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Post by cba82 on Aug 1, 2013 9:25:54 GMT -5
Is it too soon to declare Williams Jerez a bust? He's 1 for his last 37, has a .360 OPS for the season, and is not an everyday player for Lowell (where he is repeating the level).
What did the Sox see in him when they drafted him in the second round in 2011 and gave him a $400K+ signing bonus? Thanks.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2013 9:34:08 GMT -5
He's a very good athlete and has intriguing tools (potentially plus batspeed, potential to stick in CF) but is incredibly raw at the plate. There's always a chance he breaks out a la Henry Ramos (although Ramos was never as bad as Jerez is now), and Jerez is only 21. But he has seriously struggled offensively so far, and has shown little improvement this year.
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 1, 2013 9:36:04 GMT -5
I really liked his body type when drafted. He seemed very athletic and had a matured frame. Too bad his hitting has been putrid.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Aug 1, 2013 10:06:41 GMT -5
Didn't like the pick at the time, or the Weems pick, still don't agree with them.
Austin Hedges could be in our system right now. That draft was stacked.
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Post by raftsox on Aug 1, 2013 14:46:37 GMT -5
Is it too soon to declare Williams Jerez a bust? He's 1 for his last 37, has a .360 OPS for the season, and is not an everyday player for Lowell (where he is repeating the level). What did the Sox see in him when they drafted him in the second round in 2011 and gave him a $400K+ signing bonus? Thanks. Forget not the lessons learned from Tiger Death House.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 1, 2013 14:48:16 GMT -5
Austin Hedges could be in our system right now. That draft was stacked. There were rumors of us being interested in both him and Swihart too. It's another 3 mil to pay that year though so I don't think it would've happened and that's probably why it didn't. Just because there wasn't a hard cap on spending doesn't mean they don't have there own self imposed one. I was okay with the pick. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. He was a second round pick where you could've played it safe and gone for somebody who'd move through the system and today may be a potential bullpen arm down the road in the second round I like the high upside guys and he had little to no risk because of what he signed for. Its not over for him yet but it is looking pretty bleak. To me it doesn't matter where they flame out though if they flame out then they flame out. I'll still pull for the kid.
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Post by dcdeuces2 on Aug 1, 2013 15:54:30 GMT -5
Is it too soon to declare Williams Jerez a bust? He's 1 for his last 37, has a .360 OPS for the season, and is not an everyday player for Lowell (where he is repeating the level). What did the Sox see in him when they drafted him in the second round in 2011 and gave him a $400K+ signing bonus? Thanks. I agree with everything you said... For the record, he's 5 for his last 37. But still. Didn't like the pick then and still don't like it. Very raw but is a fantastic athlete.
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Post by amfox1 on May 22, 2014 13:58:23 GMT -5
Jon Boswell ? theboz423 41m Looks like Williams Jerez has made the move to the mound after back-to-back seasons in the outfield for the #Spinners
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 22, 2014 16:28:59 GMT -5
Interesting move back to the mound. Hopefully we can salvage something out of him. Are there any reports of what he has to offer as a pitcher?
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 6, 2014 12:21:59 GMT -5
It is time to say that Williams Jerez is standing very good numbers as a reliever in his first year after converting to pitcher ...
Today 3IP 1H 0BB 7K
Showing particularly good control of his pitches.
What can we expect from it?
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Aug 6, 2014 15:48:12 GMT -5
He is obviously a better LHP than hitter!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 6, 2014 15:52:20 GMT -5
He's Trey Ball's alter-ego. Or nemesis.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 6, 2014 16:01:10 GMT -5
Just when you thought the 2011 draft couldn't get better....
Just wondering what is his projection? Very little information out there for him as a pitcher. Will he ever get the chance to start or do they want to move him up as a reliever. Great sign when some who just converted to pitching is showing good command.
