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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 8, 2015 14:12:59 GMT -5
Old thread, but figured I'd bring a little life back to it.
It sounds like the Sox are pretty in love with what they saw Joe Kelly do at the end of the year, and really want to see what he can do. So I'm not fully sure how upgradeable the rotation is, given they want to see Kelly, and moving Buch isn't too likely given his ceiling.
I do however, think LF is the most upgradeable position on this team. I'm not super familiar with the Rockies system, but would love the So to go after Cargo and his 2 years remaining. What do people think it would take?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 8, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -5
I thought Andrew Friedman didn't care about those "issues": The man traded/signed a bunch of thugs when running the Rays! 3:) He'll still get him. Just has to lay low for a few weeks.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 8, 2015 0:07:41 GMT -5
“@alexspeier: Sources: Red Sox backed away from Chapman trade talks in Nov due to domestic violence allegations t.co/uiihhaNBPSChapman off board for them also gives a clue as to why they "overpaid" to get Kimbrel early.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 23:45:10 GMT -5
“@jeffpassan: Alleged incident at Aroldis Chapman’s home included eight gunshots, ”choking“ of girlfriend. News with @tbrownyahoo: t.co/ayeEePLeOXSo would you guys still rather have Chapman? Very, very scumbaggy of the Reds to try to trade him before that crap got out. *cough* Alfredo Simon *cough* (acquitted on involuntary manslaughter charges 2011, and was sued for rape in 2014) DD actually acquired him while there was still an active civil suit pertaining to the rape case.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 23:18:27 GMT -5
For anyone still thinking about Fernandez, Heyman says Marlins asked Diamondbacks for "2 of best players plus top prospects".
One would assume that Goldschmidt + Pollock + Prospects lol
Lets quit with the Fernandez talk unless we're willing to throw in Betts + Bogaerts + Moncada
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 23:01:46 GMT -5
after today's trade with Seattle, does dombrowski still have any interest in trading for Shelby Miller? He has interest in any upgrade available to the roster if it makes sense. I would expect him to closely monitor the market and engage other teams if it seems like things are changing. Someone wrote earlier that the Indians are "scrambling" to shore up their OF. So much so that a writer wondered if they'd move Kipnis to the OF. Wouldn't be shocked to see the Indians re-engage other teams on Carrasco.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 22:47:48 GMT -5
Fits with Freidman's history of targeting ***holes.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -5
Sounds like Carson Smith's pricetag is a teensy bit higher now than it was a few hours ago
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 21:26:48 GMT -5
With the Sox portside heavy, Miley seemed to be the logical choice to trade, especially considering he is locked up for three years at reasonable cost. Dombrowski/Farrell seemed to have Owens penned in for the fourth slot and were not listening to offers for Rodriguez. But I believe there may also be another reason Miley was sent packing and that is Farrell did not take kindly to his public tantrum. The bullpen looks really solid for 2016 and at least we have a good one-two punch thereafter for a few years. I suspect DD is not done in Tennessee either. Farrell cares more about what the guy does on the mound after he hands him the ball than if the guy smiles back at him as he hands him the ball.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 18:21:29 GMT -5
I'm thinking that we should trade for Andrew Miller, because screw the rest of the league. Seriously though, I am intrigued to see what kind of offers we were getting for Kelly. Rangers were linked. Also rumors they were listening on Tolleson.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 17:36:23 GMT -5
Great. Already making decisions. Maybe he should lock in the 2018 rotation too. Scott Lauber @scottlauber 5m5 minutes ago Koji locked into eighth inning, according to Farrell. #RedSox Gosh, overreaction much?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 17:27:40 GMT -5
Let's explore: Price (LHP) Buchholz (RHP) Rodriguez (LHP) Porcello (RHP) Miley (LHP) Owens (LHP) Elias (LHP) Johnson (LHP) And remember: Buchholz will go down at some point. At this point, you'd have to put Kelly in for Miley, no? That is some inexperience for depth. Unless he has other trades in the offing, I am nervous. It also makes me wish Barnes could have shown something last year.....anything Just showing the balance of depth if Kelly had gone instead of Miley (not like that was an option anyway). AAA depth is kinda tough. Would you rather have really low ceiling guys with more experience or high upside youngsters? I'm assuming DD will add some more depth to AAA soon. We have to also remember that this team can go into spring with some question marks and assess trades then, or at the deadline after they see what they have.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 17:24:30 GMT -5
That's nothing to brag about. That's not bragging. That's just what you do when you go to a new forum if you've ever been on the internet. This is generally the most civil and enjoyable message board I've been on in about 20 years of talking to strangers to get the sports talk fix which I cannot get in real life since I've moved away from the area. That takes a lot of work from the moderators and the posters to keep it that way and it's greatly appreciated. For sure, I'm just saying, it's weird that you'd act "timid" over a message board. I don't really get what there is to be afraid of.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 17:10:54 GMT -5
I'd have rather seen Kelly than Miley go, although maybe that would have made the trade unlikely. I know Miley gets a lot of shit around here...but I like what he brought to the back end. I also am not buying into substantive Kelly improvement. Let's explore: Price (LHP) Buchholz (RHP) Rodriguez (LHP) Porcello (RHP) Miley (LHP) Owens (LHP) Elias (LHP) Johnson (LHP) And remember: Buchholz will go down at some point.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 17:05:36 GMT -5
Everyone shouldn't rip me Coming to a forum where you are new and making 100 posts in 3 days, some of them pretty obnoxious, is basically asking to get ripped. Back when I was young one would lurk for a month before timidly making one single post in order to integrate oneself with a community. That's nothing to brag about.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 16:41:34 GMT -5
Love it. Miley was an asset but we deepened our pen with a guy who has two awesome pitches and tons of control with Uehara and Taz gone next season. Elias gives us some more starting depth at AAA.
