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Workman and Brock Huntzinger
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Post by donzimmerko on Jul 28, 2013 11:34:49 GMT -5
Hey everybody! This is my first post, and I apologize if it is not in the right area... but here goes.
What is with everyone not trusting Workman? On a lot of threads I see people talking about involving him in a trade for Jake Peavy.. He has done nothing but pitch lights out since being called up. He works hard, he throws hard, and he is a pitcher... I for one want the Red Sox to avoid trading ANYBODY from their system, unless it is a 2nd tier prospect, and no pitchers.. Even if Workman has a rough patch, this is great experience for him, and he will only get better with the head he has on his shoulders.
Also... when do you guys think we will get a glimpse of Brock Huntzinger?? He is pitching very well in Pawtucket, and the Sox need bullpen depth. Why not give him a shot? I saw him pitch for Lowell up in Vermont.. nothing that will blow you away, but he knows how to pitch, and he mixes his stuff well.
What do you guys think?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 28, 2013 13:11:42 GMT -5
What is with everyone not trusting Workman? On a lot of threads I see people talking about involving him in a trade for Jake Peavy.. He has done nothing but pitch lights out since being called up. He works hard, he throws hard, and he is a pitcher... I for one want the Red Sox to avoid trading ANYBODY from their system, unless it is a 2nd tier prospect, and no pitchers.. Even if Workman has a rough patch, this is great experience for him, and he will only get better with the head he has on his shoulders. Also... when do you guys think we will get a glimpse of Brock Huntzinger?? He is pitching very well in Pawtucket, and the Sox need bullpen depth. Why not give him a shot? I saw him pitch for Lowell up in Vermont.. nothing that will blow you away, but he knows how to pitch, and he mixes his stuff well. Welcome to the site! Workman - I don't think it is a matter of not trusting him; it is a matter of whether Workman represents a "sell high" prospect, given his smooth transition to the big club. Personally, I think Ranaudo is more likely to be traded than Workman. (I think the attitude that we should not trade anyone from our system is understandable but misguided. The role of a farm system is to provide players to the big club, whether by promotion or trade. Some attrition of prospects is expected and needed.) Huntzinger - I am a fan, but unfortunately I do not think he will get his chance with the Red Sox and expect that he will leave as a minor league free agent in search of a major league spring training invite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 13:40:32 GMT -5
Im on board with donzimmerko. Why trade prospects for Peavy? I DO NOT want Peavy. He has only one good year since 2009, (2012) and he has a 4.28 ERA this year. That will not get any better in a high pressure situation, such as in Boston. Additionally, he has allowed 13 earned runs in 9.2 innings pitched in the post season (2 starts). How will that help the Red Sox win the world series? Workman is clearly major-league ready and can make a big impact on the big club. Also, Ranaudo has had a great year in Portland. Why trade him? He is a future #2 starter. He will be MLB ready next year. Workman can take over until Buchholz is back from the DL.
If the Sox trade for Peavy (I really don't want them to), who will leave the rotation when Buchholz is back from the DL? Lackey and Lester are staying for sure. Doubront has been pitching WAY too well to be kicked out of the rotation. Since May 16, he has a 2.71 ERA with 68 strike-outs in 79.2 innings. He is also averaging over 6 innings per start in that time period. He has been way too good to leave the rotation. He has only one start this year with more than 3 earned runs allowed. He should stay in the rotation. End of discussion. Dempster has been way worse. Since May 12, he has a 4.96 ERA and only averaging 5.5 innings per start in that time period. I don't care if he is a veteran or how much he is making, I would move Dempster in the bullpen in a heartbeat. I'm sure he would be a decent middle reliever. He has spent four full years in the bullpen in his career already.
In conclusion, if Peavy is traded for (Again, I don't want that to happen), Dempster would have to be out of the rotation. Lester and Lackey stay no matter what. Even though Doubront is young, since mid-May, he is averaging more than TWO less earned runs per nine innings than Dempster, and .5 more innings per start.
Bottom Line: DON'T TRADE FOR PEAVY
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 28, 2013 13:51:20 GMT -5
I doubt Ranaudo is ever a future #2 starter.
