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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 16:23:00 GMT -5
Here's hoping Ranaudo has his A game tonight!
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 16:21:02 GMT -5
MlbPipeline has him behind Owens, Webster, Ranaudo but ahead of Escobar, Johnson and Barnes as one sites thoughts.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 16:14:09 GMT -5
What do you expect to be the time frame in which Ben tries to extend Cespedes? Spring Training, likely? What do you think an extension in Spring Training would look like? 4 years and 75 mil?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 16:02:24 GMT -5
For me I'd have needed the Comp A pick to make this deal balance out as a neutral.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 15:43:48 GMT -5
Apparently Arizona is a fool for Pete Obriens power because that is what they got for Prado and a player to be named or cash.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:58:14 GMT -5
Not as much as I thought for TB if so as far as upside.
Seattle had to give up Peterson or someone.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:56:45 GMT -5
Maybe Seattle gets Nick Castellanos or Drew Smyly plus a few prospects here.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:54:33 GMT -5
Justin Verlander said this trade was made because of the A's.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:53:17 GMT -5
If a third team was not involved I can't imagine the Rays got anything too amazing for Price. Maybe Smyly? Rumor was Seattle may be third team. walker or Peterson possibly but what did they get from Detroit if so?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:51:55 GMT -5
Bogaerts & B Holt to short, and WMB/BN Holt to 3B for rest of season For Drew, presumably picking up most of salary. Any prospect of minor quality? Where you playing Kelly Johnson? OF?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:28:35 GMT -5
So Owens to AAA and Rodriguez takes his AA slot?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 9:26:47 GMT -5
Fangraphs has Cespedes at a 113 Wrc+ and 2.3 WAR to this point in 2014. Let's see what benefit if any Fenway brings to these numbers.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 9:14:45 GMT -5
Does it make more sense that a Lackey return will be for a pitcher now? It increases them in my mind. Miller plus or Kingham plus? Will Owens finally move to AAA? Stay tuned.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 8:59:52 GMT -5
Baseball Reference shows arb eligible in 16 and 17 and a free agent in 18 for what it's worth. If it's three years of control for a mostly full time OF with some power plus a 2nd round comp pick that's a solid return for a two month rental. Plus we don't have to watch Gomes field anymore.
Edit: Nevermind BR then. Still solid deal but would have liked a low level lotto ticket added.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 16:19:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure it isn't more Boston and Oakland one on one but again it's quantity over quality if so.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 16:04:48 GMT -5
If there is a mystery team the Washington Nationals make sense. Just spitballing I've been wondering about them. There 1- 5 is very solid on paper but undoubtedly benefits from playing in the NL East. Gio and Strasburg have been solid but arguably there least effective pitchers with Zimmerman, Fister and Roark putting up better numbers. I think their line-up has a chance to round into form if they get Zimmerman back by mid Sept, they have a good bullpen but as strong/deep as that rotation has been I'm not sure they'd necessarily do well against better line-ups that can hit and take pitches (Gio/Strasburg could be done in 5). Still think Beltre would be a better target for their prospects with Zimmerman done for awhile.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 15:44:14 GMT -5
Just so this doesn't turn into Arrieta part 2 because we'll never hear the end to the complaints.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 15:13:06 GMT -5
Maybe Baltimore is getting Lester and someone like Tommy Milone from Oakland to revamp the rotation and they will then part with Bundy plus (Cisco/ C Walker/ Marin). Perhaps we send Oakland a reliever and Baltimore sends a piece to Oakland. Totally non factual speculation on my part so it is what it is but as good as the twitter guesses.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 14:55:28 GMT -5
Not that we need a catcher but I like Chance Sisco.
If Baltimore doesn't have enough then you have to imagine they aren't putting Gausman, Bundy or Harvey on the table unless Ben really is getting two top tier prospects back.
Who is this mysterious third team?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 14:25:48 GMT -5
You know it would be someone like Eduardo Rodriguez from Baltimore because I don't see Duquette caving on the trio. If he did my bet would be he lets Harvey go first.
Note: I wouldn't do Lester for any less then one of the top three. Also this is exactly the best time for Baltimore to go for it. Their best window is this year and next then the offense declines or gets very expensive even though the pitching could be better.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 13:58:01 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox can take action to secure his rights if he chooses to sit out while healthy. You can't just choose to not play and become a free agent the next season. Someone with insight into the CBA can hopefully help us out. We've already discussed this extensively. Someone even emailed MLB and was answered. Regardless, I don't think he'd ever sit out for any reason. Sorry, must have missed this. Any idea which thread and time frame?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 13:35:49 GMT -5
Now Cleveland can deal Frazier plus to Boston for Lackey and boom they have a veteran upgrade to the pitching staff and an OFer, Ramsey, two years closer to the Majors.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 13:30:12 GMT -5
Return for Masterson pretty underwhelming IMO. Takes a contender out of the mix for Lester/Lackey and doesn't exactly make other teams increase their offer. Not a good development for the Sox. I don't know. For a team known for a quality farm system he was their current #6 prospect , with Tavares and Wong no longer counting, and has had a productive season to date in AA, .300/.389/.527 with 13 long balls and 31 BB's to 66 Ks. Consider high character also for what it's worth. All for a rental having a very poor season as a whole. How is Lester not worth Piscotty plus in that world?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 12:29:36 GMT -5
If he sat out a year, wouldn't the Sox keep his rights at that contract figure until he played? I don't think he could just sit out like that... Supposedly, he'd be a free agent. I just don't see how he could do it and still be a good pitcher. I think the Red Sox can take action to secure his rights if he chooses to sit out while healthy. You can't just choose to not play and become a free agent the next season. Someone with insight into the CBA can hopefully help us out.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 11:38:26 GMT -5
If they did trade Lackey and Lester together that would mean they should get something better than Addison Russell. Oh baby. This was my first reaction too. It still probably should exceed the Cubs haul from Oak as I'd put the quality of pitchers above that of a Shark/Hammel combo and Lackey is dang cheap and a candidate for a team friendly extension given his circumstances. The one issue that crossed my mine is Shark gives Oak options to flip him in the off season or collect a QO while Lester does not and presumably Lackey isn't worth one after the 2015 season. Edit: this is under the assumption they move them together to the same team. However this dynamic IMO significantly reduces the likelihood of resigning Lester if he is in fact good friends with Lackey and said team has money to spend.
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