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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 11, 2018 21:06:24 GMT -5
Right, ratings were down last year. Let's check the ol' transaction log. 12/6/16 Boston Traded Luis Alexander Basabe, Victor Diaz, Michael Kopech, and Yoan Moncada to Chicago (AL) for Chris Sale.
The Red Sox pulled off one of the biggest and most aggressive trades in franchise history on December 6 last year. Your whole theory was that ratings move depending on how fast things happen in the offseason, right? That isn't a good sign for baseball, yeap. If Chris Sale doesn't improve ratings then, it's baseball itself. So now it's not the contracts, the players, or Boras but baseball itself?
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Jan 11, 2018 12:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 11, 2018 12:16:37 GMT -5
You said CBA changes need to happen so players don't get long term contracts. Players are already not getting those right now. The waiting is proof the market is working. Why does there need to be CBA changes for something that is already happening? It makes absolutely zero sense. Again, your impatience during one offseason isn't reason enough to blow up the whole system. Either the market will return back to normal, or the players will accept the change and sign for less years. But just because the signings begin happening in January/February, instead of November/December, doesn't mean anything is broken. Then we wait until spring training and then maybe the regular season to see signings. Which means, yeap things are broken in order to sign players before the season starts. Do you think the players union is loving the fact that players are having to wait the whole off-season and into spring training to get players signed? This isn't just my impatience. This is getting noticed all around baseball and is getting talked about all around baseball. Fixing the number of years a player can sign to in a max deal would help fix all of this. Imagine the kind of stupid years Gordon Hayward would of asked in the NBA if that league let him ask however many years he wanted in a contract. But what you're describing is not the problem. It's a symptom of the problem. The NBA has capped contact length, but they also tie revenue to their salary cap (not to mention they have a salary floor). Some NBA players make more in their five year contracts than most MLB players will ever get in their lifetime. So if there is a problem, it's that MLB has artificially capped spending at a place nowhere close to their level of revenue, and some teams refuse to enter the market for no reason. The market is adjusting. That takes time. It might even take this whole offseason. But that doesn't mean sweeping changes need to be made to the CBA.
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Jan 11, 2018 10:10:48 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 11, 2018 10:10:48 GMT -5
How is the luxury tax line not tied to revenue? That's the real issue, as it seems it should be about 20 million higher, if not more. This is the exact question we should be asking, and the main part of the CBA that needs to be fixed.
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Jan 11, 2018 9:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 11, 2018 9:23:16 GMT -5
The system is in fact broken. I don't know how anyone can say the system is working when over 80 percent of the free agent class is left unsigned in the second week of January. Hey look Jay Bruce signed for 3 years. That's definitely not a trend happening in this free agency period.... Someone will eventually sign for more than 3 years this offseason, eventually....is the key word this offseason. You said CBA changes need to happen so players don't get long term contracts. Players are already not getting those right now. The waiting is proof the market is working. Why does there need to be CBA changes for something that is already happening? It makes absolutely zero sense. Again, your impatience during one offseason isn't reason enough to blow up the whole system. Either the market will return back to normal, or the players will accept the change and sign for less years. But just because the signings begin happening in January/February, instead of November/December, doesn't mean anything is broken.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 10, 2018 22:06:22 GMT -5
If that's a negotiating point for MLB during the next CBA, then there will 100% be a player strike. Why would the players EVER agree to limit their future earning potential? Because MLB will stop paying for players for years they can't produce. In fact, they ALREADY are telling the players that they aren't willing to overpay in terms of years with non superstar talent. The teams and MLB will have to give up something, like a year of control (5 years to free agency, instead of 6), but something has to give. This isn't a coincidence people in terms of what's going on. But it's like saying, "I can't stop drinking this Soda. I think the government should ban it." Just because a handful of bad contracts have been signed in the past, doesn't mean MLB should ban all contracts over a certain length going forward. Players will only get what the market says they will get, and the waiting during this off-season isn't proof the system doesn't work, it's proof that it does.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 10, 2018 21:34:34 GMT -5
If that's a negotiating point for MLB during the next CBA, then there will 100% be a player strike. Why would the players EVER agree to limit their future earning potential like that?
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 10, 2018 21:14:45 GMT -5
Mets are signing Jay Bruce to the Cherington Special. (3/39)
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 10, 2018 18:52:49 GMT -5
Why would Andrew Benintendi go to jail?
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 10, 2018 14:41:46 GMT -5
Boras strikes again!
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 9, 2018 21:41:07 GMT -5
You forgot the italics
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 9, 2018 13:33:53 GMT -5
Looks like he's AA/AAA depth. Per MLBTR, Hernandez has a strong defensive reputation, which would explain why he continues to have a job despite showing an inability to hit at AA or above. Not saying Hernandez will ever be good with the bat, but next year will only be his age 25 season, and he was in the majors by 21. That's pretty young for a catcher, especially one who had his development messed with as much as he has.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 9, 2018 11:39:00 GMT -5
How so? Darvish or Arrietta would replace Wright on the roster. It's an upgrade, sure, but not nearly the upgrade that JDM is over Brentz. Arrieta would be a huge upgrade over Wright, it's not as close as you make it sound. I still prefer JDM, but if they can land Arrieta I'm game as well. Again, I didn't say he wasn't an upgrade, but the last time Wright was healthy he was an All-Star. Brentz, so far, hasn't even proven he can stay on the 25 man roster.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 9, 2018 10:56:32 GMT -5
JDM is a better option than Bruce, going forward. Darvish or Arrietta would have a better impact for the team going forward. How so? Darvish or Arrietta would replace Wright on the roster. It's an upgrade, sure, but not nearly the upgrade that JDM is over Brentz.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 7, 2018 11:47:44 GMT -5
Good chance Doncic goes at 1, so the Celtics would have no shot at him, but if he's there, I wouldnt be surprised to see Danny move back a couple spots, grab someone who fits better, and pick up an asset for his troubles.