We often tend to overrate our own prospects.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 28, 2013 14:17:02 GMT -5
Im on board with donzimmerko. Why trade prospects for Peavy? I DO NOT want Peavy. He has only one good year since 2009, (2012) and he has a 4.28 ERA this year. That will not get any better in a high pressure situation, such as in Boston. Additionally, he has allowed 13 earned runs in 9.2 innings pitched in the post season (2 starts). How will that help the Red Sox win the world series? Workman is clearly major-league ready and can make a big impact on the big club. Also, Ranaudo has had a great year in Portland. Why trade him? He is a future #2 starter. He will be MLB ready next year. Workman can take over until Buchholz is back from the DL. If the Sox trade for Peavy (I really don't want them to), who will leave the rotation when Buchholz is back from the DL? Lackey and Lester are staying for sure. Doubront has been pitching WAY too well to be kicked out of the rotation. Since May 16, he has a 2.71 ERA with 68 strike-outs in 79.2 innings. He is also averaging over 6 innings per start in that time period. He has been way too good to leave the rotation. He has only one start this year with more than 3 earned runs allowed. He should stay in the rotation. End of discussion. Dempster has been way worse. Since May 12, he has a 4.96 ERA and only averaging 5.5 innings per start in that time period. I don't care if he is a veteran or how much he is making, I would move Dempster in the bullpen in a heartbeat. I'm sure he would be a decent middle reliever. He has spent four full years in the bullpen in his career already. In conclusion, if Peavy is traded for (Again, I don't want that to happen), Dempster would have to be out of the rotation. Lester and Lackey stay no matter what. Even though Doubront is young, since mid-May, he is averaging more than TWO less earned runs per nine innings than Dempster, and .5 more innings per start. Bottom Line: DON'T TRADE FOR PEAVY Let me make sure I got this right....don't trade for Peavy? You certainly made your point. I'm with you with respect to the cost. |
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Post by jbberlo22 on Jul 28, 2013 14:48:17 GMT -5
Im on board with donzimmerko. Why trade prospects for Peavy? I DO NOT want Peavy. He has only one good year since 2009, (2012) and he has a 4.28 ERA this year. That will not get any better in a high pressure situation, such as in Boston. Additionally, he has allowed 13 earned runs in 9.2 innings pitched in the post season (2 starts). How will that help the Red Sox win the world series? Workman is clearly major-league ready and can make a big impact on the big club. Also, Ranaudo has had a great year in Portland. Why trade him? He is a future #2 starter. He will be MLB ready next year. Workman can take over until Buchholz is back from the DL. If the Sox trade for Peavy (I really don't want them to), who will leave the rotation when Buchholz is back from the DL? Lackey and Lester are staying for sure. Doubront has been pitching WAY too well to be kicked out of the rotation. Since May 16, he has a 2.71 ERA with 68 strike-outs in 79.2 innings. He is also averaging over 6 innings per start in that time period. He has been way too good to leave the rotation. He has only one start this year with more than 3 earned runs allowed. He should stay in the rotation. End of discussion. Dempster has been way worse. Since May 12, he has a 4.96 ERA and only averaging 5.5 innings per start in that time period. I don't care if he is a veteran or how much he is making, I would move Dempster in the bullpen in a heartbeat. I'm sure he would be a decent middle reliever. He has spent four full years in the bullpen in his career already. In conclusion, if Peavy is traded for (Again, I don't want that to happen), Dempster would have to be out of the rotation. Lester and Lackey stay no matter what. Even though Doubront is young, since mid-May, he is averaging more than TWO less earned runs per nine innings than Dempster, and .5 more innings per start. Bottom Line: DON'T TRADE FOR PEAVY I dont want to trade for peavy either but these are not the reasons why. Peavy is a solid starter and would be a very solid #3 for now in our rotation. His two postseason games is not a good way to predict how he will do in the postseason. But still considering we would need to give up multiple good prospects, for this reason, i do not want to even though he is a solid pitcher |
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Post by gator39 on Jul 28, 2013 15:34:50 GMT -5
It's actually 3 bad postseason starts. He also got hammered in a one game playoff vs the Rockies in 2007 if I remember correctly. I don't want Peavy at all. Why trade good prospects for a guy who would not even be in our playoff rotation? We can get by with Workman until Buchholz comes back. Also all 5 of our starters are under contract for next year already. Plus Workman, Wright, Webster, De la Rosa, Britton & Ranaudo could all be ready to help at some point next season if not already. No reason to lock ourselves into another starting pitcher.
