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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 14:38:39 GMT -5
I'm simply implying that I don't know everything that the manager knows on any given night. Are you implying that you do? I don't believe a word you are saying here and imo you are being deliberately argumentative. On a prior post on this thread you said the following:
Wright was chosen because he was the starting pitcher in the previous night's game, which is absolutely common practice.
Your post here clearly implies that you do know what Farrell's thinking was. Now you are trying a different tact.
And for you to say on a later post you think he should be fired too - I find it beyond belief that you could question other posters for believing this incompetent manager just made another awful move rather than your made-up suggestion that it could be due to the pre-condition San Diego injury. For those of us that believe he is incompetent with all the other moves Farrell made, and see that Pomeranz was running well enough in San Diego, along with Farrell completely breaking away from his managerial style by risking an experience and slow top tier starter, then there should be absolutely no sane reason for you to believe many of us right with the continued incompetence of Farrell regarding this move, rather than you throwing a dart with a potential Pomz injury. After you were initially arguing not an injury but every other manger would have ran him too. You're throwing darts hoping one sticks.
I think it so bizarre that for someone who says they think JF should be fired and you see that this move went against his entire managerial philosophy that you could then try to make up that it might have been because of an injury rather than incompetence. If you truly lost confidence in him as you suggest as a manager (which is why he should be fired), then how can you doubt that he probably just broke away from how he normally manages and just made another idiotic move?
I guess I don't see how he went against his "entire managerial philosophy." What exactly is his philosophy and how did he entirely go against it? To your broader point I will only say that just because I don't think JF should still manage this team doesn't mean I think that every move he makes - no matter what - is the wrong move. It's interesting that you think differently. But you still never really answered my earlier question. Pomeranz had an injury in San Diego that wasn't bad enough to do anything more than inform MLB. I'm saying that I don't know if it was the cause for keeping him out, and you are. What was the injury and exactly how bad was it? I would like as much detail as possible so I can be as well informed as you are.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 14:10:56 GMT -5
All of this Pomeranz and Wright discussion seems beside the point to me. Why does a pitcher need to run there in any situation? Someone had to take over first base from Papi after that inning anyway, so all you are doing is burning the pitcher for, what exactly? Just use whoever is going to take over first base. Literally any position player on the roster (except Papi) would be a better choice than Wright or Pomeranz. Am I missing some element of the equation since I wasn't around? Papi wasn't playing first that night. He was removed from the game the night before when he played first because discomfort in his feet. That night he was pinch hitting in the pitchers spot and was the lead runner in a one run game. He needed to be pinch run for.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 14:04:19 GMT -5
With respect, you've heard plenty of reasons. Just none you've agreed with. I honestly don't think I have. Your reason was, what, that Wright was the pitcher who had pitched two days before? How is that a reason to prefer him over Pomeranz, who wouldn't pitch until three days later? ADD: the other reason you gave is secret Pomeranz injury, which seems implausible. If he's healthy enough to pitch and field his position and hit, he's healthy enough to pinch-run. Secret Pomeranz injury? The Padres are being investigated for not reporting a problem with Pomeranz before the trade. It's not exactly a secret. But as you admit, (even though you call it implausible) it's still another explanation to why he chose one pitcher over another.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 14:00:24 GMT -5
With respect, you've heard plenty of reasons. Just none you've agreed with. I honestly don't think I have. Your reason was, what, that Wright was the pitcher who had pitched next-to-last? How is that a reason to prefer him over Pomeranz, who would pitch three days from Wednesday? Pomeranz last pitched Thursday, so he would have had his side session on this day. I don't know if he already threw that day, but in extra innings he would have been available for an inning if needed. I'm assuming this isn't an acceptable answer for you but it's another possible explanation.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 13:39:49 GMT -5
It is absolutely a move that most managers wouldn't make, one that frankly seems unjustifiable. Maddon's moves may be unorthodox, but there's always a reason behind them. As mentioned, I have yet to hear a single reason to put Wright in over Pomeranz there. With respect, you've heard plenty of reasons. Just none you've agreed with.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 13:29:29 GMT -5
We still have yet to hear what medical problem Pomeranz had when he came over from San Diego. I'm not saying that was a factor here but it would explain why Farrell world be tight lipped about it. So that's made up reason number two. You can believe Farrell is a good manager who deserves to keep his job without fanatically defending every move he makes. I actually think he deserves to lose his job and have said so numerous times. But blaming Farrell for a player being hurt on the basepaths when it was no different of a move than any manager would have made seems odd to me. But maybe we should get a guy like Madden who would never put their pitchers in a spot to get hurt - like playing the outfield.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 13:18:57 GMT -5
We still have yet to hear what medical problem Pomeranz had when he came over from San Diego. I'm not saying that was a factor here but it would explain why Farrell world be tight lipped about it. It was enough that the Red Sox didn't seek compensation so why assume he can't run? He was pitching fine with San Diego while still having to bat, correct? You mean it didn't affect him with San Diego but it is affecting him now with Red Sox? Why are you seeking ghosts? Or are you indirectly implying that the manager couldn't be that stupid to use Wright- so this must be a reason? I'm simply implying that I don't know everything that the manager knows on any given night. Are you implying that you do?
