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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2013 13:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by cpredsox on Aug 12, 2013 13:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by cpredsox on Aug 12, 2013 13:22:04 GMT -5
Sorry about that double thread, didn't see your thread.
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 12, 2013 13:25:48 GMT -5
I love comps. Don't know why. Adam Everett's bat with Nomar's glove? Simply Nomar-lite (very, very, lite)?
Encouraging either way.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 12, 2013 13:28:26 GMT -5
I love comps. Don't know why. Adam Everett's bat with Nomar's glove? Simply Nomar-lite (very, vetu, lite)? Encouraging either way. Why would Adam Everett's O and Nomar's D be encouraging? Sounds like a terrible hitter with below average defensive skills. EDIT: My comment on Nomar"s D may have been harsh after looking at the numbers. |
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 12, 2013 13:39:04 GMT -5
Early in his career, I always thought of Nomar as an above average defensive SS (to the naked eye...ignoring stats) who would 1) make errors on plays others didn't get too, and 2) boot routine plays because of focus issues. Sounded a lot like Marerro's scouting report.
Everett's bat is obviously a bad thing.
I'm also considering height as all three guys are 6' or taller.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 12, 2013 13:55:13 GMT -5
Early in his career, I always thought of Nomar as an above average defensive SS (to the naked eye...ignoring stats) who would 1) make errors on plays others didn't get too, and 2) boot routine plays because of focus issues. Sounded a lot like Marerro's scouting report. Everett's bat is obviously a bad thing. I'm also considering height as all three guys are 6' or taller. Fair enough. Now if we can only find a SS with Nomar's O and Everett's D. That would be encouraging. |
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Post by jdb on Aug 12, 2013 16:47:48 GMT -5
I like being aggressive with him. Seems to have a good approach and can take a BB. Combine above average D with the ability to get on base as a SS and you get a pretty good player.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 12, 2013 17:10:55 GMT -5
I like being aggressive with him. Seems to have a good approach and can take a BB. Combine above average D with the ability to get on base as a SS and you get a pretty good player. Promotion seems a little forced and rushed to me, but with Xander leaving and opening the hole, what else could the organization do? Given that Marrero didn't overwhelm A+, I just hope AA doesn't completely overwhelm him. It could be that, as Iglesias light, his defense will to some extent force advancement beyond the level his offense can compfortably handle. |
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Post by godot on Aug 12, 2013 17:50:07 GMT -5
Why surprised? He is now 23 and played in a good college league. The surprise was why they started him so low, but given his hitting skills, it made sense. Seems like he is advanced defensively and carries himself well. Might as well get a better sense of his hitting ability at this level and groom him for 2015, either a utility guy. Who knows they may want an option at short if they beleive X-Man is a better option at third than Middlebrooks.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 12, 2013 18:39:08 GMT -5
I love comps. Don't know why. Adam Everett's bat with Nomar's glove? Simply Nomar-lite (very, very, lite)? Encouraging either way. You should look things up before you make stupid comments. He played 85 games in Salem this year and made 4 errors. Yeah, four!! Average defense, eh? Hope you bring more to the table than that in the future. |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 12, 2013 18:45:55 GMT -5
I love comps. Don't know why. Adam Everett's bat with Nomar's glove? Simply Nomar-lite (very, very, lite)? Encouraging either way. You should look things up before you make stupid comments. He played 85 games in Salem this year and made 4 errors. Yeah, four!! Average defense, eh? Hope you bring more to the table than that in the future. This is pretty harsh language, coming from a person using a statistic, number of errors, that most people on this list look at as fairly insignificant. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 12, 2013 19:00:27 GMT -5
You should look things up before you make stupid comments. He played 85 games in Salem this year and made 4 errors. Yeah, four!! Average defense, eh? Hope you bring more to the table than that in the future. This is pretty harsh language, coming from a person using a statistic, number of errors, that most people on this list look at as fairly insignificant. 4 errors in 85 games is significant in any universe. For a shortstop. Even the sabremetric ones. Throw in all of the reports raving about his fielding and I rest my case. |
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Post by mainesox on Aug 12, 2013 19:10:36 GMT -5
This is pretty harsh language, coming from a person using a statistic, number of errors, that most people on this list look at as fairly insignificant. 4 errors in 85 games is significant in any universe. For a shortstop. Even the sabremetric ones. Throw in all of the reports raving about his fielding and I rest my case. It doesn't matter if you are right, you still don't need to be an ass. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 12, 2013 19:24:14 GMT -5
I love comps. Don't know why. Adam Everett's bat with Nomar's glove? Simply Nomar-lite (very, very, lite)? Encouraging either way. You should look things up before you make stupid comments. He played 85 games in Salem this year and made 4 errors. Yeah, four!! Average defense, eh? Hope you bring more to the table than that in the future. What am I missing? When did Sarcasmo even refer to Marrero has being average defensively? He referred to Nomar's D and called it above average... |
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Post by elguapo on Aug 12, 2013 19:40:57 GMT -5
Promotion seems a little forced and rushed to me, If they waited for him to hit at A ball I suspect he would remain there a good while. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 13, 2013 3:19:33 GMT -5
Promotion seems a little forced and rushed to me, If they waited for him to hit at A ball I suspect he would remain there a good while. Agreed. To me it's one of those Britton/Renfroe like promotions where they are forcing a player to perform when there is -0- history of it ever happening before, except in Marrero's case? It even dates back to college with wooden bats. Still maintain that was one of the shakiest 1st round picks the team has made in decades, considering how high they picked in '11 and that is contributing somewhat to this promotion. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 13, 2013 7:05:05 GMT -5
Does this mean that Jose Vinicio carries his .216 BA and .250 OBP up a level?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2013 8:51:57 GMT -5
Does this mean that Jose Vinicio carries his .216 BA and .250 OBP up a level? Really? He's practically been benched in Greenville. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2013 8:54:20 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of posts into the throwdown forum to keep things on-topic.