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Post by donzimmerko on Jul 28, 2013 17:09:25 GMT -5
Thanks AMFox! I have been following this site for almost 5 years, and I figured it is time to become a member haha.
Anyways, I am not saying that all of our prospects should be untouchable... but for Jake Peavy?? C'mon. I think giving one of our kids a shot is more valuable than trading for a middle rotation starter, with an injury history, who is really not having a great year to be honest. I do think that Jake Peavy is a good pitcher, but I think that the Red Sox are playing fine, and would rather them roll the dice on this year, and keep all of their kids, then trade 2-3 of them for a very uncertain pitcher who is pitching mediocre on a bad team..
I am all for trading prospects, for the right players.. This is not the right player. I was all for the A-Gon trade, sure we gave away a great 1st basemen, and a top of the rotation starter, but we got a proven star in return although it didn't work out..
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2013 17:25:33 GMT -5
Im on board with donzimmerko. Why trade prospects for Peavy? I DO NOT want Peavy. He has only one good year since 2009, (2012) and he has a 4.28 ERA this year. That will not get any better in a high pressure situation, such as in Boston. Additionally, he has allowed 13 earned runs in 9.2 innings pitched in the post season (2 starts). How will that help the Red Sox win the world series? ... Peavy did not give up 8 runs in 4 innings his first post-season start in 2005 because he cannot handle pressure. He pitched poorly because he had a broken rib, suffered in the celebration for getting into the playoffs. I do not know why he gave up 5 runs in 5 innings the next year. But I think those two appearances are pretty poor evidence for how he would pitch in the post-season--except that we know he's willing to pitch when hurt. That quality seemed attractive in 2004. |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 28, 2013 17:28:03 GMT -5
I am all for trading prospects, for the right players.. This is not the right player. I was all for the A-Gon trade, sure we gave away a great 1st basemen, and a top of the rotation starter, but we got a proven star in return although it didn't work out.. In retrospect, that trade was not good for either team. 12/6/10 - Gonzalez traded from SD to BOS for Rizzo, Kelly and Fuentes 1/6/12 - Rizzo traded from SD to CHC for Cashner (with minor leaguers going both ways) Kelly had TJ and is out for 2013 Fuentes is in his second season at AA (but he's still only 22) 8/25/12 - Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett and Punto traded from BOS to LAD for Webster, De La Rosa and three other minor leaguers Essentially, we traded Rizzo, Kelly and Fuentes for Webster, De La Rosa and salary relief. Essentially, SD traded Gonzalez for Cashner (who looks like a 3/4 starter at best), Kelly (who will be 25 in 2015 when he is a year past TJ recovery) and Fuentes (who is 22 and likely will have a cup of coffee in AAA before the end of the year). |
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Post by donzimmerko on Jul 28, 2013 18:32:22 GMT -5
Yes that is easy to say in hindsight, I understand that. But you never know what is going to happen to prospects, and we never knew that the 2012 version of the Red Sox would be a soap opera.. so I don't think it is fair to base a trades quality on what teams decided to do after the fact..
First and for most the trade was a quality trade for both teams, it is too bad that Kelly ended up with TJ, and they found out that Fuentes is really not a great player.. Also too bad they traded Rizzo.. but again that is irrelevant to the actual trade between the Padres and the Red Sox.
Also the trade for Victor Martinez comes to mind... Hagadone, Masterson, and Bryan Price.. That was a fair trade for an elite player who drastically changed the Red Sox that year, and again was only a rental. Jake Peavy is not this type of game changer, and I am nervous for what they may give away for him is all.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 29, 2013 14:11:53 GMT -5
I mean, it still depends on whether Rizzo, Kelly, Fuentes, Webster, and RDLR work out (for the Sox.) The Rizzo/Cashner thing was weird to me, as far as SD goes.
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Post by tomricardo on Jul 30, 2013 10:04:17 GMT -5
I don't see how you are down on Kelly but cool with Rubby de la Rosa
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Post by alnipper on Jul 30, 2013 10:52:15 GMT -5
It's so easy to get off trade topics. Huntzinger is a perfect player to trade this season. I feel less of a need to trade for anybody right now. I think Workman can handle the number 5 spot until teams see him the second time around. That I feel will be his next big test to be a starter or reliever. Keep in mind Morales should be ready shortly for more depth if Workman fails.
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