over an MFY P who stood in the baseline like that waiting to tag him out.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 13, 2022 20:52:41 GMT -5
Judge should be the easiest guy in BB to pitch to at this point. You just don't throw him a strike.
Or maybe I should say the second easiest. Marwin Gonzalez would be No. 1. What a frustrating night.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 11, 2022 9:59:46 GMT -5
Nah, you'll be here. The Red Sox are a way of life. We've all hung with them through an 86-year championship drought, crushing losses, a history of institutional racism, unlikeable teams and management teams (not talking about this management team, more about John Harrington and Dan Duquette) and other maddening torment. I won't be disappointed if they don't sign X. I'll be EXTREMELY F'IN DISAPPOINTED if they don't make an honest effort. So far, it appears they have not. He's got three years left on his deal at 20 million per year. He's about to turn 30 and Mayer is probably no more than three years away. Assuming he opts out what do you propose they offer him? BTW. I totally do not buy any comment by a player that they want to stay. That is nothing more than a negotiating tactic. What do people expect a player to say? I agree it's always best for a player to say the pledge of allegiance to his current team. There's not a lot of gain in saying, "The place sucks and I can't wait to be out of here." They nearly always go for the highest offer once they reach FA. I've thought all along six years and $150M is fair. I wish Bloom had offered him that last winter. He may have taken it. There's no incentive for him to not test the market now that he's at the front door of market. They could sweeten the pot by front-loading the money, giving him an opt-out after four years and putting a "C" on his uni. If someone offers him $30M a year and the RS let him walk, I'll be happy with their decision, but still PO'ed that they didn't get serious a year earlier.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 11, 2022 9:29:43 GMT -5
Got a feeling your fandom gonna get tested this winter. It’s been tested the last few winters. Now it is hanging by a thread. Nah, you'll be here. The Red Sox are a way of life. We've all hung with them through an 86-year championship drought, crushing losses, a history of institutional racism, unlikeable teams and management teams (not talking about this management team, more about John Harrington and Dan Duquette) and other maddening torment. I won't be disappointed if they don't sign X. I'll be EXTREMELY F'IN DISAPPOINTED if they don't make an honest effort. So far, it appears they have not.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 11, 2022 9:22:18 GMT -5
It's bonkers to think it's bonkers that X may be elsewhere next year. What is there in Bloom's approach that would lead one to think he's going to beat all offers for X?
He may not have to beat all offers because X wants to be here, you say? Don't bet on it. It's possible that some of the shine has gone off being a RS for X. The team has been good in exactly one of the four seasons (only three real seasons, but still) since 2018, the guys he came up with have mostly gone elsewhere, and management hasn't shown him much respect. He has indicated he's unhappy this year.
I expect Bloom to watch the SS market and try to get a bargain with a guy who's market is less than vibrant. That may be X. Or it may be Turner. Or Correa. Or Swanson. It may be none of them. He could go cheapo at SS and spend the dollars at another position.
From what we know via the reporting, Bloom has made no serious effort to sign X. The most expensive time to sign a player is when he hits FA - which is where X will be in a matter of weeks.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:31:11 GMT -5
The Hicks play was pretty bad. Take a look. He did a Duran and made no effort after his missed on the catch.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:26:59 GMT -5
Watching the MFY post-game show after another one of their losses is about the only BB pleasure I have these days. I tuned in a few minutes ago and learned that Aaron Hicks was yanked out of the game after he misplayed two balls. On one, he didn't realize it landed fair. He didn't rush to get it in and a second run scored.
Good times!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:14:42 GMT -5
I'll do the honors.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 12:34:29 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Bloom has a thought in his head about extending a QO to JDM. I look for him to use his payroll space to build a deeper, more flexible roster that maximizes the value of every spot. Paying $20M to a DH who'd be on the short side of any platoon and doesn't play the field is exactly what he doesn't want to do, I think.
