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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 17:57:10 GMT -5
Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this. Honestly, this is the approach to reality that has the world in such a mess. Literally all evidence indicates he has an inflammation, You mean the down peak and average velocity all season, plus PRP injection is just a sign of just inflammation? I honestly think this board will refute anything that's viewed as negative. Believe Sale in his word that it's just inflammation. I'm not going to do it. We can leave it at that and move on.
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Aug 20, 2019 17:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 17:10:41 GMT -5
Put your rose colored galsses on. If Sale wants to come out and spin this, that's fine. You jumped the shark with this one man. Trolling is an art, and this is just sloppy Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
Not sure if posting stuff said by people who have direct knowledge of the situation is allowed. But here ya go: The ligament was probably stretched then, which would make sense, given the number of pitches he has thrown in his career.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:42:34 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:42:34 GMT -5
Put your rose colored galsses on. If Sale wants to come out and spin this, that's fine.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:28:39 GMT -5
Not dumb, Dalbec's value is at third base. He'd be worth something to someone if he keeps playing third base in the minor leagues. He has zero value playing first base for the Sox. He's worth more somewhere else. Everyone's just going to forget that he can play third? Consider that everyone in baseball is looking at the same stuff you're looking at. Getting less reps at a position when you're being used primarily at another position, hurts or helps value? Ask Swihart this question.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:23:01 GMT -5
I already said it a million times, PRP injections either work or they don't. I'm not wishing for Sale to get Tommy John surgery here, but I wouldn't bank in it if I was the Boston Red Sox in 2020. I have no idea what you're losing your mind with here. They either work or they don’t.... yup, that checks out. Those are in fact the options. Congrats Dr. Kildare. There are definitive examples of this. Cases they do work, Tanaka. Cases that don't, Richards and Ohtani. No in between examples here.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS. I already said it a million times, PRP injections either work or they don't. I'm not wishing for Sale to get Tommy John surgery here, but I wouldn't bank in it if I was the Boston Red Sox in 2020. I have no idea what you're losing your mind with here.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:06:56 GMT -5
Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. You said it WASN'T used for anything but that. Which you made up. In Chris Sale's case it isn't. Sorry I'll be more specific next time.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -5
I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming. You said "There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation." Which you completely made up. You said I "ordered you" which I never did. You're making stuff up. Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
My opinion isn't perfect, but when someone tells you a order to not make definitive statements based off of probability, I think it's *perfectly* fine to call them out on it. I didn't order anything. My specific words were "Respectfully asking". Now I won't be respectful about it: Stop making shit up. It makes this board unreadable. I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:49:11 GMT -5
When the ligament is stretched, the most common procedure is reconstruction. There's no patting yourself on the back here. It's a pretty common fact. It's a pretty common fact that a lot of pitchers, including Chris Sale have gotten PRP injections without needing TJS. No it's not.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:41:50 GMT -5
The funny/sad thing will be is if Sale does need TJS eventually, pedro will strain his shoulder patting himself on the back, despite the fact that he's completely wrong about knowing a god damn thing. When the ligament is stretched, the most common procedure is reconstruction. There's no patting yourself on the back here. It's a pretty common knowledge.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:40:00 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. I can think of no other explanation for this dichotomy other than how jealous we all are of your perfect opinions. My opinion isn't perfect, but when someone tells you a order to not make definitive statements based off of probability, I think it's *perfectly* fine to call them out on it.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:26:33 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. You don't think a doctor making an "educated guess" is different than you making predictions fresh out of your appointment with Dr. Google? I think any one person can see the signs and make a pretty easy determination here Don, based on even the little information given. You don't *have* to be a doctor here and that's the point.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:23:08 GMT -5
Nah, the Colts stink and that was a horrible pick to begin with. It's a 2 QB league. I really need to know your expertise on everyone's health. You already picked the wrong one.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:22:45 GMT -5
It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. Of course you can't. You aren't a doctor and you haven't been within a mile of Chris Sale's arm or any of the tests ran on that arm. Is this a real life statement or did someone hack your account and try to make the dumbest possible comment imaginable. If so they succeeded. You don't need to be a doctor to determine a probable prognosis given the procedure we were just given. Baseball injury+ forearm+ PRP injection = just inflammation. Crap crap crap.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 15:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:19:38 GMT -5
The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale. Can you let me know what your medical opinion is of Andrew Luck's leg? Have a fantasy draft coming up and I could really use the advice of a non-doctor who has never evaluated him. Nah, the Colts stink and that was a horrible pick to begin with.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:17:56 GMT -5
Would you rather wait until he does stink and he has no value with the Boston Red Sox? It's more along the lines of making fun of the "every baseball GM is way dumber than you are" assumption. Not dumb, Dalbec's value is at third base. He'd be worth something to someone if he keeps playing third base in the minor leagues. He has zero value playing first base for the Sox. He's worth more somewhere else.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 14:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 14:46:30 GMT -5
It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Ignore the signs... like what the doctors have said. The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 14:39:51 GMT -5
ZIPS Projects Dalbec to strike out 40 percent of the time, all the time. Hitting less than .200 most of the time. An OPS of under .700 all the time. They project that the next 3 years with Dalbec. The equals out to a half win player. Add another half for defense maybe and that's a 1 win player at first base the next 3 years. The Sox can and should do a lot better than this. It's one thing if he's adding another win on defense at third base, but he has no chance at first base. Trade him while he's a top 100 prospect.