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 12:21:53 GMT -5
You're right. Wright wasnt the last starter used. He was the last starter used who didn't have a knee that would pop out of socket for no apparent reason. He was still the person that most managers would have picked in that spot. I've still yet to hear a single plausible reason why you'd go to Wright instead of Pomeranz there, including from Farrell himself when he was directly asked about it. We still have yet to hear what medical problem Pomeranz had when he came over from San Diego. I'm not saying that was a factor here but it would explain why Farrell world be tight lipped about it.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 11:19:29 GMT -5
Wright was chosen because he was the starting pitcher in the previous night's game, which is absolutely common practice. Factually incorrect. Wright started on Friday, August 5 and the pinch-running incident occurred on Sunday, August 7. Rodriguez started on Saturday, Porcello was scheduled to start the Tuesday after (with an off-game on Monday), and Pomeranz was schedule to start on Wednesday. If you needed to use a starting pitcher there, it was absolutely Pomeranz. You're right. Wright wasnt the last starter used. He was the last starter used who didn't have a knee that would pop out of socket for no apparent reason. He was still the person that most managers would have picked in that spot.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 4, 2016 10:33:30 GMT -5
Wright was chosen because he was the starting pitcher in the previous night's game, which is absolutely common practice.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 3, 2016 17:10:33 GMT -5
Don't know who this "nobody" guy is, nor why he should be singled out for having the same thoughts as everyone else.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 30, 2016 21:25:27 GMT -5
When Leon is promised an off day - then dammit he gets one.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 30, 2016 20:57:43 GMT -5
“@bradfo: FWIW, for those looking for Ziegler, he's been sick last couple of days” Stop trying to ruin the narrative.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 30, 2016 20:25:59 GMT -5
Wow. Didn't see that coming. So unfortunate for Drew...but that's baseball. Need to get it back in the bottom of the inning. So predictable and yet so terrible. Just one strike needed against a terrible hitter and this team just can't do it. That's inexcusable.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 22:46:07 GMT -5
Leaving Porcello in vs. Longoria the 4th time through the order when he had 120+ pitches.... How dumb can a manager be? Exactly that dumb. Esp with Zeigler all warmed up. But hey let's try to milk a guy who was gassed and starting to leave it up. Let THAT guy pitch to a bonafide Red Sox killer who, curiously, likes it up because. Manager's got a hunch he can get him one more time tonight no matter what the data say about effectiveness after 90 pitches and 4th time facing an elite hitter and all that stuff. He had retired the last 11 batters he faced. You must have a different definition of "gassed" than I do.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 21:39:42 GMT -5
Doesn't that little girl in the stands need to go to school tomorrow? School year usually doesn't start until after Labor Day. Been back since August 11 over here.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:59:13 GMT -5
Still better than the rest of the pen? In his career, he's way worse than Ross. You're right. Hopefully no one tells Porcello he isn't allowed to pitch like he's pitched the rest of his career. I get it though - hating Farrell is your binkie. Just know that people who actually want him fired think some of the posts against him are ridiculous. I'll show myself out.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:55:22 GMT -5
FWIW, batters facing Porcello for the 4th time this season: .050/.095/.100 I think the pen has worse numbers this year than that, but I'll have to look it up. I'll report back soon. in 21 PAs. Nice. Let me know what he's at now. Still better than the rest of the pen?
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:46:41 GMT -5
FWIW, batters facing Porcello for the 4th time this season: .050/.095/.100
I think the pen has worse numbers this year than that, but I'll have to look it up. I'll report back soon.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:43:30 GMT -5
I've wanted him fired for quite a while too - so you can put that comment in your back pocket for another day. But if you can't see the the absolute idiocy of half the stuff he gets blamed for then I guess my comment hit a little too close to home. Well you're making up bull**** to make your point. No one would ever complain that Benintendi was running the bases in a close game. You're right. My sarcarsm in a game thread wasn't as great of a post as it could have been. I'll have to go back and read the Pomeranz/Espinoza trade for what quality posting on this board looks like.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:38:58 GMT -5
And yet still not as stupid as half the crap Farrell actually gets blamed for. Stick up for him now. I've wanted him fired for quite a while too - so you can put that comment in your back pocket for another day. But if you can't see the the absolute idiocy of half the stuff he gets blamed for then I guess my comment hit a little too close to home.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:30:23 GMT -5
Farrell strikes again. Letting a young, athletic player run for himself when he KNOWS there is a greater than 0 chance he gets hurt? We need another manager now!That's just a stupid response to this. Sorry. And yet still not as stupid as half the crap Farrell actually gets blamed for.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 24, 2016 20:20:55 GMT -5
Farrell strikes again. Letting a young, athletic player run for himself when he KNOWS there is a greater than 0 chance he gets hurt? We need another manager now!
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 23, 2016 21:22:59 GMT -5
That bounced before it hit him. Does that matter? Don't think it does.. .. Either way, great win. Hopefully Porcello can keep it going!
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 20, 2016 22:59:41 GMT -5
Imagine a fantasy-world, where an ultra-rested Craig Kimbrel can come in the game for an extra 1 or 2 outs when his team most needed it. I'll do my best to imagine what that looks like
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