Not to mention the fact that JDM isn't very good. Bloom has to think he can get a .770 OPS out of the DH spot by rotating less-expensive guys in and out and getting a LH-RH platoon advantage in most games.
Offer QO's to X and Eovaldi but try to work out reasonable deals with both of them before FA.
No QO for Wacha. The Red Sox Stats post is convincing that he's been extremely lucky.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 8, 2022 20:29:11 GMT -5
The question is can he play both positions at a GG level at the same time. He'd have to cover a lot of ground, but he'd be the ultimate Bloom-type value player because you'd need only eight guys on the field and save a salary! But seriously, the comment about him already being a GG OF reminds me of a similar comment about JBJ when he was working his way through the system. An evaluator said that as soon as JBJ got his first callup, he'd be the best CF in the AL. It's great to hear similar praise about another young stud.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 7, 2022 21:59:39 GMT -5
It's not that Bloom is infallible. It's that "I liked Mookie Betts & Andrew Benintendi and Bloom traded Mookie Betts & Andrew Benintendi", or "Any trade involving prospects was bad if a prospect's ranking drops after the deal was signed", or "Dombrowski won a WS and Bloom hasn't, so Dombrowski is good and Bloom is bad" are the caliber of arguments we're seeing here. I frequently call out arguments like these because they are terrible and deserve to be called out. I will never argue that Bloom is perfect, because he is not. In my unqualified opinion, holding guys like JDM and Eovaldi at the deadline and staying over the LT threshold was a mistake this year. The JBJ trade also backfired in a big way, even if I understand the logic behind it. I would have liked to see more turnover in the bullpen earlier in the season too. Most of the arguments being levied against Bloom in this thread are not these, though. It seems to be mostly frustration with the team's performance bubbling up into emotional arguments directed at a convenient scapegoat. You'd think this team hadn't had an 86-year WS drout with the level of impatience and entitlement from the fanbase. How ironic, given that the current team building approach is designed to give us exactly what we all want: a perennial contender. I expect ownership will be more aware of this than the average member of this forum, though, and I expect Bloom will be given a chance to see his vision through as a result. I'm getting a bit tired of posting in this thread and don't want to dominate the discussion either, so I think I will leave it at that until we start seeing some major transactions. To me, this post nails it. I consider myself to be in the sensible center when it comes to Bloom. I was indifferent to 2020, loved how he put the 2021 team together, and am baffled and frustrated by his 2022 roster construction and deadline decisions. As an inhabitant of the sensible center, I'm in a good position to judge the arguments for and against Bloom. It's clear to me that the Never Bloomers have trouble giving the guy credit for anything. Someone on here once claimed that 2021 was a crap year because we didn't win the division. How can a reasonable person possibly take that seriously? The Sensible Centrists sometimes level harsh criticism (like I did in the first paragraph of this post), but appreciate Bloom's successes and are willing to give his approach more time to work, while also acknowledging reasons for concern. The Sensible Centrists don't see every argument as Bloom vs. D-Dom. Being sensible means respecting D-Dom for realizing that he inherited a tremendous young core and aggressively bringing in veteran stars to complement that core and bring us a WS championship. His talents enabled us to experience the joy of seeing the greatest team in franchise history. The irony for me is when the Never Bloomers get frustrated with the Sensible Centrists and accuse them of having no objectivity. It's quite the other way around.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 7, 2022 20:32:56 GMT -5
JD - June - .232-3-10 July - .210-1-7. August - .214-2-10 September so far - 4 for 15,0-1 Three plus months - 6 HR, 27 RBI, and a batting average around .220 Why is he still getting ABs? That puts him at .266 in September. So, your point is that he's heating up?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 7, 2022 20:25:00 GMT -5