Also don't think DD is done.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 14:10:21 GMT -5
I'm not there at the moment. I'm not attending the meetings, I work nearby at stroll over for a few hours at a time. I knew my Monday would be tough and may not get there until tonight, that's why I went over yesterday. All this activity sure has me itching to be there. In years past, when I've attended, the speed of reporting hasn't what it is now. Now I feel like I can be more focused while there, and maybe jump in on an interview or two. Grow a pencil thin mustache, steal a room service outfit and cart, and see if you can work your way into Dombrowski's suite
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 13:58:49 GMT -5
Of course, that raises the question of whether this analysis was done for the Kimbrel trade, whether their internal analysis agreed with the public consensus, and if so, how they got comfortable with the trade regardless. I would bet it has far more to do with assigning dollar value to performance number projections as opposed to using the arbitrary starting point of picking out what other prospects earned that shared the same Baseball America ranking lol
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 13:49:42 GMT -5
People want to pay to have Hanley leave town but are interested in Napoli? Am I in the twilight zone? Napoli had a 154 wRC+ last year against LHP. If you could afford the luxury of a short side of a platoon 1B as a roster spot, it's worth thinking about. Shaw was absent against righties last year and mashed lefties. Which was weird, cause a lot of his splits recently in the minors heavily favored him facing righties
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 2:41:19 GMT -5
God it would suck if Steven Wright pitches a meaningful game next year
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 1:40:05 GMT -5
Pete Abe feels like he's in Henry & Co's pocket lol. No shock he broke the Price signing.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 7, 2015 0:08:12 GMT -5
That list is horrific and I don't care how many "baseball sources" that includes. That's flinging a whole bunch of **** at a wall and calling it art.
He should cross-check 3/4 of those "trade proposals" with teams needs and he could eliminate most of them. Cafardo should rename his mailbag "junk mail"
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 6, 2015 16:26:27 GMT -5
I've generally been very wary of dealing a top 5 guy of ours, but does anyone think Cleveland would deny Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers for Salazar, or maybe Salazar and Bryan Shaw? I think that'd at least get conversations going. I'd be sad to part with Devers, and I really do like Miley, but he can be covered by Kelly/Owens/Johnson. I also would insert Devers at the very end... I'd perhaps use Chavis at first, but if they don't want that (I know that's a light package) I'd go Devers, I think. A Price/Salazar/Buchholz/Porcello/Rodriguez/Owens/Kelly and Johnson line is tantalizing. EDIT: To the Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers line, I'd perhaps also add a reliever of ours, say Light. If it took that. I don't really see why the Indians would want that package of guys. Danny Salazar has 5 years of control left, and is really really really good, they're not going to let him go for Devers and a package of non-essential guys. Now, if you throw Joe Kelly, Devers, Brian Johnson, and JBJ at them, that might get you somewhere.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 6, 2015 13:54:24 GMT -5
Well then. Tweet from O'Day: Contrary to the news, I have not reached an agreement with the O's yet. I am flattered by all the attention, but reports are premature. It's probably just because physicals aren't a formality with the O's lol
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 6, 2015 12:00:50 GMT -5
Cueto is going to be a problem for whoever signs him. Greinke and Price got so much money that it'll inflate his price, then you compound it with his already beginning decline, elbow vulnerability, and the fact that he's never even had a 5 WAR season which limits the potential surplus value he gives you in his best year, it spells trouble. Speier's most recent (and fantastic) article on Price drops the nugget that Red Sox officials met with Zimm, Price, and Greinke.
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