Add- I'm not a big Michael Chavis fan, but ZIPS projects even him to be a full win better than Dalbec the next 3 years. Ah, the classic "this guys sucks, trade him while he has value" gambit. Would you rather wait until he does stink and he has no value with the Boston Red Sox?
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 14:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 14:38:39 GMT -5
www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp"What is platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and what are PRP injections? Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy uses injections of a concentration of a patient’s own platelets to accelerate the healing of injured tendons, ligaments, muscles and joints. In this way, PRP injections use each individual patient's own healing system to improve musculoskeletal problems. PRP injections are prepared by taking anywhere from one to a few tubes of your own blood and running it through a centrifuge to concentrate the platelets. These activated platelets are then injected directly into your injured or diseased body tissue. This releases growth factors that stimulate and increase the number of reparative cells your body produces. Ultrasound imaging is sometimes used to guide the injection. The photographs below illustrate a PRP injection into a patient's torn tendon. The ultrasound guidance is shown at left and the injection is shown at right." It's pretty common knowledge that if it was a mild strain, this thing would just be shut down and he would be prescribed inflammatory medicine, along with rest and rehab. Chances are that this is a grade 2 ucl strain needing further treatment than just rest, rehab, and inflammatory medicine. I was recently prescribed a medication that mostly deals with rapid heart beat. If I were to tell someone what medication I'm taking they would automatically assume I have a rapid heart beat...But I don't have a rapid heart beat. I have high blood pressure. The previous medications I tried weren't helping, but this one does. My previous post didn't ask you what a PRP injection COULD be used for, or even what it most likely could be used for. Your post before this one said it COULD NOT be used to combat inflammation, and you still haven't proven that was not completely made up. You've already stated what you THINK Sale's diagnosis could be. You've made that clear and we all get it. I'm not a mod, but I am respectfully asking you to stop making declarative statements ("There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation.") when you don't actually know for certain that's what's going on. It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 6:55:20 GMT -5
ZIPS Projects Dalbec to strike out 40 percent of the time, all the time. Hitting less than .200 most of the time. An OPS of under .700 all the time. They project that the next 3 years with Dalbec.
The equals out to a half win player. Add another half for defense maybe and that's a 1 win player at first base the next 3 years.
The Sox can and should do a lot better than this. It's one thing if he's adding another win on defense at third base, but he has no chance at first base.
Trade him while he's a top 100 prospect.
Add- I'm not a big Michael Chavis fan, but ZIPS projects even him to be a full win better than Dalbec the next 3 years.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 4:10:24 GMT -5
Sale could have a stretched ligament, which is basically a ligament with small micro-tears in it.
He could also have a small tear in itself.
This is the part we don't know, but it's pretty easy to see it's not just inflammation. People with opioid addictions opt for PRP injections because it doesn't require medication after, but there's no reason to believe that Chris Sale has a drug addiction.
In other words, there's a real reason why this treatment was done. There's real damage in that arm, which is the worst news.
The good news is that there's a example of the PRP injection working with Tanaka. Yet, there's others who come out on the other side and still have to get the surgery after the PRP didn't work. Ohtani. Richards.
We will find out by spring training if it worked. If Sale is having setbacks by then, it's not a good sign because that's a sign that it didn't work. We will see. Time will definitely tell on this injury.
Simply put, this treatment will work or it won't. There's really no inbetween here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 3:44:58 GMT -5
He's not going to be worth a whole heck of a lot at first base. His value will plummet outside of third base. Who cares about a rocket arm at first base? 100% agree with that. You should be able to trade Dalbec the third baseman for a better first baseman than Dalbec the first baseman. I'd probably prefer to trade him for a arm. I'd call the Mets and see who they're willing to give up. Seth Lugo, pitching prospects, anyone of them sounds fine. They have the hole at third base too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 0:38:07 GMT -5
There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation. Could you provide a source for that? I'm not a doctor and would rather not pretend to be one, but a quick Google search says the treatment "is known to protect tissues from inflammatory damages." Do you know for a fact that this treatment would, in no way, be used in that way? www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp"What is platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and what are PRP injections? Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy uses injections of a concentration of a patient’s own platelets to accelerate the healing of injured tendons, ligaments, muscles and joints. In this way, PRP injections use each individual patient's own healing system to improve musculoskeletal problems. PRP injections are prepared by taking anywhere from one to a few tubes of your own blood and running it through a centrifuge to concentrate the platelets. These activated platelets are then injected directly into your injured or diseased body tissue. This releases growth factors that stimulate and increase the number of reparative cells your body produces. Ultrasound imaging is sometimes used to guide the injection. The photographs below illustrate a PRP injection into a patient's torn tendon. The ultrasound guidance is shown at left and the injection is shown at right." It's pretty common knowledge that if it was a mild strain, this thing would just be shut down and he would be prescribed inflammatory medicine, along with rest and rehab. Chances are that this is a grade 2 ucl strain needing further treatment than just rest, rehab, and inflammatory medicine.
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