They spent about $19 million total for JBJ and some D prospects. JBJ gave them -0.4 WAR Hunter Renfroe is paid 7.5 million and produce 2.4 WAR so far. I see the main prospect from that deal is now ranked 30th on Sox prospects and sinking. Apparently Bloom and company felt Renfroe was a mirage. To be fair he was poor in the playoffs. I recall around this time last year trying to come up with up CB's three best moves. It was hard to narrow it down to three. Now I'd have trouble whittling a list of his worst decisions down to three. The JBJ-Renfroe trade, the Beni trade and his overall incoherent set of moves at this year's deadline would be finalists.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 7, 2022 19:49:57 GMT -5
They do??? That’s the first I’ve heard of that. I thought it was an option year? it's a buy out. What's unclear to me is whether it has any LTT implications for RS in 2023.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 5, 2022 12:36:16 GMT -5
I don't feel a bit of sentimentality or regret that Mookie is no longer here. That would be pointless. My boo-hoos aren't going to bring him back or improve the RS prospects going forward, so why bother? A few points: 1. Based on reporting, Mookie rejected 5 years/$100M after the 2016 season; 8 years $200M after the 2017 season; and $10 years/300M after the 2018 season, an offer that he countered by asking for 12 years/$420M. I think it's safe to say D-Dom made honest efforts to sign him. (https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/02/boston-red-sox-made-three-generous-proposals-to-mookie-betts-before-deciding-to-trade-him-to-dodgers.html) 2. Mookie has lied to us. He said he would have signed with the RS if they had made the 12-year/$365M he ended up getting from the LAD. If so, why did he counter the post-2018 offer with one substantially larger than what he got from the LAD? 3. I don't know what it means to say the Red Sox "could have" signed him at LAD $$$ and years, but chose not to. If you mean that giving him the 12 years/$420M or even the 12 years/$365M would not have put Fenway Sports Group in a chapter 7 liquidation or forced JWH into a bread line, then you are correct. But they could not have gotten him at those $$$ and years and stayed under the LTT in 2020 and 2021. That's important. It would have also badly compromised the team's chances of competing during his decline years. And I'm still happy we didn't have Mookie causing trouble by doing Mookie-like things during the meaningless 2020 season. The RS won 24 games that year. He easily could have pushed us to 27, placing us in a tie with Seattle for the 11th or 12th pick. Teams can afford a lot of signings that they don't make because they think those signings would hurt their chances of winning going forward. Remember, the team's money represents the team's chances of winning. Teams are correct not to sign every player they could afford to sign, if only they wanted to. That would piss away chances at sustained success. 4. See point No. 1. David Dombrwoski was the BB boss of the Boston Red Sox when the organization made those offers that Marcus Lynn Betts rejected as too paltry. I don't blame D-Dom for the failure to re-sign Mookie because he made substantial offers, the last of which Mookie countered with a ridiculous ask. But holding a petty grudge that colors one's thinking about everything Chaim Bloom does just because he was the guy who was there when the trade had to be made is childish. He was not running BB Ops when the organization had its greatest leverage in talks with Betts. By the time Bloom took over in late October of 2019, the player had only one year before FA, had already turned down multiple offers, and had asked for $55 million more than he ended up getting from the richest organization in the sport. I don't mind conversation about the Betts deal three years later because it's a significant chapter in RS history. But I think we can do better here on SP than the level of conversation that takes place on talk radio or in a Shank Shaughnessy column. Betts clearly was never going to resign with Boston. It's obvious he didn't like playing in Boston and loves playing in L.A.. I'm not so sure about that. I think he would have played in Boston, LA or Osh Kosh - wherever he had the highest offer. And there's nothing wrong with that. Players won the right to FA through years of hard fights in the courts and negotiations. Individual players are entitled to use it they way they want. Too often, fans feel like they have to assign a black hat to one side and a white hat to the other when negotiations don't end in a deal. That's silly. Two sides pursued their own business interest and couldn't reach an agreement. Unless one side committed fraud or was blatantly dishonest, there's no moral winner or loser.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 5, 2022 0:20:18 GMT -5
I came on here just to check in on Mata's out before turning in for the night. Damn, was I ever entertained by ilovetacos?!! Too funny.