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Post by jmei on Aug 6, 2014 16:27:42 GMT -5
Not sure anyone has gotten eyes on him, we'll probably have to wait until Fall Instructs or Spring Training 2015 before someone can see him. While the fact that he's striking guys out and not giving up many walks are both positive signs (8.44 K/9, 2.11 BB/9), it's hard to conclude anything beyond a general sort of optimism based only on GCL box scores. ADD: for what it's worth, there is a very cursory scouting report of him as a pitcher on his player page: www.soxprospects.com/players/jerez-williams.htm
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2014 17:26:52 GMT -5
He's definitely improving (BB+% includes HB):
What ERA OBP SA K% BB+% BABIP GB% First 3 games 4.50 .351 .324 .108 .081 .333 .433 Next 3 games 1.08 .314 .313 .229 .086 .333 .462 Last 3 games 1.13 .111 .077 .556 .037 .182 .727
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 6, 2014 19:05:48 GMT -5
As mentioned in the gameday thread, he's been throwing on a piggyback starter schedule and has been ramping up his innings. I've been toying with moving him on the roster page to reflect that* and today is probably the tipping point. Tough to know what to make of what he's done so far. He hasn't made himself a prospect yet, but he's now certainly someone to watch.
* - the whole piggyback thing is weird sometimes. You get it sometimes when there are more than five starters at a level (see Cuevas in Salem, or Gomez in Greenville), sometimes it's a reliever who is working long outings on a starter's schedule (Aro this year, Jeremiah Bayer in past years) and sometimes it's a guy in the GCL building up innings (Speier this year). Can be tough to define sometimes.
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Post by godot on Aug 6, 2014 19:27:54 GMT -5
He is a tough one to figure unless you see him in action. We are probably disposed not to take him seriously because of the switch, and although the stats are good at this level, you still want to see what he does at a higher level. Still, watching him will tell you about poise, ability to locate, change speeds and locations. Although he can't be that refined at this stage, you can still tell something about his potential here. I thought I read something reporting that he pitched as a teenager.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 7, 2014 6:53:26 GMT -5
Could be a candidate for system Comeback Player of the Year. But then again, what is he coming back from, his pre-draft ratings?
Still, encouraging stats especially his stingy BB totals.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 7, 2014 8:31:13 GMT -5
Just when you thought the 2011 draft couldn't get better.... Just wondering what is his projection? Very little information out there for him as a pitcher. Will he ever get the chance to start or do they want to move him up as a reliever. Great sign when some who just converted to pitching is showing good command. Position player conversions are almost always put on a reliever track for the simply because you can only hold onto a minor leaguer for so long. You're dealing with a player who's already eaten up a bunch of his years of minor league control without getting any pro experience as a pitcher, and now you've only got a few years to get that guy to the point where he's worth a spot on the 40-man. If the guy is successful enough as a reliever in the majors, at that point a team can succumb to the temptation to convert him to a starter and completely ruin him...
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 7, 2014 12:37:37 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 7, 2014 14:29:19 GMT -5
A correction to the article: he's a lefty. Also, I wouldn't discount his performance because he's 22 in the GCL. The one study I did of this, using top pitching prospects, indicated that age was very likely a proxy for experience. That, of course, makes sense given that pitchers probably peak physically around the age of 20 or 21 (check Doc Gooden's career). I had a handful of guys (including Buchholz) who had started pitching late or had had career interruptions (or had simply always been a year old or young for their level, starting in HS), and the whole data set made more sense when guys were put in columns by year-of-experience than by age. In fact, given that he apparently hasn't pitched since he emigrated to the U.S. from the Dominican, and definitely didn't pitch his senior year in HS, his "experience-equivalent age" is more like 18, though he's physically mature as most 18 year-old's aren't. I would regard him as age 19 or 20.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2014 14:31:40 GMT -5
Derek Lowe wasn't a full-time starter (in the majors) until he was 29.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2014 23:08:23 GMT -5
Up to Lowell today and we got a dose of Wild Williams. 2-1-2-2-4-2
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