That's if anyone is brave enough to pick up the phone when he calls.
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Jan 7, 2018 1:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 7, 2018 1:12:32 GMT -5
I would say we should just agree to disagree, but you're now arguing with people by saying there was never a disagreement to begin with.
I'm just going to now do what jimed's did 20 posts ago. Goodnight.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 22:34:46 GMT -5
What are you even arguing? Literally no one is disputing that people sign with Boras to make more money. It's what everyone has been telling you. People sign with Boras to make more money. JDM voluntarily went to Boras because he wanted more money. How can you type a sentence that says players sign with Boras to make more money, but then blame Boras for doing exactly what the player asked him to do? I'm not arguing anything. You seemed to miss Fenway saying I was making things up and you acting like I said something I never did. Do you think Martinez just signed with Boras without talking to him? Unless you do, I'm not sure what you are arguing about. You're just being ridiculous now. This was the comment I originally replied to... You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market. You specifically said Boras is to blame. He's not. Boras didn't have to tell Martinez that he would get him a lot of money...Martinez already knew it. That's why Martinez called him in the first place. You're doing the equivalent of blaming your waitress for telling you the price on your steak went up. It's not the waitress' fault, and it's not Boras' fault. And you did make stuff up. Almost the entire rest of the post I just linked was you making up a hypothetical and saying that even if Martinez wanted to sign early in the off-season, Boras wouldn't have let him. That didn't happen. You made it up just like Fenway said you did.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 17:43:48 GMT -5
I don't know how Gruden can be rated at all. Unless you count the QB camp thing he does, he's been out of the league so long that he's basically nothing but a wild card. I wouldn't be surprised to see him with the Raiders for most, if not all, of the next 10 years, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him fired within his first four.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 17:32:08 GMT -5
Dude unless you and JD Martinez are besties, you’re just making stuff up at this point. Drawing the same conclusion 15 different baseball writers and experts did. You don't sign with Boras right before free agency for any other reason than money and a bigger contract. Then right after Boras is calling him the King Kong of Slug and throwing out 7 years 200 million. Do you really think he didn't pitch that to Martinez? What are you even arguing? Literally no one is disputing that people sign with Boras to make more money. It's what everyone has been telling you. People sign with Boras to make more money. JDM voluntarily went to Boras because he wanted more money. How can you type a sentence that says players sign with Boras to make more money, but then blame Boras for doing exactly what the player asked him to do?
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 15:21:01 GMT -5
The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract? How do you look if you don't know where you will be playing? Lets look at places in ten cities? Then bam a team like Cleveland comes out of no where and shocks baseball like last year with EE. The horror of trying to find a place to live with an almost unlimited budget.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 14:56:08 GMT -5
Scott Boras does not tell his clients what to do. He advises them on what he would recommend they do, but his clients always have the final say. As a matter of professional ethics, you can bet that every firm offer a team has made to one of his clients have been passed along to those clients and that those clients (not Boras) are the ones who have made the decision to wait and see if they can get a better offer. One of the under-the-radar things that Boras does is take the heat off his clients for wanting to maximize their pay. He takes all the heat so they don’t have to. If J.D. Martinez wanted to sign in Boston for what they’ve offered, he would have done so already. You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market. The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract?
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Jan 6, 2018 13:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 13:14:54 GMT -5
And? That's like someone saying "The housing market is bad" and coming back with, "That can't be right. I just got a great deal on a TV." The one reliever that hasn't signed is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland. Again, what does this have to do with anything? Do you think Holland will stay unsigned through Spring Training? If the answer is no, then what does it matter? Edit: And for the record, the only other true closer on the market still hasn't officially signed his contract, and only agreed to terms last week. The market is slow. Get used to it. Edit2: And Reed, who last I checked is another top tier reliever, also hasn't signed.
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Jan 6, 2018 13:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 13:08:39 GMT -5
This a million times. The reason Boras' clients haven't signed this off-season is because NO ONE has signed this off-season. Relievers have signed. And? That's like someone saying "The housing market is bad" and coming back with, "That can't be right. I just got a great deal on a TV."
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 11:29:14 GMT -5
Scott Boras is not half as interesting as you people want him to be. This a million times. The reason Boras' clients haven't signed this off-season is because NO ONE has signed this off-season.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 5, 2018 1:22:55 GMT -5
Here's a question. If the Celtics use the injured player exception, does that prevent Hayward's return or does that mean the player signed under the exception must be released if Hayward is ready? Hayward returning would not do anything to the exception or the player they will use it on. They are completely unrelated at this point.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 3, 2018 18:35:44 GMT -5
Last year was one of the more enjoyable seasons in a while, solely because I didn't have to watch Buchholz play catch with the first baseman 30 times an inning. Even if Buchholz got back to normal, I'd rather not see him back in Boston.
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