Anyways, it appears that Mata is progressing but still has work to do with his location. I see him as a potential BP contributor in the second half of next year. He should finish up this year with fewer than 90 IP, making it unlikely that he'll be ready for a full season of starts in 2023.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 23:06:10 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if he plays mostly SS or CF in winter ball. CF is such a hard position to find someone while SS seems to be way easier. I can see him in RF too. Mookie 2.0. I think my dream would be Mayer at SS in 3 years. Ceddanne in RF in 2 years and Bleis in CF in 3-4 years. With X at 2B, Raffy at 3B and Casas mashing at 1B. If Yorke's bat develops, he could be a DJ LaMaieu type, picking up ABs at 1B, 2B, 3B and DH. That lineup, along with low-cost contributions from Bello, Mata, Walter, Kutter and one or two others, would leave room for a high-priced acquisition or two.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 19:34:33 GMT -5
We got Dallas Keuchal DFA'ed That's twice we've done that this year Now if we can just develop that skill with some of our own guys. Brasier, Plawecki, Familia, come on down! Is that you I see hiding over there, JDM?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 17:26:11 GMT -5
No budget in the history of the business world has ever been limitless and the RS did not have a top-10 pick in the amateur drafts that took place from 2003 to 2011. I think he was referring to top 10 picks with the Cubs as the basis of their success. The cubs throughout their past 57 years have had a lot of top 10 picks. Didnt lead to any championships until Theo was GM. That is significant for the Cubs. It showed Theo could build from the ground up. You're probably right. But he also said Theo's "only success with drafting" was... I think his picks of Pedroia, Papelbon, Betts, Barnes, Bradley and others were successful.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 17:03:52 GMT -5
Gaspar is being misleading with this. The hiring of D-Dom did not at all indicate that JWH lied about wanting BC to be the GM for a long time. When he hired D-Dom, he made it clear he still wanted BC to be the GM. BC wasn't happy with that arrangement and left on his own. The Theo idea has popped into my head a few times too, but not with him coming in to mentor Bloom. I think of Theo as the first call JWH should make in a couple of years if it's time to move on from Bloom. By then Theo should have had enough time to recharge his batteries in his lower-pressure job with MLB. If ownership's goal is to have a GM who's only success with drafting was when budgets were limitless and when he had a top 10 pick then Theo is their guy. No budget in the history of the business world has ever been limitless and the RS did not have a top-10 pick in the amateur drafts that took place from 2003 to 2011.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 17:01:11 GMT -5
If ownership's goal is to have a GM who's only success with drafting was when budgets were limitless and when he had a top 10 pick then Theo is their guy. Maybe they like two championships in 10 seasons and 8 ninety win seasons in 10 years and two seasons where the worst they did was win 86 games and 89 games. I can't imagine Cubs fans look back and say, geez I wished Theo had never come to town...that they liked going crown less for 100 plus years. Theo wasn't perfect but I'd put up his resume against anybody else's. It's a Cooperstown worthy resume. Agree with all of this and would add that another consideration for me would be the assumption that Theo learned from the mistakes he made in his last couple of years. The Beckett, Lugo and Crawford contracts were bad and he should have prevailed over upper management to give Francona an extension past 2011. Making Tito go into that season without an extension and with a team full of big stars and egos left him in a no-win position.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 16:55:49 GMT -5
I don't feel a bit of sentimentality or regret that Mookie is no longer here. That would be pointless. My boo-hoos aren't going to bring him back or improve the RS prospects going forward, so why bother?
A few points:
1. Based on reporting, Mookie rejected 5 years/$100M after the 2016 season; 8 years $200M after the 2017 season; and $10 years/300M after the 2018 season, an offer that he countered by asking for 12 years/$420M. I think it's safe to say D-Dom made honest efforts to sign him. (https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/02/boston-red-sox-made-three-generous-proposals-to-mookie-betts-before-deciding-to-trade-him-to-dodgers.html)
2. Mookie has lied to us. He said he would have signed with the RS if they had made the 12-year/$365M he ended up getting from the LAD. If so, why did he counter the post-2018 offer with one substantially larger than what he got from the LAD?