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2013 8:58:55 GMT -5
I don't understand the Marrero-bashing. Sure, he wasn't tearing up the league and he wasn't hitting for much power, but he was hitting around average for the Carolina league (94 wRC+), getting on-base at a decent clip, playing very good defense, and stealing bases at a super efficient rate (21 for 23). He strikes out a little more than he should, considering his lack of power, but his ability to play above-average defense at SS and maintain a half-decent OBP is enough to make him a borderline starting SS or good utility player at least, which is a very solid floor. If he adds some strength or improves his plate discipline a smidge, he could very well be a JBJ-type player at a position where the offensive bar is not set very high.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 13, 2013 9:10:59 GMT -5
Every year there are a group of prospects that fall of the face of prospectum and others who tear down walls and shoot up rankings. These are young athletes moving up the learning curve, and it's not linear.
I'm not saying that Marrero's stock hasn't dropped (because obviously it has) and his year has been very discouraging for a #1 draft pick. However I wouldn't be surprised if he comes roaring back next year and tears up Portland (with good D and doubles). I'm not betting on it, but it wouldn't the least bit surprise me.
So, he may not be the sexiest prospect.....but he's still someone worth following.
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 13, 2013 9:24:26 GMT -5
It was still unnecessarily harsh, and your tone is still condescending. This. And you failed to read my more recent post explaining that when I compared his defense to Nomar, I considered Nomar's defense above average. No hard feelings on my end, but you may want to choose your words better. |
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Post by elguapo on Aug 13, 2013 9:32:57 GMT -5
I don't understand the Marrero-bashing. He has shown very little evidence that he can hit. His line at Salem was not strong but it's been even worse from May onward, which doesn't show evidence of progress (maybe it was there but not in the numbers?) My hope is that he will remain competitive at the plate up the ladder and replicate his line from A ball in the majors some day - but that's not a leap of faith I'd bank on. Your hope (JBJ equivalent!?) is rather more ambitious it seems. This is still his first full year as a pro, so maybe he can make a leap forward next year. And yes, everyone already knows that the offensive bar for a SS is very low. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2013 9:52:17 GMT -5
I don't understand the Marrero-bashing. He has shown very little evidence that he can hit. His line at Salem was not strong but it's been even worse from May onward, which doesn't show evidence of progress (maybe it was there but not in the numbers?) My hope is that he will remain competitive at the plate up the ladder and replicate his line from A ball in the majors some day - but that's not a leap of faith I'd bank on. Your hope (JBJ equivalent!?) is rather more ambitious it seems. This is still his first full year as a pro, so maybe he can make a leap forward next year. And yes, everyone already knows that the offensive bar for a SS is very low. Very little evidence that he can hit? A career .261/.349/.351 line is not great but it's not bad, either. This isn't Che-Hsuan Lin we're talking about, either-- Marrero's scouting reports have consistently been good or better. Just because a prospect slumps mid-season doesn't mean he isn't showing progress. He hit very well in the week or so before his promotion, for instance. Also: Deven Marrero, minor league career: 16.4% K, 11.5% BB, .090 ISO, 45/53 SB Jackie Bradley Jr., minor league career: 16.9% K, 14% BB, .182 ISO, 30/45 SB Yeah, Bradley walks more and hits for much more power, but Marrero's efficient basestealing and more valuable defensive position helps bridge the gap, at least a little. |
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