3. I don't know what it means to say the Red Sox "could have" signed him at LAD $$$ and years, but chose not to. If you mean that giving him the 12 years/$420M or even the 12 years/$365M would not have put Fenway Sports Group in a chapter 7 liquidation or forced JWH into a bread line, then you are correct. But they could not have gotten him at those $$$ and years and stayed under the LTT in 2020 and 2021. That's important. It would have also badly compromised the team's chances of competing during his decline years.
And I'm still happy we didn't have Mookie causing trouble by doing Mookie-like things during the meaningless 2020 season. The RS won 24 games that year. He easily could have pushed us to 27, placing us in a tie with Seattle for the 11th or 12th pick.
Teams can afford a lot of signings that they don't make because they think those signings would hurt their chances of winning going forward. Remember, the team's money represents the team's chances of winning. Teams are correct not to sign every player they could afford to sign, if only they wanted to. That would piss away chances at sustained success.
4. See point No. 1. David Dombrwoski was the BB boss of the Boston Red Sox when the organization made those offers that Marcus Lynn Betts rejected as too paltry. I don't blame D-Dom for the failure to re-sign Mookie because he made substantial offers, the last of which Mookie countered with a ridiculous ask.
But holding a petty grudge that colors one's thinking about everything Chaim Bloom does just because he was the guy who was there when the trade had to be made is childish. He was not running BB Ops when the organization had its greatest leverage in talks with Betts. By the time Bloom took over in late October of 2019, the player had only one year before FA, had already turned down multiple offers, and had asked for $55 million more than he ended up getting from the richest organization in the sport.
I don't mind conversation about the Betts deal three years later because it's a significant chapter in RS history. But I think we can do better here on SP than the level of conversation that takes place on talk radio or in a Shank Shaughnessy column.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2022 15:54:37 GMT -5
Christopher Gaspar throwing a marker down on Bloom and reminding everyone: "Remember, Henry said of Cherington in June 2015, 'The general manager is going to be the general manager of this club for a very long time.' Dombrowski was hired two months later." Then reminding everyone Henry didn't even speak this time, just Sam Kennedy. He ends the article by saying Henry should entice Theo back, and Bloom can/should stay on as Theo's ward GM and learn from the master. FWIW Gaspar is being misleading with this. The hiring of D-Dom did not at all indicate that JWH lied about wanting BC to be the GM for a long time. When he hired D-Dom, he made it clear he still wanted BC to be the GM. BC wasn't happy with that arrangement and left on his own. The Theo idea has popped into my head a few times too, but not with him coming in to mentor Bloom. I think of Theo as the first call JWH should make in a couple of years if it's time to move on from Bloom. By then Theo should have had enough time to recharge his batteries in his lower-pressure job with MLB.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 27, 2022 0:07:55 GMT -5
Brasier somehow, even with tonight, has a 3.66 FIP/ 3.62 xFIP on the year. Sure doesn't feel like it when you watch him. Value! See, don’t believe your lying eyes! It’s just like the recession they tell us doesn’t exist. Looking quickly, it appears that teams just plain score a lot of runs off Brasier. B-Ref has his RA9 - which includes earned and unearned runs - at 6.29. He's also been bad in every month except one. He gave up a .501 OPS in June and hasn't been below .833 in any other month. He gives it up to the tune of .900 with RISP and .915 with men on base. These are the ABs that we tend to notice and remember. These numbers have to contribute to why he seems worse than his FIP and xFIP indicate. The National Bureau of Economic Research declares retrospectively when recessions began and ended. If we are in one now, it would be an extremely unusual one because job creation has been through the roof for about 18 months. It would be an unusual recession just like Ryan Brasier is having an unusual season.
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